Excellent example Chris, thanks for taking the time to write that up. I
agree it would have had at least as much positive effect, and also
substantially less negative effect, than the original post.
One person's opinion might be especially worth considering: I wonder
whether the person whose name has been used as a subject line on a public
email list is pleased or displeased by the way it was brought up. I have
not talked to Rosie about this, but Gerard, it might be worthwhile for you
to ask her.
-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chris "Jethro" Schilling <
cschilling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Gerard,
Please don't fall back on the "ends justify the means" argument here.
There were many, many other ways to call attention to this problem. You
chose a way that was needlessly aggressive and accusatory. You didn't have
to. Here is how I would have done it with only minor changes to what you
wrote:
Hi folks,
At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The article for one
of
them and the data at Wikidata are somewhat lacking, and I think we can work
together to put them in better shape given the recognition they received.
The
article is a one liner stub, and the Wikidata item had no statements
and I added
the few that were minimally needed.
I've gotten started by adding some material, but any help would be
appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Jethro
PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it when they
get
some proper attention.
The results would have been the same, and perhaps you would have even
gotten more engagement and better content from folks watching this list.
- Jethro
Chris "Jethro" Schilling
I JethroBT (WMF) <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:I_JethroBT_(WMF)>
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On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi,
Maybe but both the article and the data have improved considerably.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 15:37, Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> I agree with Ziko.
>
> Gerard, please believe us, even if you don't perceive it yourself, that
> your aggressive language, however well-intentioned, is
counterproductive,
> > and is keeping others from engaging with you, or even engaging on the
> list
> > in general.
> >
> > A.
> > On Jun 30, 2016 4:22 PM, "Gerard Meijssen"
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
>
wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > Yes that is incorrect. There is a Wikipedia article, it is one line
> and I
> > > have the distinct feeling that it is incorrect.
> > > Thanks,
> > > GerardM
> > >
> > > On 30 June 2016 at 13:07, Joseph Fox <josephfoxwiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gerard, I feel like you are basically describing the role of the
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > Blog. Is that incorrect?
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 at 11:35 Gerard Meijssen <
> > gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
> > >
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hoi,
> > > > > Wikipedia is not my thing. I hardly ever write on articles. The
> > article
> > > > > states that Rosie wrote 1000 articles.. Hardly an argument why
she
> > > > became a
> > > > > Wikipedian of the year.
> > > > >
> > > > > The other aspect I give attention to is that we are REALLY bad
at
> > > doing a
> > > > > good job for our own. There is a lot that is uncontroversial
that
> can
> > > be
> > > > > added. It it the least that can be done to indicate why she is
a
> > > > Wikipedian
> > > > > of the year.
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > GerardM
> > > > >
> > > > > On 30 June 2016 at 12:05, Erik Zachte
<ezachte(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Gerard, feel free to follow-up on your call to action with
more
> > > action.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Erik Zachte
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:
> wikimedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org]
> > > On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:38
> > > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > > > > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hoi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The
> article
> > > for
> > > > > one
> > > > > > of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no
> > statements
> > > > and
> > > > > I
> > > > > > added the few that were minimally needed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even
when
> they
> > > are
> > > > > > obviously notable.
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > GerardM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would
welcome
it
when
> > they
> > > get some proper attention.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/06/wikipedia-wikipedian-of-year-ros…
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