Hello,
Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are insuficient to cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants was 36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR.
I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just giving breadcrumbs to the community, and the community has to suffer in silence about this stinginess. What can we do as a community to request with a clear voice the funds that we need?
Why are there two standards? One standard seems to be that everything that the WMF needs to allocate can go unsupervised, whereas another standard seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so supervised that it becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big.
The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think that in the grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts compared to the money that the WMF has collected from donors.
If things have to be done well, then the community has every right to claim the money from the donors. The WMF has no right to appropriate that money and use it as a hammer to sabotage events that could have a real impact like the Wikidata Conference.
I request that the amount of funds allocated for grants to be increased from 36,000 eur to 72,000 eur, and this is an informed request that I perform both as a community member and as a member of the Wikidata Conference Grants Committee.
The link to my complaint can be found here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:Conference/WMDE/WikidataCon#Comp...
The link to the Wikidata Conference Grants Commitee can be found here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Volunteer/Scholarshi...
I hope to have some feedback about this complaint. Thank you, Micru
hi David,
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are insuficient to cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants was 36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR.
You realize that this is pretty much what an annual budget of a small Wikimedia chapter is, right?
I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just giving breadcrumbs to the community, and the community has to suffer in silence about this stinginess.
The WMF, just as the movement, has a responsibility to our donors, to spend the money wisely and frugally. We surely do not always do so, but we try.
Why are there two standards? One standard seems to be that everything that
the WMF needs to allocate can go unsupervised, whereas another standard
seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so supervised that it becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big.
The WMF's spending is actually reviewed and commented on by the community and the FDC.
The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think that in the grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts compared to the money that the WMF has collected from donors.
I believe we have a responsibility to treat our donor's contributions with respect and care. I don't think that 70k Euro is peanuts, and rarely you will find any foundation or NGO considering such an amount to be insignificant.
best,
dariusz
Hola David.
Hasta donde entendí está escrito en la subvención solicitada un total de 36 000 euros, y el resto iba a ser cubierto por fondos que provienen de WMDE. ¿No es así?. Como voluntario del Comité de Subvenciones a Conferencias, quedo pendiente y en consideración de tú comentario.
Saludos,
2017-06-28 13:02 GMT-05:00 Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl:
hi David,
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are insuficient
to
cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants was 36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR.
You realize that this is pretty much what an annual budget of a small Wikimedia chapter is, right?
I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just giving breadcrumbs to the community, and the community has to suffer in silence about this stinginess.
The WMF, just as the movement, has a responsibility to our donors, to spend the money wisely and frugally. We surely do not always do so, but we try.
Why are there two standards? One standard seems to be that everything
that
the WMF needs to allocate can go unsupervised, whereas another standard
seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so supervised that it becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big.
The WMF's spending is actually reviewed and commented on by the community and the FDC.
The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think that in the grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts
compared
to the money that the WMF has collected from donors.
I believe we have a responsibility to treat our donor's contributions with respect and care. I don't think that 70k Euro is peanuts, and rarely you will find any foundation or NGO considering such an amount to be insignificant.
best,
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no comprendo!
Le 28 juin 2017 à 20:09, Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com a écrit :
Hola David.
Hasta donde entendí está escrito en la subvención solicitada un total de 36 000 euros, y el resto iba a ser cubierto por fondos que provienen de WMDE. ¿No es así?. Como voluntario del Comité de Subvenciones a Conferencias, quedo pendiente y en consideración de tú comentario.
Saludos,
2017-06-28 13:02 GMT-05:00 Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl:
hi David,
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are insuficient
to
cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants was 36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR.
You realize that this is pretty much what an annual budget of a small Wikimedia chapter is, right?
I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just giving breadcrumbs to the community, and the community has to suffer in silence about this stinginess.
The WMF, just as the movement, has a responsibility to our donors, to spend the money wisely and frugally. We surely do not always do so, but we try.
Why are there two standards? One standard seems to be that everything
that
the WMF needs to allocate can go unsupervised, whereas another standard
seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so supervised that it becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big.
The WMF's spending is actually reviewed and commented on by the community and the FDC.
The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think that in the grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts
compared
to the money that the WMF has collected from donors.
I believe we have a responsibility to treat our donor's contributions with respect and care. I don't think that 70k Euro is peanuts, and rarely you will find any foundation or NGO considering such an amount to be insignificant.
best,
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Hola Ivan,
Así es, la idea es que la WMF pague las becas de viaje para la gente que no se lo puede permitir, y el resto de la conferencia lo pagaría la WMDE.
En este caso la cantidad para la bolsa de viaje me parece demasiada baja para hacer que este evento (la primera vez que se realiza) funcione adecuadamente.
Saludos, David
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
Hola David.
Hasta donde entendí está escrito en la subvención solicitada un total de 36 000 euros, y el resto iba a ser cubierto por fondos que provienen de WMDE. ¿No es así?. Como voluntario del Comité de Subvenciones a Conferencias, quedo pendiente y en consideración de tú comentario.
Saludos,
2017-06-28 13:02 GMT-05:00 Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl:
hi David,
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are insuficient
to
cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants was 36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR.
You realize that this is pretty much what an annual budget of a small Wikimedia chapter is, right?
I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just
giving
breadcrumbs to the community, and the community has to suffer in
silence
about this stinginess.
The WMF, just as the movement, has a responsibility to our donors, to
spend
the money wisely and frugally. We surely do not always do so, but we try.
Why are there two standards? One standard seems to be that everything
that
the WMF needs to allocate can go unsupervised, whereas another standard
seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so
supervised
that it becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big.
The WMF's spending is actually reviewed and commented on by the community and the FDC.
The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think
that
in the grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts
compared
to the money that the WMF has collected from donors.
I believe we have a responsibility to treat our donor's contributions
with
respect and care. I don't think that 70k Euro is peanuts, and rarely you will find any foundation or NGO considering such an amount to be insignificant.
best,
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David Cuenca Tudela,
Looking at the proposed grant you only asked for 36000, you get that, then you decided that the WMF is being greedy and you now want more money. If you need 72,000 should not your initial request realized that and adjusted the requesting amount accordingly? I will also note that the WMF is fairly careful on how they send their money because they are accountable for how its used. Honestly if I had someone coming to me with a estimated price tag, only to come back fairly quickly with an updated cost of almost double I would question the persons competence and re-asses the initial decision to support them.
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:41 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Hola Ivan,
Así es, la idea es que la WMF pague las becas de viaje para la gente que no se lo puede permitir, y el resto de la conferencia lo pagaría la WMDE.
En este caso la cantidad para la bolsa de viaje me parece demasiada baja para hacer que este evento (la primera vez que se realiza) funcione adecuadamente.
Saludos, David
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
Hola David.
Hasta donde entendí está escrito en la subvención solicitada un total de
36
000 euros, y el resto iba a ser cubierto por fondos que provienen de
WMDE.
¿No es así?. Como voluntario del Comité de Subvenciones a Conferencias, quedo pendiente y en consideración de tú comentario.
Saludos,
2017-06-28 13:02 GMT-05:00 Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl:
hi David,
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela <
dacuetu@gmail.com>
wrote:
Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are
insuficient
to
cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants
was
36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR.
You realize that this is pretty much what an annual budget of a small Wikimedia chapter is, right?
I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just
giving
breadcrumbs to the community, and the community has to suffer in
silence
about this stinginess.
The WMF, just as the movement, has a responsibility to our donors, to
spend
the money wisely and frugally. We surely do not always do so, but we
try.
Why are there two standards? One standard seems to be that everything
that
the WMF needs to allocate can go unsupervised, whereas another standard
seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so
supervised
that it becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big.
The WMF's spending is actually reviewed and commented on by the
community
and the FDC.
The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think
that
in the grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts
compared
to the money that the WMF has collected from donors.
I believe we have a responsibility to treat our donor's contributions
with
respect and care. I don't think that 70k Euro is peanuts, and rarely
you
will find any foundation or NGO considering such an amount to be insignificant.
best,
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Dariusz,
What is the point of spending the funds frugally if our mission is not accomplished? Why do we need to compare an event of this magnitude to a small chapter?
The money is there to be used, not to sit on top of it without knowing what to do with it. If the WMF doesn't know what to do with it, at least it should go back to the community in the form of grants like this one. And if that is not feasible, then it should be given back to donnors. And if that is not feasible, then we should stop taking so much money because it seems that we don't need it. Or do we?
