TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected till October 6, 2022.
Hello everyone!
I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition.
Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, qualities, and outcomes of good leadership.
There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, and comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and Movement Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org.
You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share your thoughts with us.
Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive leadership!
Cheers!
[1] Link to the draft definition on meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content
[2] Link to meta talk page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
[3] Link to the feedback form https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA
[4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404
[5] Link to the meta page of LDWG https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group
Dear Ivan,
I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is for, and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money collected under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep Wikipedia online – given that community feedback to this initiative to date seems to be largely negative.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here?
Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a while back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/...
To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to be pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying,
"Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!"
He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list where he posted.
It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words – but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the best navel-gazing tradition.
Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so if someone feels like enlightening me, please do!
Best, Andreas
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected till October 6, 2022.
Hello everyone!
I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition.
Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, qualities, and outcomes of good leadership.
There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, and comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and Movement Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org.
You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share your thoughts with us.
Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive leadership!
Cheers!
[1] Link to the draft definition on meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content
[2] Link to meta talk page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
[3] Link to the feedback form https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA
[4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404
[5] Link to the meta page of LDWG https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group
-- *Iván Martínez*
*Voluntario - Wikimedia México A.C.User:ProtoplasmaKid *
// Mis comunicaciones respecto a Wikipedia/Wikimedia pueden tener una moratoria en su atención debido a que es un voluntariado. // Ayuda a proteger a Wikipedia, dona ahora: https://donate.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/... To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
Hey Andreas!
Thank you for the thoughtful feedback. For context, I am a member of the LDWG, and a steward. We have two stews on the working group, a bunch of admins, and a bunch of affiliate organizers – it's an experientially diverse bunch.
I applied for the LDWG in part because I have concerns about the efficiency of future capacity-building models. Accepting that leadership development is a movement strategy goal and likely to be involved in future actions related to the Movement Charter, I want it to be as effective as possible. In more specific terms, not simply an outgrowth of the high cost-per-new-editor edit-a-thon model which leaves unclear long-term benefit and doesn't put sufficient effort into developing effective community facilitators or long-term resources for editor onboarding and mentorship.
The LDWG is not a stand-alone working group developing something no one will read, nor is it uninterested with the concerns of local editing communities. The plan we're working on will guide future capacity building activities on Wikimedia projects, and a good plan will positively affect the outcome of that capacity building.
I understand the concerns questioning the benefit of a definition of leadership. It is a first step of sorts; it's difficult to work towards fostering good Wikimedia leadership without defining good Wikimedia leadership, a relatively idiosyncratic type of leadership that falls much closer to facilitation and mentorship than actually setting goals or "leading" in the traditional sense. From this definition, we can overview existing capacity building activities, their effectiveness, possibilities for improvement, and develop a plan with concrete and actionable recommendations to ensure that donor money spent towards leadership development is money well spent.
This is an investment in process, not an investment in navel-gazing.
I hope this has helped alleviate some of your concerns.
Best regards, Rae
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ User:Vermont https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vermont on Wikimedia projects they/them/theirs (why pronouns matter https://www.mypronouns.org/what-and-why)
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 3:05 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Ivan,
I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is for, and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money collected under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep Wikipedia online – given that community feedback to this initiative to date seems to be largely negative.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here?
Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a while back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/...
To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to be pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying,
"Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!"
He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list where he posted.
It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words – but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the best navel-gazing tradition.
Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so if someone feels like enlightening me, please do!
Best, Andreas
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected till October 6, 2022.
Hello everyone!
I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition.
Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, qualities, and outcomes of good leadership.
There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, and comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and Movement Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org.
You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share your thoughts with us.
Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive leadership!
Cheers!
[1] Link to the draft definition on meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content
[2] Link to meta talk page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
[3] Link to the feedback form https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA
[4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404
[5] Link to the meta page of LDWG https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group
-- *Iván Martínez*
*Voluntario - Wikimedia México A.C.User:ProtoplasmaKid *
// Mis comunicaciones respecto a Wikipedia/Wikimedia pueden tener una moratoria en su atención debido a que es un voluntariado. // Ayuda a proteger a Wikipedia, dona ahora: https://donate.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/... To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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Hi Rae,
Thank you for taking the time to reply. It hasn't alleviated my concerns.
I am reminded of Alfred Korzybski, who stressed that "the word is not the thing", that "the map is not the territory".
If we want to adopt his distinction of map and territory, then I see this project as an effort focused on map making. Spending time and money to imagine and color in a map of the future can be fun, but it's not as important in my opinion as moving from A to B in the actual territory today.
The best way to arrive at a bright future is to focus on what needs to be done, or can be done, today – not on where we would like to be in two, three or ten years' time. If you consistently do your best to respond to the needs of the present, you build a strong future, step by step. Wikipedia grew organically. Now it seems to me we are needlessly straining.
Maps are of limited use when there is no movement. As Gnangarra said the other day here on this list, in what I thought was a very astute post, "strategy started 7 years ago and yet we still haven't even reached the implementation of anything."
To the extent that this characterisation is accurate – and the thread started by Samuel, which is well worth revisiting, had many people expressing similar ideas – it illustrates how investing energy into maps can actually divert energy from making progress on the ground. And progress has to happen in the territory, not the map, for the journey to be successful.
An "investment in process" is precisely what Samuel was talking about when he said: "Focus discussions on the decisions we need to resolve, not on process. ... What challenges do [we] need to resolve this year?"
Best, Andreas
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 8:49 PM Rae Adimer via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hey Andreas!
Thank you for the thoughtful feedback. For context, I am a member of the LDWG, and a steward. We have two stews on the working group, a bunch of admins, and a bunch of affiliate organizers – it's an experientially diverse bunch.
I applied for the LDWG in part because I have concerns about the efficiency of future capacity-building models. Accepting that leadership development is a movement strategy goal and likely to be involved in future actions related to the Movement Charter, I want it to be as effective as possible. In more specific terms, not simply an outgrowth of the high cost-per-new-editor edit-a-thon model which leaves unclear long-term benefit and doesn't put sufficient effort into developing effective community facilitators or long-term resources for editor onboarding and mentorship.
The LDWG is not a stand-alone working group developing something no one will read, nor is it uninterested with the concerns of local editing communities. The plan we're working on will guide future capacity building activities on Wikimedia projects, and a good plan will positively affect the outcome of that capacity building.
I understand the concerns questioning the benefit of a definition of leadership. It is a first step of sorts; it's difficult to work towards fostering good Wikimedia leadership without defining good Wikimedia leadership, a relatively idiosyncratic type of leadership that falls much closer to facilitation and mentorship than actually setting goals or "leading" in the traditional sense. From this definition, we can overview existing capacity building activities, their effectiveness, possibilities for improvement, and develop a plan with concrete and actionable recommendations to ensure that donor money spent towards leadership development is money well spent.
This is an investment in process, not an investment in navel-gazing.
I hope this has helped alleviate some of your concerns.
Best regards, Rae
User:Vermont <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vermont> on Wikimedia projects they/them/theirs (why pronouns matter <https://www.mypronouns.org/what-and-why>) On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 3:05 PM Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Ivan, > > I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is for, > and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money collected > under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep Wikipedia online – > given that community feedback to this initiative to date seems to be > largely negative. > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group > > It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we > spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here? > > Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a while > back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"? > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/7UVDBQTEWTR3ZNYLEP5TWAOVHF372OEL/#YRALVPPHAWMMATDUSUTZVBHG2CXOKAU6 > > To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to be > pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying, > > "Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is > defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours > – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out > people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and > 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems > to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!" > > He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list where > he posted. > > It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words – > but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public > enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the > best navel-gazing tradition. > > Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so if > someone feels like enlightening me, please do! > > Best, > Andreas > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez <galaver@gmail.com> wrote: > >> TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership >> Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share >> your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy >> Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at >> leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected >> till October 6, 2022. >> >> Hello everyone! >> >> I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] >> has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to >> nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working >> Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different >> communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform >> the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for >> community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written >> after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community >> perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and >> distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition. >> >> Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what >> you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general >> definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, >> qualities, and outcomes of good leadership. >> >> There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, and >> comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and Movement >> Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at >> leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. >> >> You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align >> with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the >> gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the >> draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all >> cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share >> your thoughts with us. >> >> Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive >> leadership! >> >> Cheers! >> >> [1] Link to the draft definition on meta >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content> >> >> [2] Link to meta talk page >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group> >> >> [3] Link to the feedback form <https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA> >> >> [4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post >> <https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404> >> >> [5] Link to the meta page of LDWG >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group> >> >> -- >> *Iván Martínez* >> >> *Voluntario - Wikimedia México A.C.User:ProtoplasmaKid * >> >> // Mis comunicaciones respecto a Wikipedia/Wikimedia pueden tener una >> moratoria en su atención debido a que es un voluntariado. >> // Ayuda a proteger a Wikipedia, dona ahora: >> https://donate.wikimedia.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HBXEEEEPUTHPIJBI5XAPB4ME4EE2O7LA/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/S2FBJGEJPMHYGAHTICQVAJZY3NLUSDJI/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/AWIR6VH7BMIEMXSGQRLJFPQ4WGZK4U2H/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
I, too, would appreciate such enlightenment, Cheers, Peter
From: Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen466@gmail.com] Sent: 16 September 2022 20:48 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback!
Dear Ivan,
I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is for, and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money collected under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep Wikipedia online – given that community feedback to this initiative to date seems to be largely negative.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here?
Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a while back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/...
To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to be pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying,
"Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!"
He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list where he posted.
It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words – but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the best navel-gazing tradition.
Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so if someone feels like enlightening me, please do!
Best,
Andreas
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected till October 6, 2022.
Hello everyone!
I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition.
Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, qualities, and outcomes of good leadership.
There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, and comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and Movement Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at mailto:leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org.
You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share your thoughts with us.
Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive leadership!
Cheers!
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content Link to the draft definition on meta
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group Link to meta talk page
[3] https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA Link to the feedback form
[4] https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404 Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post
[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group Link to the meta page of LDWG
Pertama-tama saya ingin mengucapkan terima kasih yang setinggi-tingginya kepada Kelompok Kerja Pembinaan Kepemimpinan yang telah menghasilkan definisi ini. Saya pikir ini satu langkah maju yang diperlukan untuk mendorong implementasi rekomendasi Strategi Gerakan mengenai penanaman modal dalam pembinaan keterampilan dan kepemimpinan.
Berkebalikan dengan respon-respon negatif yang diterima oleh prakarsa ini, saya rasa mendefinisikan bentuk kepemimpinan yang diperlukan oleh gerakan Wikimedia secara luas adalah sesuatu yang sudah semestinya kita miliki, sebagai sebuah gerakan antarabangsa yang memiliki jaringan dan struktur tata kelola yang rumit, saling terkait, dan mengandalkan waktu para sukarelawan yang berharga.
Diskusi mengenai pembinaan kepemimpinan terutama sekali bersifat mendesak untuk wilayah gerakan Wikimedia yang tidak pernah, atau kurang sekali, terwakili dalam tata kelola gerakan secara global. Saya berbicara tentang wilayah asal saya, rantau Asia Tenggara dan Pasifik, yang memiliki tingkat keberagaman proyek Wikimedia yang sangat tinggi, barangkali hanya dapat disaingi oleh beberapa wilayah lain dalam gerakan; organisasi-organisasi mitra lokal yang aktif; dan basis penyunting maupun pasar pembaca yang terus berkembang seiring dengan penetrasi Internet yang semakin mendalam. Meski wilayah ini memiliki status-status sedemikian, Wikimediawan/wati dari rantau Asia Tenggara tidak pernah ada yang berhasil duduk di Dewan Pengawas Yayasan Wikimedia, dan keterwakilan dari rantau ini sangat terbatas pada badan-badan tata kelola gerakan seperti Komite Afiliasi, Komite Bahasa, bahkan badan yang saat ini bertugas untuk merumuskan piagam gerakan. Hal ini tentu saja tidak dapat dijelaskan secara tunggal melalui "kecelakaan sejarah", tetapi akan jauh lebih mudah untuk melihatnya dari lensa kurangnya penanaman modal dan komitmen jangka panjang untuk urusan kepemimpinan ini.
Kerja-kerja ini tidak akan selesai dalam waktu dekat, dan tidak akan menghasilkan suatu hasil akhir yang dapat memuaskan seluruh pihak yang memiliki kepentingan dalam gerakan Wikimedia. Namun, apa yang dapat kita lakukan tentu saja adalah mencoba terlebih dahulu. Masalah-masalah seperti yang saya sebutkan di atas, dalam konteks rantau asal saya namun juga saya tahu terjadi pada beberapa wilayah lain, tidak akan selesai dengan saling menuding dan mempermasalahkan apakah kerja-kerja ini perlu dilakukan atau tidak.
Saya mengajak para Wikimediawan/wati yang memiliki perhatian khusus pada hal ini untuk turut serta membantu Kelompok Kerja dalam diskusi yang penting ini.
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 14:29 Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
I, too, would appreciate such enlightenment, Cheers, Peter
*From:* Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen466@gmail.com] *Sent:* 16 September 2022 20:48 *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback!
Dear Ivan,
I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is for, and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money collected under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep Wikipedia online – given that community feedback to this initiative to date seems to be largely negative.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here?
Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a while back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/...
To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to be pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying,
"Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!"
He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list where he posted.
It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words – but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the best navel-gazing tradition.
Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so if someone feels like enlightening me, please do!
Best,
Andreas
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected till October 6, 2022.
Hello everyone!
I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition.
Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, qualities, and outcomes of good leadership.
There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, and comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and Movement Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org.
You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share your thoughts with us.
Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive leadership!
Cheers!
[1] Link to the draft definition on meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content
[2] Link to meta talk page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
[3] Link to the feedback form https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA
[4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404
[5] Link to the meta page of LDWG https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group
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Dear Ramzy,
I wanted to acknowledge your eloquent post (for anyone who hasn't read it, please do – DeepL and Google Translation do a really decent job), and in particular your concern about the lack of representation of South East Asian communities in movement governance.
But I would also like to share one thought about the importance of leadership: it's that I think Wikimedians are not particularly keen on having leaders to follow. Projects like Wikipedia, Wiktionary and so on grew precisely because there *was* no leadership. They provided a space free of pre-imposed leadership.
This is what attracted people: you could do something, contribute something, without having to ask an authority figure for permission. People were *trusted*, not *led*.
This being so, I believe leadership is of limited value in terms of growing participation in line with this volunteer model.
Kind regards, Andreas
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:27 PM Ramzy Muliawan muhammadaramzy@gmail.com wrote:
Pertama-tama saya ingin mengucapkan terima kasih yang setinggi-tingginya kepada Kelompok Kerja Pembinaan Kepemimpinan yang telah menghasilkan definisi ini. Saya pikir ini satu langkah maju yang diperlukan untuk mendorong implementasi rekomendasi Strategi Gerakan mengenai penanaman modal dalam pembinaan keterampilan dan kepemimpinan.
Berkebalikan dengan respon-respon negatif yang diterima oleh prakarsa ini, saya rasa mendefinisikan bentuk kepemimpinan yang diperlukan oleh gerakan Wikimedia secara luas adalah sesuatu yang sudah semestinya kita miliki, sebagai sebuah gerakan antarabangsa yang memiliki jaringan dan struktur tata kelola yang rumit, saling terkait, dan mengandalkan waktu para sukarelawan yang berharga.
Diskusi mengenai pembinaan kepemimpinan terutama sekali bersifat mendesak untuk wilayah gerakan Wikimedia yang tidak pernah, atau kurang sekali, terwakili dalam tata kelola gerakan secara global. Saya berbicara tentang wilayah asal saya, rantau Asia Tenggara dan Pasifik, yang memiliki tingkat keberagaman proyek Wikimedia yang sangat tinggi, barangkali hanya dapat disaingi oleh beberapa wilayah lain dalam gerakan; organisasi-organisasi mitra lokal yang aktif; dan basis penyunting maupun pasar pembaca yang terus berkembang seiring dengan penetrasi Internet yang semakin mendalam. Meski wilayah ini memiliki status-status sedemikian, Wikimediawan/wati dari rantau Asia Tenggara tidak pernah ada yang berhasil duduk di Dewan Pengawas Yayasan Wikimedia, dan keterwakilan dari rantau ini sangat terbatas pada badan-badan tata kelola gerakan seperti Komite Afiliasi, Komite Bahasa, bahkan badan yang saat ini bertugas untuk merumuskan piagam gerakan. Hal ini tentu saja tidak dapat dijelaskan secara tunggal melalui "kecelakaan sejarah", tetapi akan jauh lebih mudah untuk melihatnya dari lensa kurangnya penanaman modal dan komitmen jangka panjang untuk urusan kepemimpinan ini.
Kerja-kerja ini tidak akan selesai dalam waktu dekat, dan tidak akan menghasilkan suatu hasil akhir yang dapat memuaskan seluruh pihak yang memiliki kepentingan dalam gerakan Wikimedia. Namun, apa yang dapat kita lakukan tentu saja adalah mencoba terlebih dahulu. Masalah-masalah seperti yang saya sebutkan di atas, dalam konteks rantau asal saya namun juga saya tahu terjadi pada beberapa wilayah lain, tidak akan selesai dengan saling menuding dan mempermasalahkan apakah kerja-kerja ini perlu dilakukan atau tidak.
Saya mengajak para Wikimediawan/wati yang memiliki perhatian khusus pada hal ini untuk turut serta membantu Kelompok Kerja dalam diskusi yang penting ini.
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 14:29 Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
I, too, would appreciate such enlightenment, Cheers, Peter
*From:* Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen466@gmail.com] *Sent:* 16 September 2022 20:48 *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback!
Dear Ivan,
I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is for, and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money collected under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep Wikipedia online – given that community feedback to this initiative to date seems to be largely negative.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here?
Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a while back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/...
To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to be pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying,
"Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!"
He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list where he posted.
It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words – but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the best navel-gazing tradition.
Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so if someone feels like enlightening me, please do!
Best,
Andreas
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected till October 6, 2022.
Hello everyone!
I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition.
Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, qualities, and outcomes of good leadership.
There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, and comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and Movement Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org.
You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share your thoughts with us.
Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive leadership!
Cheers!
[1] Link to the draft definition on meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content
[2] Link to meta talk page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
[3] Link to the feedback form https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA
[4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404
[5] Link to the meta page of LDWG https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group
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Hey Andreas,
On the topic of maps vs. territory...it's not beneficial to look at this from the perspective of the WMF being a single unitary entity with a switch that has to pick between planning and doing. This project is specifically to develop a leadership development plan that the Community Development team, a team which has some great people on it and a serious possibility for good in supporting volunteers, can use to do their work effectively. I'd much prefer that their plan be written by a diverse working group of volunteers from across affiliates and administrative roles, than for it to be made internally.
My point in my initial response was that the cost of this investment in process will provide significant benefit to the Community Development team's work over the next best option. Yes, this is not being implemented immediately, but given the fact that the Community Development team is tasked with working towards the "investing in skill and leadership development" Movement Strategy recommendation, and that successful implementation does require planning, this is the best possible way of going about that. If you have specific feedback about how we can improve our efficiency in this or content of the work so far, I (and the LDWG overall) am very much open to discussion, but disagreement over the Movement Strategy recommendation itself is not best in this venue. Personally, given my experiences in functionary roles watching and responding to project takeovers, hostile "leadership", etc. across Wikimedia communities, I am really happy that there is this push to invest in leadership resources for existing and future communities that, if we design it right, can do a lot of good.
As for pre-imposed leadership, that's not what this is about. In your initial comment you mentioned that there were tons of definitions out there for leadership, and in this comment you mention that Wikipedia does not like leadership. *That is why we made the definition.* Good Wikimedia leadership, to the extent that word is even applicable, is far closer to facilitation, mentorship, and resource-building than any idea of an actual thought leader or designator of tasks. This was not something unanimously agreed on in the working group, but it's something I tried (mostly successfully) to ensure was reflected in the draft definition. I see this not as an attempt to impose top-down leaders, but to guide the creation of resources for future community facilitators, admins, etc. who can promote the organic growth of Wikimedia communities in line with our movement's values.
Best regards, Rae
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ User:Vermont https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vermont on Wikimedia projects they/them/theirs (why pronouns matter https://www.mypronouns.org/what-and-why)
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 2:07 PM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Ramzy,
I wanted to acknowledge your eloquent post (for anyone who hasn't read it, please do – DeepL and Google Translation do a really decent job), and in particular your concern about the lack of representation of South East Asian communities in movement governance.
But I would also like to share one thought about the importance of leadership: it's that I think Wikimedians are not particularly keen on having leaders to follow. Projects like Wikipedia, Wiktionary and so on grew precisely because there *was* no leadership. They provided a space free of pre-imposed leadership.
This is what attracted people: you could do something, contribute something, without having to ask an authority figure for permission. People were *trusted*, not *led*.
This being so, I believe leadership is of limited value in terms of growing participation in line with this volunteer model.
Kind regards, Andreas
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:27 PM Ramzy Muliawan muhammadaramzy@gmail.com wrote:
Pertama-tama saya ingin mengucapkan terima kasih yang setinggi-tingginya kepada Kelompok Kerja Pembinaan Kepemimpinan yang telah menghasilkan definisi ini. Saya pikir ini satu langkah maju yang diperlukan untuk mendorong implementasi rekomendasi Strategi Gerakan mengenai penanaman modal dalam pembinaan keterampilan dan kepemimpinan.
Berkebalikan dengan respon-respon negatif yang diterima oleh prakarsa ini, saya rasa mendefinisikan bentuk kepemimpinan yang diperlukan oleh gerakan Wikimedia secara luas adalah sesuatu yang sudah semestinya kita miliki, sebagai sebuah gerakan antarabangsa yang memiliki jaringan dan struktur tata kelola yang rumit, saling terkait, dan mengandalkan waktu para sukarelawan yang berharga.
Diskusi mengenai pembinaan kepemimpinan terutama sekali bersifat mendesak untuk wilayah gerakan Wikimedia yang tidak pernah, atau kurang sekali, terwakili dalam tata kelola gerakan secara global. Saya berbicara tentang wilayah asal saya, rantau Asia Tenggara dan Pasifik, yang memiliki tingkat keberagaman proyek Wikimedia yang sangat tinggi, barangkali hanya dapat disaingi oleh beberapa wilayah lain dalam gerakan; organisasi-organisasi mitra lokal yang aktif; dan basis penyunting maupun pasar pembaca yang terus berkembang seiring dengan penetrasi Internet yang semakin mendalam. Meski wilayah ini memiliki status-status sedemikian, Wikimediawan/wati dari rantau Asia Tenggara tidak pernah ada yang berhasil duduk di Dewan Pengawas Yayasan Wikimedia, dan keterwakilan dari rantau ini sangat terbatas pada badan-badan tata kelola gerakan seperti Komite Afiliasi, Komite Bahasa, bahkan badan yang saat ini bertugas untuk merumuskan piagam gerakan. Hal ini tentu saja tidak dapat dijelaskan secara tunggal melalui "kecelakaan sejarah", tetapi akan jauh lebih mudah untuk melihatnya dari lensa kurangnya penanaman modal dan komitmen jangka panjang untuk urusan kepemimpinan ini.
Kerja-kerja ini tidak akan selesai dalam waktu dekat, dan tidak akan menghasilkan suatu hasil akhir yang dapat memuaskan seluruh pihak yang memiliki kepentingan dalam gerakan Wikimedia. Namun, apa yang dapat kita lakukan tentu saja adalah mencoba terlebih dahulu. Masalah-masalah seperti yang saya sebutkan di atas, dalam konteks rantau asal saya namun juga saya tahu terjadi pada beberapa wilayah lain, tidak akan selesai dengan saling menuding dan mempermasalahkan apakah kerja-kerja ini perlu dilakukan atau tidak.
Saya mengajak para Wikimediawan/wati yang memiliki perhatian khusus pada hal ini untuk turut serta membantu Kelompok Kerja dalam diskusi yang penting ini.
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 14:29 Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
I, too, would appreciate such enlightenment, Cheers, Peter
*From:* Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen466@gmail.com] *Sent:* 16 September 2022 20:48 *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback!
Dear Ivan,
I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is for, and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money collected under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep Wikipedia online – given that community feedback to this initiative to date seems to be largely negative.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here?
Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a while back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/...
To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to be pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying,
"Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!"
He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list where he posted.
It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words – but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the best navel-gazing tradition.
Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so if someone feels like enlightening me, please do!
Best,
Andreas
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected till October 6, 2022.
Hello everyone!
I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition.
Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, qualities, and outcomes of good leadership.
There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, and comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and Movement Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org.
You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share your thoughts with us.
Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive leadership!
Cheers!
[1] Link to the draft definition on meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content
[2] Link to meta talk page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
[3] Link to the feedback form https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA
[4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404
[5] Link to the meta page of LDWG https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group
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"* This project is specifically to develop a leadership development plan that the Community Development team, a team which has some great people on it and a serious possibility for good in supporting volunteers, can use to do their work effectively. *" - I'm a bit dismayed that we are using volunteer time in the name of the strategy process to provide a centralised WMF team with the knowledge they need to do their job. This is not what the 2030 strategy is about - it is a self-centred approach by a WMF team to stay relevant.
On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 19:38, Rae Adimer via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hey Andreas,
On the topic of maps vs. territory...it's not beneficial to look at this from the perspective of the WMF being a single unitary entity with a switch that has to pick between planning and doing. This project is specifically to develop a leadership development plan that the Community Development team, a team which has some great people on it and a serious possibility for good in supporting volunteers, can use to do their work effectively. I'd much prefer that their plan be written by a diverse working group of volunteers from across affiliates and administrative roles, than for it to be made internally.
My point in my initial response was that the cost of this investment in process will provide significant benefit to the Community Development team's work over the next best option. Yes, this is not being implemented immediately, but given the fact that the Community Development team is tasked with working towards the "investing in skill and leadership development" Movement Strategy recommendation, and that successful implementation does require planning, this is the best possible way of going about that. If you have specific feedback about how we can improve our efficiency in this or content of the work so far, I (and the LDWG overall) am very much open to discussion, but disagreement over the Movement Strategy recommendation itself is not best in this venue. Personally, given my experiences in functionary roles watching and responding to project takeovers, hostile "leadership", etc. across Wikimedia communities, I am really happy that there is this push to invest in leadership resources for existing and future communities that, if we design it right, can do a lot of good.
As for pre-imposed leadership, that's not what this is about. In your initial comment you mentioned that there were tons of definitions out there for leadership, and in this comment you mention that Wikipedia does not like leadership. *That is why we made the definition.* Good Wikimedia leadership, to the extent that word is even applicable, is far closer to facilitation, mentorship, and resource-building than any idea of an actual thought leader or designator of tasks. This was not something unanimously agreed on in the working group, but it's something I tried (mostly successfully) to ensure was reflected in the draft definition. I see this not as an attempt to impose top-down leaders, but to guide the creation of resources for future community facilitators, admins, etc. who can promote the organic growth of Wikimedia communities in line with our movement's values.
Best regards, Rae
User:Vermont <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vermont> on Wikimedia projects they/them/theirs (why pronouns matter <https://www.mypronouns.org/what-and-why>) On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 2:07 PM Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Ramzy, > > I wanted to acknowledge your eloquent post (for anyone who hasn't read > it, please do – DeepL and Google Translation do a really decent job), and > in particular your concern about the lack of representation of South East > Asian communities in movement governance. > > But I would also like to share one thought about the importance of > leadership: it's that I think Wikimedians are not particularly keen on > having leaders to follow. Projects like Wikipedia, Wiktionary and so on > grew precisely because there *was* no leadership. They provided a space > free of pre-imposed leadership. > > This is what attracted people: you could do something, contribute > something, without having to ask an authority figure for permission. People > were *trusted*, not *led*. > > This being so, I believe leadership is of limited value in terms of > growing participation in line with this volunteer model. > > Kind regards, > Andreas > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:27 PM Ramzy Muliawan <muhammadaramzy@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Pertama-tama saya ingin mengucapkan terima kasih yang setinggi-tingginya >> kepada Kelompok Kerja Pembinaan Kepemimpinan yang telah menghasilkan >> definisi ini. Saya pikir ini satu langkah maju yang diperlukan untuk >> mendorong implementasi rekomendasi Strategi Gerakan mengenai penanaman >> modal dalam pembinaan keterampilan dan kepemimpinan. >> >> Berkebalikan dengan respon-respon negatif yang diterima oleh prakarsa >> ini, saya rasa mendefinisikan bentuk kepemimpinan yang diperlukan oleh >> gerakan Wikimedia secara luas adalah sesuatu yang sudah semestinya kita >> miliki, sebagai sebuah gerakan antarabangsa yang memiliki jaringan dan >> struktur tata kelola yang rumit, saling terkait, dan mengandalkan waktu >> para sukarelawan yang berharga. >> >> Diskusi mengenai pembinaan kepemimpinan terutama sekali bersifat >> mendesak untuk wilayah gerakan Wikimedia yang tidak pernah, atau kurang >> sekali, terwakili dalam tata kelola gerakan secara global. Saya berbicara >> tentang wilayah asal saya, rantau Asia Tenggara dan Pasifik, yang memiliki >> tingkat keberagaman proyek Wikimedia yang sangat tinggi, barangkali hanya >> dapat disaingi oleh beberapa wilayah lain dalam gerakan; >> organisasi-organisasi mitra lokal yang aktif; dan basis penyunting maupun >> pasar pembaca yang terus berkembang seiring dengan penetrasi Internet yang >> semakin mendalam. Meski wilayah ini memiliki status-status sedemikian, >> Wikimediawan/wati dari rantau Asia Tenggara tidak pernah ada yang berhasil >> duduk di Dewan Pengawas Yayasan Wikimedia, dan keterwakilan dari rantau ini >> sangat terbatas pada badan-badan tata kelola gerakan seperti Komite >> Afiliasi, Komite Bahasa, bahkan badan yang saat ini bertugas untuk >> merumuskan piagam gerakan. Hal ini tentu saja tidak dapat dijelaskan secara >> tunggal melalui "kecelakaan sejarah", tetapi akan jauh lebih mudah untuk >> melihatnya dari lensa kurangnya penanaman modal dan komitmen jangka panjang >> untuk urusan kepemimpinan ini. >> >> Kerja-kerja ini tidak akan selesai dalam waktu dekat, dan tidak akan >> menghasilkan suatu hasil akhir yang dapat memuaskan seluruh pihak yang >> memiliki kepentingan dalam gerakan Wikimedia. Namun, apa yang dapat kita >> lakukan tentu saja adalah mencoba terlebih dahulu. Masalah-masalah seperti >> yang saya sebutkan di atas, dalam konteks rantau asal saya namun juga saya >> tahu terjadi pada beberapa wilayah lain, tidak akan selesai dengan saling >> menuding dan mempermasalahkan apakah kerja-kerja ini perlu dilakukan atau >> tidak. >> >> Saya mengajak para Wikimediawan/wati yang memiliki perhatian khusus pada >> hal ini untuk turut serta membantu Kelompok Kerja dalam diskusi yang >> penting ini. >> >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 14:29 Peter Southwood < >> peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote: >> >>> I, too, would appreciate such enlightenment, Cheers, Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen466@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* 16 September 2022 20:48 >>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List >>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Working Group is >>> ready for community feedback! >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Ivan, >>> >>> >>> >>> I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is >>> for, and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money >>> collected under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep >>> Wikipedia online – given that community feedback to this initiative to date >>> seems to be largely negative. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group >>> >>> >>> >>> It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we >>> spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here? >>> >>> >>> >>> Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a >>> while back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/7UVDBQTEWTR3ZNYLEP5TWAOVHF372OEL/#YRALVPPHAWMMATDUSUTZVBHG2CXOKAU6 >>> >>> >>> >>> To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to >>> be pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying, >>> >>> >>> >>> "Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is >>> defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours >>> – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out >>> people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and >>> 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems >>> to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!" >>> >>> >>> >>> He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list where >>> he posted. >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words – >>> but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public >>> enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the >>> best navel-gazing tradition. >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so >>> if someone feels like enlightening me, please do! >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Andreas >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez <galaver@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership >>> Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share >>> your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy >>> Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at >>> leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected >>> till October 6, 2022. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello everyone! >>> >>> >>> >>> I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] >>> has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to >>> nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working >>> Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different >>> communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform >>> the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for >>> community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written >>> after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community >>> perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and >>> distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what >>> you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general >>> definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, >>> qualities, and outcomes of good leadership. >>> >>> >>> >>> There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, >>> and comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and >>> Movement Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at >>> leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. >>> >>> >>> >>> You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align >>> with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the >>> gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the >>> draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all >>> cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share >>> your thoughts with us. >>> >>> >>> >>> Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive >>> leadership! >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> >>> >>> [1] Link to the draft definition on meta >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content> >>> >>> [2] Link to meta talk page >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group> >>> >>> [3] Link to the feedback form <https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA> >>> >>> [4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post >>> <https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404> >>> >>> >>> [5] Link to the meta page of LDWG >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Iván Martínez* >>> >>> *Voluntario - Wikimedia México A.C.User:ProtoplasmaKid * >>> >>> // Mis comunicaciones respecto a Wikipedia/Wikimedia pueden tener una >>> moratoria en su atención debido a que es un voluntariado. >>> // Ayuda a proteger a Wikipedia, dona ahora: >>> https://donate.wikimedia.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HBXEEEEPUTHPIJBI5XAPB4ME4EE2O7LA/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: width=] >>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >>> >>> Virus-free.www.avg.com >>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/XD6EN2N5EIXC22SHB5H3DSFLBBTZE2AY/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/VDQBBQ44DRPQPKS4ECQYNAZUACDKSDTH/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/QLI2KNLEXHORHVN4DGU2RGRNQR6YEGH7/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/L4PH6URBJVZV5PUT22OP5XFGABW4X6KM/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
On Sun, 18 Sept 2022 at 10:36, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
"* This project is specifically to develop a leadership development plan that the Community Development team, a team which has some great people on it and a serious possibility for good in supporting volunteers, can use to do their work effectively. *" - I'm a bit dismayed that we are using volunteer time in the name of the strategy process to provide a centralised WMF team with the knowledge they need to do their job. This is not what the 2030 strategy is about - it is a self-centred approach by a WMF team to stay relevant.
If you don't think it's a worthwhile time investment for you, then you can choose not to participate. If others do feel it's worthwhile, they can choose to participate. If nobody chooses to participate, then I'd say there's a lesson to be learnt about the relevance of the consultation, and whether it was worth pursuing.
I don't think we need to police the time of other volunteers. People can choose what to do.
Dan
It's not exactly volunteer time. According to the documentation on Meta-Wiki[1] each of the 16 listed working group members is appointed for one year, and receives a stipend of $600 per year for their participation (estimated at 5 hours per week).
I am surprised to see that the working group includes one member who is site-banned from the English Wikipedia. Their site ban, enacted by ArbCom in 2016, was due to a history of sockpuppeting, self-promotion, autobiographical editing, misrepresenting their professional qualifications, copyright infringements, misrepresentation of sources and introducing numerous errors into scientific articles.[2][3]
I would rather have seen that member apply for rehabilitation on the English Wikipedia first, before applying for and being given a role in a working group tasked with defining "good leadership" in the context of the Wikimedia movement.
Andreas
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Purpose...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28WMF%29#Should_the_WM... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Ca...
On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 12:05 PM Dan Garry (Deskana) djgwiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 18 Sept 2022 at 10:36, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
"* This project is specifically to develop a leadership development plan that the Community Development team, a team which has some great people on it and a serious possibility for good in supporting volunteers, can use to do their work effectively. *" - I'm a bit dismayed that we are using volunteer time in the name of the strategy process to provide a centralised WMF team with the knowledge they need to do their job. This is not what the 2030 strategy is about - it is a self-centred approach by a WMF team to stay relevant.
If you don't think it's a worthwhile time investment for you, then you can choose not to participate. If others do feel it's worthwhile, they can choose to participate. If nobody chooses to participate, then I'd say there's a lesson to be learnt about the relevance of the consultation, and whether it was worth pursuing.
I don't think we need to police the time of other volunteers. People can choose what to do.
working to provide a support system to help nurture and develop leaders within the volunteer community is valuable. We have a lot of long term leaders and there is room to make space for new ones, but with it comes an expectation that they follow certain already embedded culture norms. If the movement is going to transition to a true global movement then we also need to address those expectations to ensure continuity while expanding the range of skills and depth of cultural knowledge. This is something that was identified by the community during the strategy process.
I think the biggest issue is from saying 2030 over and over again as it has created a concept that we have until 2030 to do this. The reality is that these areas aren't even going to be operational by 2025 at which point someone is going to start a 2040 strategy. Half the current contributors were not even here in 2016 when this started, and over half have already left. Any effort to develop ways to enhance a person's skill set also enhances the retention of longer term contributors and more friends outside the movement is worth the resources being expended. Unfortunately the original dominant altruistic cohort has given way to the whats in it for me cohort, if we are to sustain our future we need to focus on the needs of the cohort we have.
On Sun, 18 Sept 2022 at 17:36, Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
"* This project is specifically to develop a leadership development plan that the Community Development team, a team which has some great people on it and a serious possibility for good in supporting volunteers, can use to do their work effectively. *" - I'm a bit dismayed that we are using volunteer time in the name of the strategy process to provide a centralised WMF team with the knowledge they need to do their job. This is not what the 2030 strategy is about - it is a self-centred approach by a WMF team to stay relevant.
On Sat, 17 Sept 2022 at 19:38, Rae Adimer via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hey Andreas,
On the topic of maps vs. territory...it's not beneficial to look at this from the perspective of the WMF being a single unitary entity with a switch that has to pick between planning and doing. This project is specifically to develop a leadership development plan that the Community Development team, a team which has some great people on it and a serious possibility for good in supporting volunteers, can use to do their work effectively. I'd much prefer that their plan be written by a diverse working group of volunteers from across affiliates and administrative roles, than for it to be made internally.
My point in my initial response was that the cost of this investment in process will provide significant benefit to the Community Development team's work over the next best option. Yes, this is not being implemented immediately, but given the fact that the Community Development team is tasked with working towards the "investing in skill and leadership development" Movement Strategy recommendation, and that successful implementation does require planning, this is the best possible way of going about that. If you have specific feedback about how we can improve our efficiency in this or content of the work so far, I (and the LDWG overall) am very much open to discussion, but disagreement over the Movement Strategy recommendation itself is not best in this venue. Personally, given my experiences in functionary roles watching and responding to project takeovers, hostile "leadership", etc. across Wikimedia communities, I am really happy that there is this push to invest in leadership resources for existing and future communities that, if we design it right, can do a lot of good.
As for pre-imposed leadership, that's not what this is about. In your initial comment you mentioned that there were tons of definitions out there for leadership, and in this comment you mention that Wikipedia does not like leadership. *That is why we made the definition.* Good Wikimedia leadership, to the extent that word is even applicable, is far closer to facilitation, mentorship, and resource-building than any idea of an actual thought leader or designator of tasks. This was not something unanimously agreed on in the working group, but it's something I tried (mostly successfully) to ensure was reflected in the draft definition. I see this not as an attempt to impose top-down leaders, but to guide the creation of resources for future community facilitators, admins, etc. who can promote the organic growth of Wikimedia communities in line with our movement's values.
Best regards, Rae
User:Vermont <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vermont> on Wikimedia projects they/them/theirs (why pronouns matter <https://www.mypronouns.org/what-and-why>) On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 2:07 PM Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Ramzy, > > I wanted to acknowledge your eloquent post (for anyone who hasn't read > it, please do – DeepL and Google Translation do a really decent job), and > in particular your concern about the lack of representation of South East > Asian communities in movement governance. > > But I would also like to share one thought about the importance of > leadership: it's that I think Wikimedians are not particularly keen on > having leaders to follow. Projects like Wikipedia, Wiktionary and so on > grew precisely because there *was* no leadership. They provided a space > free of pre-imposed leadership. > > This is what attracted people: you could do something, contribute > something, without having to ask an authority figure for permission. People > were *trusted*, not *led*. > > This being so, I believe leadership is of limited value in terms of > growing participation in line with this volunteer model. > > Kind regards, > Andreas > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:27 PM Ramzy Muliawan < > muhammadaramzy@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Pertama-tama saya ingin mengucapkan terima kasih yang >> setinggi-tingginya kepada Kelompok Kerja Pembinaan Kepemimpinan yang telah >> menghasilkan definisi ini. Saya pikir ini satu langkah maju yang diperlukan >> untuk mendorong implementasi rekomendasi Strategi Gerakan mengenai >> penanaman modal dalam pembinaan keterampilan dan kepemimpinan. >> >> Berkebalikan dengan respon-respon negatif yang diterima oleh prakarsa >> ini, saya rasa mendefinisikan bentuk kepemimpinan yang diperlukan oleh >> gerakan Wikimedia secara luas adalah sesuatu yang sudah semestinya kita >> miliki, sebagai sebuah gerakan antarabangsa yang memiliki jaringan dan >> struktur tata kelola yang rumit, saling terkait, dan mengandalkan waktu >> para sukarelawan yang berharga. >> >> Diskusi mengenai pembinaan kepemimpinan terutama sekali bersifat >> mendesak untuk wilayah gerakan Wikimedia yang tidak pernah, atau kurang >> sekali, terwakili dalam tata kelola gerakan secara global. Saya berbicara >> tentang wilayah asal saya, rantau Asia Tenggara dan Pasifik, yang memiliki >> tingkat keberagaman proyek Wikimedia yang sangat tinggi, barangkali hanya >> dapat disaingi oleh beberapa wilayah lain dalam gerakan; >> organisasi-organisasi mitra lokal yang aktif; dan basis penyunting maupun >> pasar pembaca yang terus berkembang seiring dengan penetrasi Internet yang >> semakin mendalam. Meski wilayah ini memiliki status-status sedemikian, >> Wikimediawan/wati dari rantau Asia Tenggara tidak pernah ada yang berhasil >> duduk di Dewan Pengawas Yayasan Wikimedia, dan keterwakilan dari rantau ini >> sangat terbatas pada badan-badan tata kelola gerakan seperti Komite >> Afiliasi, Komite Bahasa, bahkan badan yang saat ini bertugas untuk >> merumuskan piagam gerakan. Hal ini tentu saja tidak dapat dijelaskan secara >> tunggal melalui "kecelakaan sejarah", tetapi akan jauh lebih mudah untuk >> melihatnya dari lensa kurangnya penanaman modal dan komitmen jangka panjang >> untuk urusan kepemimpinan ini. >> >> Kerja-kerja ini tidak akan selesai dalam waktu dekat, dan tidak akan >> menghasilkan suatu hasil akhir yang dapat memuaskan seluruh pihak yang >> memiliki kepentingan dalam gerakan Wikimedia. Namun, apa yang dapat kita >> lakukan tentu saja adalah mencoba terlebih dahulu. Masalah-masalah seperti >> yang saya sebutkan di atas, dalam konteks rantau asal saya namun juga saya >> tahu terjadi pada beberapa wilayah lain, tidak akan selesai dengan saling >> menuding dan mempermasalahkan apakah kerja-kerja ini perlu dilakukan atau >> tidak. >> >> Saya mengajak para Wikimediawan/wati yang memiliki perhatian khusus >> pada hal ini untuk turut serta membantu Kelompok Kerja dalam diskusi yang >> penting ini. >> >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 14:29 Peter Southwood < >> peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote: >> >>> I, too, would appreciate such enlightenment, Cheers, Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen466@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* 16 September 2022 20:48 >>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List >>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Working Group is >>> ready for community feedback! >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Ivan, >>> >>> >>> >>> I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is >>> for, and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money >>> collected under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep >>> Wikipedia online – given that community feedback to this initiative to date >>> seems to be largely negative. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group >>> >>> >>> >>> It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we >>> spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here? >>> >>> >>> >>> Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a >>> while back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/7UVDBQTEWTR3ZNYLEP5TWAOVHF372OEL/#YRALVPPHAWMMATDUSUTZVBHG2CXOKAU6 >>> >>> >>> >>> To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to >>> be pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying, >>> >>> >>> >>> "Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is >>> defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours >>> – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out >>> people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and >>> 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems >>> to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!" >>> >>> >>> >>> He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list >>> where he posted. >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words >>> – but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public >>> enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the >>> best navel-gazing tradition. >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so >>> if someone feels like enlightening me, please do! >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Andreas >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez <galaver@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership >>> Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share >>> your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy >>> Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at >>> leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected >>> till October 6, 2022. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello everyone! >>> >>> >>> >>> I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] >>> has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to >>> nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working >>> Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different >>> communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform >>> the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for >>> community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written >>> after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community >>> perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and >>> distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what >>> you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general >>> definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, >>> qualities, and outcomes of good leadership. >>> >>> >>> >>> There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, >>> and comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and >>> Movement Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at >>> leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. >>> >>> >>> >>> You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align >>> with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the >>> gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the >>> draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all >>> cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share >>> your thoughts with us. >>> >>> >>> >>> Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive >>> leadership! >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> >>> >>> [1] Link to the draft definition on meta >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content> >>> >>> [2] Link to meta talk page >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group> >>> >>> [3] Link to the feedback form <https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA> >>> >>> [4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post >>> <https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404> >>> >>> >>> [5] Link to the meta page of LDWG >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Iván Martínez* >>> >>> *Voluntario - Wikimedia México A.C.User:ProtoplasmaKid * >>> >>> // Mis comunicaciones respecto a Wikipedia/Wikimedia pueden tener una >>> moratoria en su atención debido a que es un voluntariado. >>> // Ayuda a proteger a Wikipedia, dona ahora: >>> https://donate.wikimedia.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>> guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HBXEEEEPUTHPIJBI5XAPB4ME4EE2O7LA/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: width=] >>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >>> >>> Virus-free.www.avg.com >>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>> guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/XD6EN2N5EIXC22SHB5H3DSFLBBTZE2AY/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/VDQBBQ44DRPQPKS4ECQYNAZUACDKSDTH/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/QLI2KNLEXHORHVN4DGU2RGRNQR6YEGH7/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/L4PH6URBJVZV5PUT22OP5XFGABW4X6KM/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
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Andreas and Ramzy,
Thank you for sharing these perspectives.
I have a view that doesn't quite align with either of yours, and I am interested in what you think.
It seems to me that leadership is a quality that has always been important, if poorly defined, in the Wikipedia project. New users often need guidance in understanding Wikipedia's standards and how they apply, and subject matter experts often bring knowledge that helps guide those less familiar with a topic.
But I am entirely unconvinced that there is a worthwhile role for the Wikimedia Foundation to play in identifying or engaging with leaders. Leadership is a phenomenon that can occur without central guidance, and can often be invisible to those who are not directly involved.
Even if we concede that leadership is a valuable phenomenon, what is the purpose of trying to centralize leadership that occurs within the platform the WMF is tasked with sustaining, and of investing donors' dollars into that effort? What is the basis for believing that leadership will not occur if the Wikimedia Foundation does not guide how it happens?
-Pete -- Pete Forsyth [[User:Peteforsyth]]
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 10:07 AM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Ramzy,
I wanted to acknowledge your eloquent post (for anyone who hasn't read it, please do – DeepL and Google Translation do a really decent job), and in particular your concern about the lack of representation of South East Asian communities in movement governance.
But I would also like to share one thought about the importance of leadership: it's that I think Wikimedians are not particularly keen on having leaders to follow. Projects like Wikipedia, Wiktionary and so on grew precisely because there *was* no leadership. They provided a space free of pre-imposed leadership.
This is what attracted people: you could do something, contribute something, without having to ask an authority figure for permission. People were *trusted*, not *led*.
This being so, I believe leadership is of limited value in terms of growing participation in line with this volunteer model.
Kind regards, Andreas
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:27 PM Ramzy Muliawan muhammadaramzy@gmail.com wrote:
Pertama-tama saya ingin mengucapkan terima kasih yang setinggi-tingginya kepada Kelompok Kerja Pembinaan Kepemimpinan yang telah menghasilkan definisi ini. Saya pikir ini satu langkah maju yang diperlukan untuk mendorong implementasi rekomendasi Strategi Gerakan mengenai penanaman modal dalam pembinaan keterampilan dan kepemimpinan.
Berkebalikan dengan respon-respon negatif yang diterima oleh prakarsa ini, saya rasa mendefinisikan bentuk kepemimpinan yang diperlukan oleh gerakan Wikimedia secara luas adalah sesuatu yang sudah semestinya kita miliki, sebagai sebuah gerakan antarabangsa yang memiliki jaringan dan struktur tata kelola yang rumit, saling terkait, dan mengandalkan waktu para sukarelawan yang berharga.
Diskusi mengenai pembinaan kepemimpinan terutama sekali bersifat mendesak untuk wilayah gerakan Wikimedia yang tidak pernah, atau kurang sekali, terwakili dalam tata kelola gerakan secara global. Saya berbicara tentang wilayah asal saya, rantau Asia Tenggara dan Pasifik, yang memiliki tingkat keberagaman proyek Wikimedia yang sangat tinggi, barangkali hanya dapat disaingi oleh beberapa wilayah lain dalam gerakan; organisasi-organisasi mitra lokal yang aktif; dan basis penyunting maupun pasar pembaca yang terus berkembang seiring dengan penetrasi Internet yang semakin mendalam. Meski wilayah ini memiliki status-status sedemikian, Wikimediawan/wati dari rantau Asia Tenggara tidak pernah ada yang berhasil duduk di Dewan Pengawas Yayasan Wikimedia, dan keterwakilan dari rantau ini sangat terbatas pada badan-badan tata kelola gerakan seperti Komite Afiliasi, Komite Bahasa, bahkan badan yang saat ini bertugas untuk merumuskan piagam gerakan. Hal ini tentu saja tidak dapat dijelaskan secara tunggal melalui "kecelakaan sejarah", tetapi akan jauh lebih mudah untuk melihatnya dari lensa kurangnya penanaman modal dan komitmen jangka panjang untuk urusan kepemimpinan ini.
Kerja-kerja ini tidak akan selesai dalam waktu dekat, dan tidak akan menghasilkan suatu hasil akhir yang dapat memuaskan seluruh pihak yang memiliki kepentingan dalam gerakan Wikimedia. Namun, apa yang dapat kita lakukan tentu saja adalah mencoba terlebih dahulu. Masalah-masalah seperti yang saya sebutkan di atas, dalam konteks rantau asal saya namun juga saya tahu terjadi pada beberapa wilayah lain, tidak akan selesai dengan saling menuding dan mempermasalahkan apakah kerja-kerja ini perlu dilakukan atau tidak.
Saya mengajak para Wikimediawan/wati yang memiliki perhatian khusus pada hal ini untuk turut serta membantu Kelompok Kerja dalam diskusi yang penting ini.
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 14:29 Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
I, too, would appreciate such enlightenment, Cheers, Peter
*From:* Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen466@gmail.com] *Sent:* 16 September 2022 20:48 *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback!
Dear Ivan,
I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is for, and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money collected under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep Wikipedia online – given that community feedback to this initiative to date seems to be largely negative.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here?
Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a while back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/...
To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to be pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying,
"Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!"
He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list where he posted.
It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words – but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the best navel-gazing tradition.
Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so if someone feels like enlightening me, please do!
Best,
Andreas
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected till October 6, 2022.
Hello everyone!
I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition.
Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, qualities, and outcomes of good leadership.
There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, and comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and Movement Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org.
You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share your thoughts with us.
Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive leadership!
Cheers!
[1] Link to the draft definition on meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content
[2] Link to meta talk page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
[3] Link to the feedback form https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA
[4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404
[5] Link to the meta page of LDWG https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group
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Good leadership will arise without intervention from the WMF, Affiliates, and the many working groups. The advantage to the community as a whole is that with WMF involvement the WMF has a greater knowledge of the people in the community that can fulfill positions currently going to external contractors with no idea about the community or the projects with which they have been tasked to support. That has been one of the critical arenas for the WMF, their success in finding great people has been equally balanced by their lack of success in many cases. Its beneficial if this reduces the WMF failures.
On Mon, 19 Sept 2022 at 16:23, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
Andreas and Ramzy,
Thank you for sharing these perspectives.
I have a view that doesn't quite align with either of yours, and I am interested in what you think.
It seems to me that leadership is a quality that has always been important, if poorly defined, in the Wikipedia project. New users often need guidance in understanding Wikipedia's standards and how they apply, and subject matter experts often bring knowledge that helps guide those less familiar with a topic.
But I am entirely unconvinced that there is a worthwhile role for the Wikimedia Foundation to play in identifying or engaging with leaders. Leadership is a phenomenon that can occur without central guidance, and can often be invisible to those who are not directly involved.
Even if we concede that leadership is a valuable phenomenon, what is the purpose of trying to centralize leadership that occurs within the platform the WMF is tasked with sustaining, and of investing donors' dollars into that effort? What is the basis for believing that leadership will not occur if the Wikimedia Foundation does not guide how it happens?
-Pete
Pete Forsyth [[User:Peteforsyth]]
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 10:07 AM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Ramzy,
I wanted to acknowledge your eloquent post (for anyone who hasn't read it, please do – DeepL and Google Translation do a really decent job), and in particular your concern about the lack of representation of South East Asian communities in movement governance.
But I would also like to share one thought about the importance of leadership: it's that I think Wikimedians are not particularly keen on having leaders to follow. Projects like Wikipedia, Wiktionary and so on grew precisely because there *was* no leadership. They provided a space free of pre-imposed leadership.
This is what attracted people: you could do something, contribute something, without having to ask an authority figure for permission. People were *trusted*, not *led*.
This being so, I believe leadership is of limited value in terms of growing participation in line with this volunteer model.
Kind regards, Andreas
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:27 PM Ramzy Muliawan muhammadaramzy@gmail.com wrote:
Pertama-tama saya ingin mengucapkan terima kasih yang setinggi-tingginya kepada Kelompok Kerja Pembinaan Kepemimpinan yang telah menghasilkan definisi ini. Saya pikir ini satu langkah maju yang diperlukan untuk mendorong implementasi rekomendasi Strategi Gerakan mengenai penanaman modal dalam pembinaan keterampilan dan kepemimpinan.
Berkebalikan dengan respon-respon negatif yang diterima oleh prakarsa ini, saya rasa mendefinisikan bentuk kepemimpinan yang diperlukan oleh gerakan Wikimedia secara luas adalah sesuatu yang sudah semestinya kita miliki, sebagai sebuah gerakan antarabangsa yang memiliki jaringan dan struktur tata kelola yang rumit, saling terkait, dan mengandalkan waktu para sukarelawan yang berharga.
Diskusi mengenai pembinaan kepemimpinan terutama sekali bersifat mendesak untuk wilayah gerakan Wikimedia yang tidak pernah, atau kurang sekali, terwakili dalam tata kelola gerakan secara global. Saya berbicara tentang wilayah asal saya, rantau Asia Tenggara dan Pasifik, yang memiliki tingkat keberagaman proyek Wikimedia yang sangat tinggi, barangkali hanya dapat disaingi oleh beberapa wilayah lain dalam gerakan; organisasi-organisasi mitra lokal yang aktif; dan basis penyunting maupun pasar pembaca yang terus berkembang seiring dengan penetrasi Internet yang semakin mendalam. Meski wilayah ini memiliki status-status sedemikian, Wikimediawan/wati dari rantau Asia Tenggara tidak pernah ada yang berhasil duduk di Dewan Pengawas Yayasan Wikimedia, dan keterwakilan dari rantau ini sangat terbatas pada badan-badan tata kelola gerakan seperti Komite Afiliasi, Komite Bahasa, bahkan badan yang saat ini bertugas untuk merumuskan piagam gerakan. Hal ini tentu saja tidak dapat dijelaskan secara tunggal melalui "kecelakaan sejarah", tetapi akan jauh lebih mudah untuk melihatnya dari lensa kurangnya penanaman modal dan komitmen jangka panjang untuk urusan kepemimpinan ini.
Kerja-kerja ini tidak akan selesai dalam waktu dekat, dan tidak akan menghasilkan suatu hasil akhir yang dapat memuaskan seluruh pihak yang memiliki kepentingan dalam gerakan Wikimedia. Namun, apa yang dapat kita lakukan tentu saja adalah mencoba terlebih dahulu. Masalah-masalah seperti yang saya sebutkan di atas, dalam konteks rantau asal saya namun juga saya tahu terjadi pada beberapa wilayah lain, tidak akan selesai dengan saling menuding dan mempermasalahkan apakah kerja-kerja ini perlu dilakukan atau tidak.
Saya mengajak para Wikimediawan/wati yang memiliki perhatian khusus pada hal ini untuk turut serta membantu Kelompok Kerja dalam diskusi yang penting ini.
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 14:29 Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
I, too, would appreciate such enlightenment, Cheers, Peter
*From:* Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen466@gmail.com] *Sent:* 16 September 2022 20:48 *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback!
Dear Ivan,
I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is for, and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money collected under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep Wikipedia online – given that community feedback to this initiative to date seems to be largely negative.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here?
Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a while back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/...
To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to be pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying,
"Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!"
He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list where he posted.
It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words – but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the best navel-gazing tradition.
Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so if someone feels like enlightening me, please do!
Best,
Andreas
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected till October 6, 2022.
Hello everyone!
I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition.
Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, qualities, and outcomes of good leadership.
There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, and comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and Movement Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org.
You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share your thoughts with us.
Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive leadership!
Cheers!
[1] Link to the draft definition on meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content
[2] Link to meta talk page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
[3] Link to the feedback form https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA
[4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404
[5] Link to the meta page of LDWG https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group
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Pete,
Terima kasih atas pandangan Anda yang menarik. Peran Yayasan Wikimedia dalam jagat semesta wiki selalu menjadi suatu topik perbincangan yang menarik, dan tentu saja relevan dengan upaya yang sedang berlangsung untuk merumuskan peran dan tanggungjawab pemegang-pemegang kepentingan yang ada dalam gerakan kita melalui Piagam Gerakan.
Saya kurang sepakat dengan pandangan Anda bahwa ini merupakan satu upaya untuk memusatkan kerja-kerja pembinaan kepemimpinan pada Yayasan Wikimedia. Sependek pengetahuan saya, mandat Kelompok Kerja secara terang dijelaskan di sini https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group#2._The_longer_summary, yaitu untuk membangun infrastruktur yang diperlukan dalam kerja-kerja pembinaan kepemimpinan sembari menunggu haluan yang kelak ditetapkan dalam Piagam Gerakan dan nantinya akan diimplementasikan oleh Dewan Global. Penjelasan yang lebih rinci mengenai mandat dapat Anda baca di sini https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Purpose_and_Structure#2._What_will_the_working_group_do?. Dari apa yang dapat saya tangkap secara pribadi, mandat ini sudah jelas mengambil berat faktor akan adanya Piagam Gerakan dan suatu badan tata kelola global yang akan mengarahkannya -- tentunya, dalam hal ini, meliputi implementasi rekomendasi mengenai pembinaan kepemimpinan. Pertanyaan akan terjadinya sentralisasi atau tidak akan amat sangat bergantung bagaimana Piagam Gerakan nantinya menanggapi isu kepemimpinan ini; tentu saja, semua orang dalam gerakan Wikimedia akan memiliki kesempatan nantinya untuk memberi masukan, tanggapan, dan pandangan mengenai konten Piagam ini.
What is the basis for believing that leadership will not occur if the
Wikimedia Foundation does not guide how it happens?
Saya kira ini asumsi yang tidak berpijak pada realita yang terjadi di lapangan. Bahkan pada saat ini, komunitas dan kelompok Wikimedia *sudah mulai* mengerjakan implementasi rekomendasi Strategi Gerakan tentang hal ini. Anda dapat melihat daftar proyek terkait peningkatan keterampilan dan pembinaan kepemimpinan https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/ongoing-ms-funded-projects-around-recommendation-6-connecting-peers/1220 yang didanai melalui Hibah Pelaksanaan Strategi Gerakan dari Yayasan Wikimedia. Saya pribadi tidak melihat proyek-proyek ini sebagai sesuatu yang dimulai karena diarahkan untuk terjadi oleh Yayasan Wikimedia; alih-alih, ia terjadi secara organik dan berjalan serentak dengan kerja-kerja yang dilakukan oleh Kelompok Kerja Pembinaan Kepemimpinan pada saat ini. Saya tidak melihat adanya pertentangan antara keduanya; yang terjadi adalah terciptanya suatu kondisi yang saling mendukung, bermanfaat, dan membantu perkembangan satu sama lain.
Saya tertarik untuk mengetahui persepsi Anda secara lebih dalam.
Ramzy
Ramzy Muliawan https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:RamzyM
On Mon, 19 Sept 2022 at 15:23, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
Andreas and Ramzy,
Thank you for sharing these perspectives.
I have a view that doesn't quite align with either of yours, and I am interested in what you think.
It seems to me that leadership is a quality that has always been important, if poorly defined, in the Wikipedia project. New users often need guidance in understanding Wikipedia's standards and how they apply, and subject matter experts often bring knowledge that helps guide those less familiar with a topic.
But I am entirely unconvinced that there is a worthwhile role for the Wikimedia Foundation to play in identifying or engaging with leaders. Leadership is a phenomenon that can occur without central guidance, and can often be invisible to those who are not directly involved.
Even if we concede that leadership is a valuable phenomenon, what is the purpose of trying to centralize leadership that occurs within the platform the WMF is tasked with sustaining, and of investing donors' dollars into that effort? What is the basis for believing that leadership will not occur if the Wikimedia Foundation does not guide how it happens?
-Pete
Pete Forsyth [[User:Peteforsyth]]
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 10:07 AM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Ramzy,
I wanted to acknowledge your eloquent post (for anyone who hasn't read it, please do – DeepL and Google Translation do a really decent job), and in particular your concern about the lack of representation of South East Asian communities in movement governance.
But I would also like to share one thought about the importance of leadership: it's that I think Wikimedians are not particularly keen on having leaders to follow. Projects like Wikipedia, Wiktionary and so on grew precisely because there *was* no leadership. They provided a space free of pre-imposed leadership.
This is what attracted people: you could do something, contribute something, without having to ask an authority figure for permission. People were *trusted*, not *led*.
This being so, I believe leadership is of limited value in terms of growing participation in line with this volunteer model.
Kind regards, Andreas
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:27 PM Ramzy Muliawan muhammadaramzy@gmail.com wrote:
Pertama-tama saya ingin mengucapkan terima kasih yang setinggi-tingginya kepada Kelompok Kerja Pembinaan Kepemimpinan yang telah menghasilkan definisi ini. Saya pikir ini satu langkah maju yang diperlukan untuk mendorong implementasi rekomendasi Strategi Gerakan mengenai penanaman modal dalam pembinaan keterampilan dan kepemimpinan.
Berkebalikan dengan respon-respon negatif yang diterima oleh prakarsa ini, saya rasa mendefinisikan bentuk kepemimpinan yang diperlukan oleh gerakan Wikimedia secara luas adalah sesuatu yang sudah semestinya kita miliki, sebagai sebuah gerakan antarabangsa yang memiliki jaringan dan struktur tata kelola yang rumit, saling terkait, dan mengandalkan waktu para sukarelawan yang berharga.
Diskusi mengenai pembinaan kepemimpinan terutama sekali bersifat mendesak untuk wilayah gerakan Wikimedia yang tidak pernah, atau kurang sekali, terwakili dalam tata kelola gerakan secara global. Saya berbicara tentang wilayah asal saya, rantau Asia Tenggara dan Pasifik, yang memiliki tingkat keberagaman proyek Wikimedia yang sangat tinggi, barangkali hanya dapat disaingi oleh beberapa wilayah lain dalam gerakan; organisasi-organisasi mitra lokal yang aktif; dan basis penyunting maupun pasar pembaca yang terus berkembang seiring dengan penetrasi Internet yang semakin mendalam. Meski wilayah ini memiliki status-status sedemikian, Wikimediawan/wati dari rantau Asia Tenggara tidak pernah ada yang berhasil duduk di Dewan Pengawas Yayasan Wikimedia, dan keterwakilan dari rantau ini sangat terbatas pada badan-badan tata kelola gerakan seperti Komite Afiliasi, Komite Bahasa, bahkan badan yang saat ini bertugas untuk merumuskan piagam gerakan. Hal ini tentu saja tidak dapat dijelaskan secara tunggal melalui "kecelakaan sejarah", tetapi akan jauh lebih mudah untuk melihatnya dari lensa kurangnya penanaman modal dan komitmen jangka panjang untuk urusan kepemimpinan ini.
Kerja-kerja ini tidak akan selesai dalam waktu dekat, dan tidak akan menghasilkan suatu hasil akhir yang dapat memuaskan seluruh pihak yang memiliki kepentingan dalam gerakan Wikimedia. Namun, apa yang dapat kita lakukan tentu saja adalah mencoba terlebih dahulu. Masalah-masalah seperti yang saya sebutkan di atas, dalam konteks rantau asal saya namun juga saya tahu terjadi pada beberapa wilayah lain, tidak akan selesai dengan saling menuding dan mempermasalahkan apakah kerja-kerja ini perlu dilakukan atau tidak.
Saya mengajak para Wikimediawan/wati yang memiliki perhatian khusus pada hal ini untuk turut serta membantu Kelompok Kerja dalam diskusi yang penting ini.
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 14:29 Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
I, too, would appreciate such enlightenment, Cheers, Peter
*From:* Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen466@gmail.com] *Sent:* 16 September 2022 20:48 *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback!
Dear Ivan,
I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is for, and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money collected under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep Wikipedia online – given that community feedback to this initiative to date seems to be largely negative.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here?
Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a while back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/...
To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to be pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying,
"Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!"
He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list where he posted.
It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words – but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the best navel-gazing tradition.
Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so if someone feels like enlightening me, please do!
Best,
Andreas
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected till October 6, 2022.
Hello everyone!
I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition.
Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, qualities, and outcomes of good leadership.
There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, and comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and Movement Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org.
You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share your thoughts with us.
Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive leadership!
Cheers!
[1] Link to the draft definition on meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content
[2] Link to meta talk page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
[3] Link to the feedback form https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA
[4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404
[5] Link to the meta page of LDWG https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group
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I definitely acknowledge the need for our movement to better facilitate capacity development, which feeds into leadership qualities. For many years I have been part of various working groups and communities that have struggled to find volunteers that were willing to take up leadership roles and were at the same time also in possession of the skills and experience to do so. I have been encouraged to see some of that work take place over the past years, initiated both by some people at the WMF and some chapter officers through various pathways.
I'm somewhat struggling to see the use of these definitions in their current form, and the context in which they should be read. In that sense, I'm definitely nodding my head while reading the response from Braveheart: it's easy to read this as some centralist effort. At the same time, I'm trying to think through how I would expect our movement to address this alternatively, and that is still hard to wrap my head around. Maybe having a common vocabulary does help as a step in the direction of developing these qualities in our movement. It won't get us there, I agree, and any solutions will require more programs, more efforts and most of those will have to be volunteer driven and community supported to be effective in a meaningful way. If I read this list of bullet points as "these are the qualifications we value in Wikimedian leaders", the list makes quite some sense.
If we would contextualize this properly with some introduction of how people are expected to read this, and maybe some conversation guides, it could offer a starting point for a conversation among a community or working group to talk about their own shared leadership qualities, and what is lacking. It could then help us prioritize changing our workflows a bit (e.g. how can we become more decisive) or recruit someone to add those qualities. This context and understanding is severely lacking from the current text though - it feels like a lot of thought, effort and understanding went into this, and contextualizing it better may be a good way to ensure that the content actually has an impact. I'm not sure either what the next steps would be or how we could take such a list and help people develop some of these skills.
What would help me to contextualize this better would be answers to some of the following questions: # If you compare this to academic literature on the topic, how does this list contrast? What are the leadership qualities that Wikimedia communities, teams and groups look for but are not necessarily expected in business, academia or society? # Does this list of qualities has to manifest itself in a single person, or in the group as a whole? At what size (ballpark) does this kind of evaluation become relevant? # You describe some qualities you're looking for in leadership. What would the complement look like: a list of signals that can help you identify ineffective leadership. # Which of these traits are culturally determined, and which are universal? # What do you want the Wikimedia world to "do" with this list? What are the next steps that you have in mind? # What are you planning to do next?
