Gergő Tisza wrote: The subject-space and talk pages have literally hundreds of edits by user names marked with "WMF". Describing this effort as a volunteer initiative is at least misleading, given this context. http://vs.aka-online.de/cgi-bin/wppagehiststat.pl?lang=www.mediawiki&pa… ode+of+Conduct http://vs.aka-online.de/cgi-bin/wppagehiststat.pl?lang=www.mediawiki&pa… alk:Code+of+Conduct MZMcBride

Attempting to summon Chris Schilling over here from the other thread. (: I think that some kind of analysis about optimal use of consultations and surveys would be beneficial, and I'd welcome seeing something like that in the next Annual Plan. Perhaps there might even be a consultation or survey about consultations or surveys, which I know sounds ironic but may be helpful in figuring out how much is too much or too little, timing, locations, etc. Information management is a big deal. We have watchlists, email, social media channels, Echo, and lots of other tools, but even so -- or perhaps because -- there are so many channels, it's easy to drown. I imagine that holds true for both staff and community members, and I'd welcome some initiatives to improve the situation. Perhaps someone will have some ideas that they can submit to IdeaLab. Pine

Might it be useful to analyse the community before trying to get communication out of them? Then efforts can be directed to be more representative of the various parts. OK, I understand that to analyse them it needs some communication. But that is a specific and directed communication. Work out what might be useful to know and ask everyone. Put a survey link on talk page for logged in users, and a banner for IP users. We get this anyway for fundraising. Before going full scale, test the survey on a small group, to find out what is wrong with it, fix the worst problems, and be sure to allow comments and feedback. Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Lodewijk Sent: Monday, 20 March 2017 11:04 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Communicating plans and consultations Hi Pine, it's always easier of course to tell other people what they have to change, which is why I'm asking the opposite question too :) What can we change, on our end, to make communications easier for the WMF, for community members that want to reach out, for chapters and other affiliates. All these are having a hard time to get useful input from the community. There seem very few generally accepted approaches to that: - using some mailing list, or some kind of forum that serves a part of the community you think would be most relevant (such as this mailing list, the wikitech mailing list etc). - Going all out and doing a full scale consultation/RfC with banners and everything. Gives you lots of comments. - Doing a broad and translated approach through village pumps etc - gives you a broad reach over languages, but within those languages still reaches a specific part of the community. Those methods are typically either very expensive, or not very effective. And I'm only talking about getting input here, not even about 'informing' everyone. So what can we, as a community, change to facilitate better exchange of ideas, experiences and provide input? Best Lodewijk PS: I apologize to the people who read this kind of email for the n'th time, it's not the first time I talk about this, I guess :) 2017-03-20 7:40 GMT+01:00 Pine W &lt;wiki.pine(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.8007 / Virus Database: 4756/14149 - Release Date: 03/20/17

All surveys should have a feedback option at the end, That lets people comment on what was right or more often what was wrong with the survey. There is almost always something wrong with the questions and options for answers, which is annoying and frustrating as you know that the results will be distorted and there is no way of letting the surveyors know what the problems are. A lot of feedback will be a load of rubbish too, but there will usually be something to learn from it. This also combines survey and consultation to some extent. Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W Sent: Monday, 20 March 2017 8:40 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Chris Schilling Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Communicating plans and consultations Attempting to summon Chris Schilling over here from the other thread. (: I think that some kind of analysis about optimal use of consultations and surveys would be beneficial, and I'd welcome seeing something like that in the next Annual Plan. Perhaps there might even be a consultation or survey about consultations or surveys, which I know sounds ironic but may be helpful in figuring out how much is too much or too little, timing, locations, etc. Information management is a big deal. We have watchlists, email, social media channels, Echo, and lots of other tools, but even so -- or perhaps because -- there are so many channels, it's easy to drown. I imagine that holds true for both staff and community members, and I'd welcome some initiatives to improve the situation. Perhaps someone will have some ideas that they can submit to IdeaLab. Pine _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.8007 / Virus Database: 4756/14149 - Release Date: 03/20/17

Hi Chris, Thanks for the comments. Would you and Edward be willing to meet with me (and anyone else who might be interested, such as Lodewijk as well as someone from WMF Communications) to discuss the current situation and brainstorm ideas about how to improve it? We could set up a meeting off-list. Anyone else who wants to participate would be welcome to email me/us privately to be included in the meeting. After we meet we can come back to this list with our notes from the meeting and suggestions for future actions, possibly including a survey and/or consultation about mass communications and information management. In terms of scheduling, the earliest that I can realistically schedule a meeting is in April, so we might be looking at May or June for the timeframe in which we might come back to this list with notes about future directions. Thanks, Pine On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Chris "Jethro" Schilling < cschilling(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: