Hoi,
At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The article for one of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic.
The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no statements and I added the few that were minimally needed.
I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even when they are obviously notable. Thanks, GerardM
PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it when they get some proper attention.
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/06/wikipedia-wikipedian-of-year-rosi...
Gerard, feel free to follow-up on your call to action with more action.
Erik Zachte
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:38 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
Hoi,
At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The article for one of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic.
The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no statements and I added the few that were minimally needed.
I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even when they are obviously notable. Thanks, GerardM
PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it when they get some proper attention.
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/06/wikipedia-wikipedian-of-year-rosi... _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Hoi, Wikipedia is not my thing. I hardly ever write on articles. The article states that Rosie wrote 1000 articles.. Hardly an argument why she became a Wikipedian of the year.
The other aspect I give attention to is that we are REALLY bad at doing a good job for our own. There is a lot that is uncontroversial that can be added. It it the least that can be done to indicate why she is a Wikipedian of the year. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 12:05, Erik Zachte ezachte@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gerard, feel free to follow-up on your call to action with more action.
Erik Zachte
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:38 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
Hoi,
At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The article for one of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic.
The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no statements and I added the few that were minimally needed.
I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even when they are obviously notable. Thanks, GerardM
PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it when they get some proper attention.
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Gerard, I feel like you are basically describing the role of the Wikimedia Blog. Is that incorrect?
Joe
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 at 11:35 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Wikipedia is not my thing. I hardly ever write on articles. The article states that Rosie wrote 1000 articles.. Hardly an argument why she became a Wikipedian of the year.
The other aspect I give attention to is that we are REALLY bad at doing a good job for our own. There is a lot that is uncontroversial that can be added. It it the least that can be done to indicate why she is a Wikipedian of the year. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 12:05, Erik Zachte ezachte@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gerard, feel free to follow-up on your call to action with more action.
Erik Zachte
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:38 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
Hoi,
At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The article for
one
of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic.
The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no statements and
I
added the few that were minimally needed.
I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even when they are obviously notable. Thanks, GerardM
PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it when
they
get some proper attention.
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/06/wikipedia-wikipedian-of-year-rosi...
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Hoi, Yes that is incorrect. There is a Wikipedia article, it is one line and I have the distinct feeling that it is incorrect. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 13:07, Joseph Fox josephfoxwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Gerard, I feel like you are basically describing the role of the Wikimedia Blog. Is that incorrect?
Joe
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 at 11:35 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Wikipedia is not my thing. I hardly ever write on articles. The article states that Rosie wrote 1000 articles.. Hardly an argument why she
became a
Wikipedian of the year.
The other aspect I give attention to is that we are REALLY bad at doing a good job for our own. There is a lot that is uncontroversial that can be added. It it the least that can be done to indicate why she is a
Wikipedian
of the year. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 12:05, Erik Zachte ezachte@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gerard, feel free to follow-up on your call to action with more action.
Erik Zachte
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:38 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
Hoi,
At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The article for
one
of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic.
The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no statements
and
I
added the few that were minimally needed.
I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even when they are obviously notable. Thanks, GerardM
PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it when
they
get some proper attention.
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/06/wikipedia-wikipedian-of-year-rosi...
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I agree with Ziko.
Gerard, please believe us, even if you don't perceive it yourself, that your aggressive language, however well-intentioned, is counterproductive, and is keeping others from engaging with you, or even engaging on the list in general.
A. On Jun 30, 2016 4:22 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Yes that is incorrect. There is a Wikipedia article, it is one line and I have the distinct feeling that it is incorrect. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 13:07, Joseph Fox josephfoxwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Gerard, I feel like you are basically describing the role of the
Wikimedia
Blog. Is that incorrect?
Joe
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 at 11:35 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Wikipedia is not my thing. I hardly ever write on articles. The article states that Rosie wrote 1000 articles.. Hardly an argument why she
became a
Wikipedian of the year.
The other aspect I give attention to is that we are REALLY bad at
doing a
good job for our own. There is a lot that is uncontroversial that can
be
added. It it the least that can be done to indicate why she is a
Wikipedian
of the year. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 12:05, Erik Zachte ezachte@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gerard, feel free to follow-up on your call to action with more
action.
Erik Zachte
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org]
On
Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:38 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
Hoi,
At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The article
for
one
of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic.
The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no statements
and
I
added the few that were minimally needed.
I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even when they
are
obviously notable. Thanks, GerardM
PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it when
they
get some proper attention.
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/06/wikipedia-wikipedian-of-year-rosi...
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Hoi, Maybe but both the article and the data have improved considerably. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 15:37, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
I agree with Ziko.
Gerard, please believe us, even if you don't perceive it yourself, that your aggressive language, however well-intentioned, is counterproductive, and is keeping others from engaging with you, or even engaging on the list in general.
A. On Jun 30, 2016 4:22 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Yes that is incorrect. There is a Wikipedia article, it is one line and I have the distinct feeling that it is incorrect. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 13:07, Joseph Fox josephfoxwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Gerard, I feel like you are basically describing the role of the
Wikimedia
Blog. Is that incorrect?
Joe
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 at 11:35 Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi, Wikipedia is not my thing. I hardly ever write on articles. The
article
states that Rosie wrote 1000 articles.. Hardly an argument why she
became a
Wikipedian of the year.
The other aspect I give attention to is that we are REALLY bad at
doing a
good job for our own. There is a lot that is uncontroversial that can
be
added. It it the least that can be done to indicate why she is a
Wikipedian
of the year. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 12:05, Erik Zachte ezachte@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gerard, feel free to follow-up on your call to action with more
action.
Erik Zachte
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org]
On
Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:38 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
Hoi,
At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The article
for
one
of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic.
The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no
statements
and
I
added the few that were minimally needed.
I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even when they
are
obviously notable. Thanks, GerardM
PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it
when
they
get some proper attention.
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/06/wikipedia-wikipedian-of-year-rosi...
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Gerard,
Please don't fall back on the "ends justify the means" argument here. There were many, many other ways to call attention to this problem. You chose a way that was needlessly aggressive and accusatory. You didn't have to. Here is how I would have done it with only minor changes to what you wrote:
Hi folks,
At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The article for one of them and the data at Wikidata are somewhat lacking, and I think we can work together to put them in better shape given the recognition they received. The article is a one liner stub, and the Wikidata item had no statements and I added the few that were minimally needed.
I've gotten started by adding some material, but any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Jethro
PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it when they get some proper attention.
The results would have been the same, and perhaps you would have even gotten more engagement and better content from folks watching this list.
- Jethro
Chris "Jethro" Schilling I JethroBT (WMF) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:I_JethroBT_(WMF) Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, Maybe but both the article and the data have improved considerably. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 15:37, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
I agree with Ziko.
Gerard, please believe us, even if you don't perceive it yourself, that your aggressive language, however well-intentioned, is counterproductive, and is keeping others from engaging with you, or even engaging on the
list
in general.
A. On Jun 30, 2016 4:22 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Yes that is incorrect. There is a Wikipedia article, it is one line
and I
have the distinct feeling that it is incorrect. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 13:07, Joseph Fox josephfoxwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Gerard, I feel like you are basically describing the role of the
Wikimedia
Blog. Is that incorrect?
Joe
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 at 11:35 Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi, Wikipedia is not my thing. I hardly ever write on articles. The
article
states that Rosie wrote 1000 articles.. Hardly an argument why she
became a
Wikipedian of the year.
The other aspect I give attention to is that we are REALLY bad at
doing a
good job for our own. There is a lot that is uncontroversial that
can
be
added. It it the least that can be done to indicate why she is a
Wikipedian
of the year. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 12:05, Erik Zachte ezachte@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Gerard, feel free to follow-up on your call to action with more
action.
Erik Zachte
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:
wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org]
On
Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:38 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
Hoi,
At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The
article
for
one
of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic.
The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no
statements
and
I
added the few that were minimally needed.
I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even when
they
are
obviously notable. Thanks, GerardM
PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it
when
they
get some proper attention.
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/06/wikipedia-wikipedian-of-year-rosi...
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Excellent example Chris, thanks for taking the time to write that up. I agree it would have had at least as much positive effect, and also substantially less negative effect, than the original post.
One person's opinion might be especially worth considering: I wonder whether the person whose name has been used as a subject line on a public email list is pleased or displeased by the way it was brought up. I have not talked to Rosie about this, but Gerard, it might be worthwhile for you to ask her.
-Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]]
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chris "Jethro" Schilling < cschilling@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Gerard,
Please don't fall back on the "ends justify the means" argument here. There were many, many other ways to call attention to this problem. You chose a way that was needlessly aggressive and accusatory. You didn't have to. Here is how I would have done it with only minor changes to what you wrote:
Hi folks,
At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The article for one of them and the data at Wikidata are somewhat lacking, and I think we can work together to put them in better shape given the recognition they received. The article is a one liner stub, and the Wikidata item had no statements and I added the few that were minimally needed.
I've gotten started by adding some material, but any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Jethro
PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it when they get some proper attention.
The results would have been the same, and perhaps you would have even gotten more engagement and better content from folks watching this list.
- Jethro
Chris "Jethro" Schilling I JethroBT (WMF) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:I_JethroBT_(WMF) Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, Maybe but both the article and the data have improved considerably. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 15:37, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
I agree with Ziko.
Gerard, please believe us, even if you don't perceive it yourself, that your aggressive language, however well-intentioned, is
counterproductive,
and is keeping others from engaging with you, or even engaging on the
list
in general.
A. On Jun 30, 2016 4:22 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Yes that is incorrect. There is a Wikipedia article, it is one line
and I
have the distinct feeling that it is incorrect. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 13:07, Joseph Fox josephfoxwiki@gmail.com
wrote:
Gerard, I feel like you are basically describing the role of the
Wikimedia
Blog. Is that incorrect?
Joe
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 at 11:35 Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi, Wikipedia is not my thing. I hardly ever write on articles. The
article
states that Rosie wrote 1000 articles.. Hardly an argument why
she
became a
Wikipedian of the year.
The other aspect I give attention to is that we are REALLY bad at
doing a
good job for our own. There is a lot that is uncontroversial that
can
be
added. It it the least that can be done to indicate why she is a
Wikipedian
of the year. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 June 2016 at 12:05, Erik Zachte ezachte@wikimedia.org
wrote:
> Gerard, feel free to follow-up on your call to action with more
action.
> > Erik Zachte > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:
wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org]
On
> Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:38 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight > > Hoi, > > At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The
article
for
one > of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic. > > The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no
statements
and
I > added the few that were minimally needed. > > I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even when
they
are
> obviously notable. > Thanks, > GerardM > > PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome
it
when
they > get some proper attention. > > >
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/06/wikipedia-wikipedian-of-year-rosi...
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Why?
Having public debates about the encyclopedic notability of your personal life, children and work, especially the obsessive determination some Wikipedians seem to have creating "controversy" sections, is not something that most people enjoy or are seeking when volunteering their time for public knowledge.
If you need to promote your personal blog, this may be better done on Twitter.
Fae On 30 Jun 2016 10:39, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The article for one of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic.
The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no statements and I added the few that were minimally needed.
I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even when they are obviously notable. Thanks, GerardM
PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it when they get some proper attention.
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Hello,
Honestly, I am rather unhappy with the wording: "The article for one of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic"
Obviously, someone took the time to make a start. Saying "it is pathetic" sounds like "you are / your work is pathetic". This is a good example how the wording of a comment affects the general atmosphere on wikis and on lists. Wouldn't it be better to say "can be improved" or "I'd wished to see more content"?
As long as short articles or minimum data sets are allowed.. personally I'd prefer a different approach on article creation and minimum standards, but that's a different discussion.
Kind regards Ziko
The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no statements and I added the few that were minimally needed.
I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even when they are obviously notable. Thanks, GerardM
PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it when they get some proper attention.
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