Thanks for the work on this, but somehow it leaves me with more questions at this point than answers.
Best, Lodewijk
On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 1:54 AM Ramzy Muliawan muhammadaramzy@gmail.com wrote:
Pete,
Terima kasih atas pandangan Anda yang menarik. Peran Yayasan Wikimedia dalam jagat semesta wiki selalu menjadi suatu topik perbincangan yang menarik, dan tentu saja relevan dengan upaya yang sedang berlangsung untuk merumuskan peran dan tanggungjawab pemegang-pemegang kepentingan yang ada dalam gerakan kita melalui Piagam Gerakan.
Saya kurang sepakat dengan pandangan Anda bahwa ini merupakan satu upaya untuk memusatkan kerja-kerja pembinaan kepemimpinan pada Yayasan Wikimedia. Sependek pengetahuan saya, mandat Kelompok Kerja secara terang dijelaskan di sini https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group#2._The_longer_summary, yaitu untuk membangun infrastruktur yang diperlukan dalam kerja-kerja pembinaan kepemimpinan sembari menunggu haluan yang kelak ditetapkan dalam Piagam Gerakan dan nantinya akan diimplementasikan oleh Dewan Global. Penjelasan yang lebih rinci mengenai mandat dapat Anda baca di sini https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Purpose_and_Structure#2._What_will_the_working_group_do?. Dari apa yang dapat saya tangkap secara pribadi, mandat ini sudah jelas mengambil berat faktor akan adanya Piagam Gerakan dan suatu badan tata kelola global yang akan mengarahkannya -- tentunya, dalam hal ini, meliputi implementasi rekomendasi mengenai pembinaan kepemimpinan. Pertanyaan akan terjadinya sentralisasi atau tidak akan amat sangat bergantung bagaimana Piagam Gerakan nantinya menanggapi isu kepemimpinan ini; tentu saja, semua orang dalam gerakan Wikimedia akan memiliki kesempatan nantinya untuk memberi masukan, tanggapan, dan pandangan mengenai konten Piagam ini.
What is the basis for believing that leadership will not occur if the
Wikimedia Foundation does not guide how it happens?
Saya kira ini asumsi yang tidak berpijak pada realita yang terjadi di lapangan. Bahkan pada saat ini, komunitas dan kelompok Wikimedia *sudah mulai* mengerjakan implementasi rekomendasi Strategi Gerakan tentang hal ini. Anda dapat melihat daftar proyek terkait peningkatan keterampilan dan pembinaan kepemimpinan https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/ongoing-ms-funded-projects-around-recommendation-6-connecting-peers/1220 yang didanai melalui Hibah Pelaksanaan Strategi Gerakan dari Yayasan Wikimedia. Saya pribadi tidak melihat proyek-proyek ini sebagai sesuatu yang dimulai karena diarahkan untuk terjadi oleh Yayasan Wikimedia; alih-alih, ia terjadi secara organik dan berjalan serentak dengan kerja-kerja yang dilakukan oleh Kelompok Kerja Pembinaan Kepemimpinan pada saat ini. Saya tidak melihat adanya pertentangan antara keduanya; yang terjadi adalah terciptanya suatu kondisi yang saling mendukung, bermanfaat, dan membantu perkembangan satu sama lain.
Saya tertarik untuk mengetahui persepsi Anda secara lebih dalam.
Ramzy
Ramzy Muliawan https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:RamzyM
On Mon, 19 Sept 2022 at 15:23, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
Andreas and Ramzy,
Thank you for sharing these perspectives.
I have a view that doesn't quite align with either of yours, and I am interested in what you think.
It seems to me that leadership is a quality that has always been important, if poorly defined, in the Wikipedia project. New users often need guidance in understanding Wikipedia's standards and how they apply, and subject matter experts often bring knowledge that helps guide those less familiar with a topic.
But I am entirely unconvinced that there is a worthwhile role for the Wikimedia Foundation to play in identifying or engaging with leaders. Leadership is a phenomenon that can occur without central guidance, and can often be invisible to those who are not directly involved.
Even if we concede that leadership is a valuable phenomenon, what is the purpose of trying to centralize leadership that occurs within the platform the WMF is tasked with sustaining, and of investing donors' dollars into that effort? What is the basis for believing that leadership will not occur if the Wikimedia Foundation does not guide how it happens?
-Pete
Pete Forsyth [[User:Peteforsyth]]
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 10:07 AM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Ramzy,
I wanted to acknowledge your eloquent post (for anyone who hasn't read it, please do – DeepL and Google Translation do a really decent job), and in particular your concern about the lack of representation of South East Asian communities in movement governance.
But I would also like to share one thought about the importance of leadership: it's that I think Wikimedians are not particularly keen on having leaders to follow. Projects like Wikipedia, Wiktionary and so on grew precisely because there *was* no leadership. They provided a space free of pre-imposed leadership.
This is what attracted people: you could do something, contribute something, without having to ask an authority figure for permission. People were *trusted*, not *led*.
This being so, I believe leadership is of limited value in terms of growing participation in line with this volunteer model.
Kind regards, Andreas
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:27 PM Ramzy Muliawan < muhammadaramzy@gmail.com> wrote:
Pertama-tama saya ingin mengucapkan terima kasih yang setinggi-tingginya kepada Kelompok Kerja Pembinaan Kepemimpinan yang telah menghasilkan definisi ini. Saya pikir ini satu langkah maju yang diperlukan untuk mendorong implementasi rekomendasi Strategi Gerakan mengenai penanaman modal dalam pembinaan keterampilan dan kepemimpinan.
Berkebalikan dengan respon-respon negatif yang diterima oleh prakarsa ini, saya rasa mendefinisikan bentuk kepemimpinan yang diperlukan oleh gerakan Wikimedia secara luas adalah sesuatu yang sudah semestinya kita miliki, sebagai sebuah gerakan antarabangsa yang memiliki jaringan dan struktur tata kelola yang rumit, saling terkait, dan mengandalkan waktu para sukarelawan yang berharga.
Diskusi mengenai pembinaan kepemimpinan terutama sekali bersifat mendesak untuk wilayah gerakan Wikimedia yang tidak pernah, atau kurang sekali, terwakili dalam tata kelola gerakan secara global. Saya berbicara tentang wilayah asal saya, rantau Asia Tenggara dan Pasifik, yang memiliki tingkat keberagaman proyek Wikimedia yang sangat tinggi, barangkali hanya dapat disaingi oleh beberapa wilayah lain dalam gerakan; organisasi-organisasi mitra lokal yang aktif; dan basis penyunting maupun pasar pembaca yang terus berkembang seiring dengan penetrasi Internet yang semakin mendalam. Meski wilayah ini memiliki status-status sedemikian, Wikimediawan/wati dari rantau Asia Tenggara tidak pernah ada yang berhasil duduk di Dewan Pengawas Yayasan Wikimedia, dan keterwakilan dari rantau ini sangat terbatas pada badan-badan tata kelola gerakan seperti Komite Afiliasi, Komite Bahasa, bahkan badan yang saat ini bertugas untuk merumuskan piagam gerakan. Hal ini tentu saja tidak dapat dijelaskan secara tunggal melalui "kecelakaan sejarah", tetapi akan jauh lebih mudah untuk melihatnya dari lensa kurangnya penanaman modal dan komitmen jangka panjang untuk urusan kepemimpinan ini.
Kerja-kerja ini tidak akan selesai dalam waktu dekat, dan tidak akan menghasilkan suatu hasil akhir yang dapat memuaskan seluruh pihak yang memiliki kepentingan dalam gerakan Wikimedia. Namun, apa yang dapat kita lakukan tentu saja adalah mencoba terlebih dahulu. Masalah-masalah seperti yang saya sebutkan di atas, dalam konteks rantau asal saya namun juga saya tahu terjadi pada beberapa wilayah lain, tidak akan selesai dengan saling menuding dan mempermasalahkan apakah kerja-kerja ini perlu dilakukan atau tidak.
Saya mengajak para Wikimediawan/wati yang memiliki perhatian khusus pada hal ini untuk turut serta membantu Kelompok Kerja dalam diskusi yang penting ini.
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 14:29 Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
I, too, would appreciate such enlightenment, Cheers, Peter
*From:* Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen466@gmail.com] *Sent:* 16 September 2022 20:48 *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback!
Dear Ivan,
I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is for, and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money collected under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep Wikipedia online – given that community feedback to this initiative to date seems to be largely negative.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here?
Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a while back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/...
To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to be pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying,
"Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!"
He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list where he posted.
It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words – but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the best navel-gazing tradition.
Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so if someone feels like enlightening me, please do!
Best,
Andreas
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected till October 6, 2022.
Hello everyone!
I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition.
Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, qualities, and outcomes of good leadership.
There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, and comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and Movement Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org.
You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share your thoughts with us.
Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive leadership!
Cheers!
[1] Link to the draft definition on meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content
[2] Link to meta talk page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
[3] Link to the feedback form https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA
[4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404
[5] Link to the meta page of LDWG https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group
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I see the benefits in the definitions as a starting point from which to help develop materials to assist where possible the development of leadership. These types of assistance can be through learning days alongside regular events like Wikimania, the Summit as well as regional events. There are many benefits to the movement in helping someone isolated trying to build a community to have these learnings at hand and to have support to access their own growth especially in areas they may not have had much experience in.
I can say from experiencing the WMUK's training program in 2014 did help me push forward with outreach and supporting new members into taking on roles within the affiliates and elsewhere in the movement. Finding a way to help expand the community's resources, be it money, hardware, software, or volunteers and their skillset is one of the primary objectives of the WMF. Our only real concern is that we don't lose the imagination and creativity of the individual that has got us to where we are now.
On Wed, 21 Sept 2022 at 09:07, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
I definitely acknowledge the need for our movement to better facilitate capacity development, which feeds into leadership qualities. For many years I have been part of various working groups and communities that have struggled to find volunteers that were willing to take up leadership roles and were at the same time also in possession of the skills and experience to do so. I have been encouraged to see some of that work take place over the past years, initiated both by some people at the WMF and some chapter officers through various pathways.
I'm somewhat struggling to see the use of these definitions in their current form, and the context in which they should be read. In that sense, I'm definitely nodding my head while reading the response from Braveheart: it's easy to read this as some centralist effort. At the same time, I'm trying to think through how I would expect our movement to address this alternatively, and that is still hard to wrap my head around. Maybe having a common vocabulary does help as a step in the direction of developing these qualities in our movement. It won't get us there, I agree, and any solutions will require more programs, more efforts and most of those will have to be volunteer driven and community supported to be effective in a meaningful way. If I read this list of bullet points as "these are the qualifications we value in Wikimedian leaders", the list makes quite some sense.
If we would contextualize this properly with some introduction of how people are expected to read this, and maybe some conversation guides, it could offer a starting point for a conversation among a community or working group to talk about their own shared leadership qualities, and what is lacking. It could then help us prioritize changing our workflows a bit (e.g. how can we become more decisive) or recruit someone to add those qualities. This context and understanding is severely lacking from the current text though - it feels like a lot of thought, effort and understanding went into this, and contextualizing it better may be a good way to ensure that the content actually has an impact. I'm not sure either what the next steps would be or how we could take such a list and help people develop some of these skills.
What would help me to contextualize this better would be answers to some of the following questions: # If you compare this to academic literature on the topic, how does this list contrast? What are the leadership qualities that Wikimedia communities, teams and groups look for but are not necessarily expected in business, academia or society? # Does this list of qualities has to manifest itself in a single person, or in the group as a whole? At what size (ballpark) does this kind of evaluation become relevant? # You describe some qualities you're looking for in leadership. What would the complement look like: a list of signals that can help you identify ineffective leadership. # Which of these traits are culturally determined, and which are universal? # What do you want the Wikimedia world to "do" with this list? What are the next steps that you have in mind? # What are you planning to do next?
Thanks for the work on this, but somehow it leaves me with more questions at this point than answers.
Best, Lodewijk
On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 1:54 AM Ramzy Muliawan muhammadaramzy@gmail.com wrote:
Pete,
Terima kasih atas pandangan Anda yang menarik. Peran Yayasan Wikimedia dalam jagat semesta wiki selalu menjadi suatu topik perbincangan yang menarik, dan tentu saja relevan dengan upaya yang sedang berlangsung untuk merumuskan peran dan tanggungjawab pemegang-pemegang kepentingan yang ada dalam gerakan kita melalui Piagam Gerakan.
Saya kurang sepakat dengan pandangan Anda bahwa ini merupakan satu upaya untuk memusatkan kerja-kerja pembinaan kepemimpinan pada Yayasan Wikimedia. Sependek pengetahuan saya, mandat Kelompok Kerja secara terang dijelaskan di sini https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group#2._The_longer_summary, yaitu untuk membangun infrastruktur yang diperlukan dalam kerja-kerja pembinaan kepemimpinan sembari menunggu haluan yang kelak ditetapkan dalam Piagam Gerakan dan nantinya akan diimplementasikan oleh Dewan Global. Penjelasan yang lebih rinci mengenai mandat dapat Anda baca di sini https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Purpose_and_Structure#2._What_will_the_working_group_do?. Dari apa yang dapat saya tangkap secara pribadi, mandat ini sudah jelas mengambil berat faktor akan adanya Piagam Gerakan dan suatu badan tata kelola global yang akan mengarahkannya -- tentunya, dalam hal ini, meliputi implementasi rekomendasi mengenai pembinaan kepemimpinan. Pertanyaan akan terjadinya sentralisasi atau tidak akan amat sangat bergantung bagaimana Piagam Gerakan nantinya menanggapi isu kepemimpinan ini; tentu saja, semua orang dalam gerakan Wikimedia akan memiliki kesempatan nantinya untuk memberi masukan, tanggapan, dan pandangan mengenai konten Piagam ini.
What is the basis for believing that leadership will not occur if the
Wikimedia Foundation does not guide how it happens?
Saya kira ini asumsi yang tidak berpijak pada realita yang terjadi di lapangan. Bahkan pada saat ini, komunitas dan kelompok Wikimedia *sudah mulai* mengerjakan implementasi rekomendasi Strategi Gerakan tentang hal ini. Anda dapat melihat daftar proyek terkait peningkatan keterampilan dan pembinaan kepemimpinan https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/ongoing-ms-funded-projects-around-recommendation-6-connecting-peers/1220 yang didanai melalui Hibah Pelaksanaan Strategi Gerakan dari Yayasan Wikimedia. Saya pribadi tidak melihat proyek-proyek ini sebagai sesuatu yang dimulai karena diarahkan untuk terjadi oleh Yayasan Wikimedia; alih-alih, ia terjadi secara organik dan berjalan serentak dengan kerja-kerja yang dilakukan oleh Kelompok Kerja Pembinaan Kepemimpinan pada saat ini. Saya tidak melihat adanya pertentangan antara keduanya; yang terjadi adalah terciptanya suatu kondisi yang saling mendukung, bermanfaat, dan membantu perkembangan satu sama lain.
Saya tertarik untuk mengetahui persepsi Anda secara lebih dalam.
Ramzy
Ramzy Muliawan https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:RamzyM
On Mon, 19 Sept 2022 at 15:23, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
Andreas and Ramzy,
Thank you for sharing these perspectives.
I have a view that doesn't quite align with either of yours, and I am interested in what you think.
It seems to me that leadership is a quality that has always been important, if poorly defined, in the Wikipedia project. New users often need guidance in understanding Wikipedia's standards and how they apply, and subject matter experts often bring knowledge that helps guide those less familiar with a topic.
But I am entirely unconvinced that there is a worthwhile role for the Wikimedia Foundation to play in identifying or engaging with leaders. Leadership is a phenomenon that can occur without central guidance, and can often be invisible to those who are not directly involved.
Even if we concede that leadership is a valuable phenomenon, what is the purpose of trying to centralize leadership that occurs within the platform the WMF is tasked with sustaining, and of investing donors' dollars into that effort? What is the basis for believing that leadership will not occur if the Wikimedia Foundation does not guide how it happens?
-Pete
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On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 10:07 AM Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Ramzy,
I wanted to acknowledge your eloquent post (for anyone who hasn't read it, please do – DeepL and Google Translation do a really decent job), and in particular your concern about the lack of representation of South East Asian communities in movement governance.
But I would also like to share one thought about the importance of leadership: it's that I think Wikimedians are not particularly keen on having leaders to follow. Projects like Wikipedia, Wiktionary and so on grew precisely because there *was* no leadership. They provided a space free of pre-imposed leadership.
This is what attracted people: you could do something, contribute something, without having to ask an authority figure for permission. People were *trusted*, not *led*.
This being so, I believe leadership is of limited value in terms of growing participation in line with this volunteer model.
Kind regards, Andreas
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:27 PM Ramzy Muliawan < muhammadaramzy@gmail.com> wrote:
Pertama-tama saya ingin mengucapkan terima kasih yang setinggi-tingginya kepada Kelompok Kerja Pembinaan Kepemimpinan yang telah menghasilkan definisi ini. Saya pikir ini satu langkah maju yang diperlukan untuk mendorong implementasi rekomendasi Strategi Gerakan mengenai penanaman modal dalam pembinaan keterampilan dan kepemimpinan.
Berkebalikan dengan respon-respon negatif yang diterima oleh prakarsa ini, saya rasa mendefinisikan bentuk kepemimpinan yang diperlukan oleh gerakan Wikimedia secara luas adalah sesuatu yang sudah semestinya kita miliki, sebagai sebuah gerakan antarabangsa yang memiliki jaringan dan struktur tata kelola yang rumit, saling terkait, dan mengandalkan waktu para sukarelawan yang berharga.
Diskusi mengenai pembinaan kepemimpinan terutama sekali bersifat mendesak untuk wilayah gerakan Wikimedia yang tidak pernah, atau kurang sekali, terwakili dalam tata kelola gerakan secara global. Saya berbicara tentang wilayah asal saya, rantau Asia Tenggara dan Pasifik, yang memiliki tingkat keberagaman proyek Wikimedia yang sangat tinggi, barangkali hanya dapat disaingi oleh beberapa wilayah lain dalam gerakan; organisasi-organisasi mitra lokal yang aktif; dan basis penyunting maupun pasar pembaca yang terus berkembang seiring dengan penetrasi Internet yang semakin mendalam. Meski wilayah ini memiliki status-status sedemikian, Wikimediawan/wati dari rantau Asia Tenggara tidak pernah ada yang berhasil duduk di Dewan Pengawas Yayasan Wikimedia, dan keterwakilan dari rantau ini sangat terbatas pada badan-badan tata kelola gerakan seperti Komite Afiliasi, Komite Bahasa, bahkan badan yang saat ini bertugas untuk merumuskan piagam gerakan. Hal ini tentu saja tidak dapat dijelaskan secara tunggal melalui "kecelakaan sejarah", tetapi akan jauh lebih mudah untuk melihatnya dari lensa kurangnya penanaman modal dan komitmen jangka panjang untuk urusan kepemimpinan ini.
Kerja-kerja ini tidak akan selesai dalam waktu dekat, dan tidak akan menghasilkan suatu hasil akhir yang dapat memuaskan seluruh pihak yang memiliki kepentingan dalam gerakan Wikimedia. Namun, apa yang dapat kita lakukan tentu saja adalah mencoba terlebih dahulu. Masalah-masalah seperti yang saya sebutkan di atas, dalam konteks rantau asal saya namun juga saya tahu terjadi pada beberapa wilayah lain, tidak akan selesai dengan saling menuding dan mempermasalahkan apakah kerja-kerja ini perlu dilakukan atau tidak.
Saya mengajak para Wikimediawan/wati yang memiliki perhatian khusus pada hal ini untuk turut serta membantu Kelompok Kerja dalam diskusi yang penting ini.
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 14:29 Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
I, too, would appreciate such enlightenment, Cheers, Peter
*From:* Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen466@gmail.com] *Sent:* 16 September 2022 20:48 *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback!
Dear Ivan,
I am very sorry, but I honestly don't understand what any of this is for, and why the WMF is spending money on defining leadership – money collected under the pretence that money is urgently needed to keep Wikipedia online – given that community feedback to this initiative to date seems to be largely negative.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
It is not like the world lacks definitions of leadership. Aren't we spending donors' money to reinvent the wheel here?
Could I refer back to an interesting thread Samuel Klein started a while back, titled "Simplifying governance processes"?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/...
To me, at least, what Samuel and others said in that thread seemed to be pertinent to initiatives like this one. Samuel started by saying,
"Dear Board (and all), The growing complexity of governance efforts is defeating us. Process creep is an existential threat for projects like ours – it is self-perpetuating if not actively curtailed, as it filters out people who dislike excess process. There's a reason 'bureaucrats' and 'stewards' have unglamorous titles. Global governance in particular seems to be suffering from this now. Let's try to scale it back!"
He received no reply from the WMF, at least not here on this list where he posted.
It seems to me we are spending a great deal of money to produce words – but not words in Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource etc., that the public enjoys and finds valuable, but words on Meta talking about ourselves in the best navel-gazing tradition.
Now, maybe I have this all back to front and am simply clueless ... so if someone feels like enlightening me, please do!
Best,
Andreas
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:33 PM Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR: The draft leadership definition[1] prepared by the Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback! Please share your feedback on Meta[2], the feedback form[3] or the Movement Strategy Forum[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org. The feedback will be collected till October 6, 2022.
Hello everyone!
I hope you are aware that the Leadership Development Working Group[5] has been working over the past few months to formulate and find ways to nurture the leadership of our movement. The Leadership Development Working Group (LDWG) is a group of Wikimedia volunteers representing different communities, languages, roles, and experiences. We are pleased to inform the community that our draft definition of leadership is now available for community feedback. This first draft definition of leadership was written after months of discussion, learning, and sharing from our community perspective. The Wikimedia Movement, which is by nature diverse and distinctive in its own way, is expressly addressed by this definition.
Please consider going through the definition and letting us know what you think by October 6, 2022. The draft definition includes a general definition of leadership and subcategories that elaborate on the actions, qualities, and outcomes of good leadership.
There are many places where you can express your ideas, suggestions, and comments, such as the meta talk page[2], the feedback form[3], and Movement Strategy Forum Post[4]. You can also directly mail us at leadershipworkinggroup@wikimedia.org.
You can check if the general definition, and the subcategories align with your idea of leadership in the movement. You can also try finding the gaps, maybe some qualities of a leader or anything else are missing in the draft definition or you can check if the definition applies to all cultural, linguistic, community or other contexts of the movement and share your thoughts with us.
Together, let's celebrate the movement's diverse and distinctive leadership!
Cheers!
[1] Link to the draft definition on meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group/Content
[2] Link to meta talk page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leadership_Development_Working_Group
[3] Link to the feedback form https://forms.gle/o7a4FYV8ZkisJF3KA
[4] Link to the Movement Strategy Forum post https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/leadership-development-working-group/1404
[5] Link to the meta page of LDWG https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leadership_Development_Working_Group
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