Cheers, Micru
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl wrote:
hi David,
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are insuficient
to
cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants was 36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR.
You realize that this is pretty much what an annual budget of a small Wikimedia chapter is, right?
I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just giving breadcrumbs to the community, and the community has to suffer in silence about this stinginess.
The WMF, just as the movement, has a responsibility to our donors, to spend the money wisely and frugally. We surely do not always do so, but we try.
Why are there two standards? One standard seems to be that everything
that
the WMF needs to allocate can go unsupervised, whereas another standard
seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so supervised that it becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big.
The WMF's spending is actually reviewed and commented on by the community and the FDC.
The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think that in the grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts
compared
to the money that the WMF has collected from donors.
I believe we have a responsibility to treat our donor's contributions with respect and care. I don't think that 70k Euro is peanuts, and rarely you will find any foundation or NGO considering such an amount to be insignificant.
best,
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I'm afraid I don't really see the logic in this. Even if we assume for a moment that the WMF is sitting on top of an enormous, inexhaustible pile of cash, it doesn't make sense that it should just splash that money around on community initiatives without carefully assessing whether it is the best possible use for that money, and whether additional cash would actually lead to increased benefits. I'm quite skeptical about the idea that flying an additional bunch of people for a holiday in Germany, at considerable expense to the movement, is really the most cost-effective way to develop Wikidata. It seems especially odd to me that one would be upset about an event like this not being adequately funded, when it appears that the organisers got 100% of the funding that they requested.
Cheers, Craig
On 29 June 2017 at 04:39, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Dariusz,
What is the point of spending the funds frugally if our mission is not accomplished? Why do we need to compare an event of this magnitude to a small chapter?
The money is there to be used, not to sit on top of it without knowing what to do with it. If the WMF doesn't know what to do with it, at least it should go back to the community in the form of grants like this one. And if that is not feasible, then it should be given back to donnors. And if that is not feasible, then we should stop taking so much money because it seems that we don't need it. Or do we?
Cheers, Micru
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl wrote:
hi David,
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are insuficient
to
cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants was 36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR.
You realize that this is pretty much what an annual budget of a small Wikimedia chapter is, right?
I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just
giving
breadcrumbs to the community, and the community has to suffer in
silence
about this stinginess.
The WMF, just as the movement, has a responsibility to our donors, to
spend
the money wisely and frugally. We surely do not always do so, but we try.
Why are there two standards? One standard seems to be that everything
that
the WMF needs to allocate can go unsupervised, whereas another standard
seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so
supervised
that it becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big.
The WMF's spending is actually reviewed and commented on by the community and the FDC.
The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think
that
in the grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts
compared
to the money that the WMF has collected from donors.
I believe we have a responsibility to treat our donor's contributions
with
respect and care. I don't think that 70k Euro is peanuts, and rarely you will find any foundation or NGO considering such an amount to be insignificant.
best,
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Given the application got 100% of what was requested
There would be more value in duplicating the event by flying the speakers in to another location(ie SE Asia, South America) rather than which give a more diverse demographic of people having access the information. We saw this in the value of the WikiDown under tour by Andy which had a greater impact in getting WikiData better supported across multiple cities. https://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Wikidata_Tour_Down_Under
On 29 June 2017 at 17:10, Craig Franklin cfranklin@halonetwork.net wrote:
I'm afraid I don't really see the logic in this. Even if we assume for a moment that the WMF is sitting on top of an enormous, inexhaustible pile of cash, it doesn't make sense that it should just splash that money around on community initiatives without carefully assessing whether it is the best possible use for that money, and whether additional cash would actually lead to increased benefits. I'm quite skeptical about the idea that flying an additional bunch of people for a holiday in Germany, at considerable expense to the movement, is really the most cost-effective way to develop Wikidata. It seems especially odd to me that one would be upset about an event like this not being adequately funded, when it appears that the organisers got 100% of the funding that they requested.
Cheers, Craig
On 29 June 2017 at 04:39, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Dariusz,
What is the point of spending the funds frugally if our mission is not accomplished? Why do we need to compare an event of this magnitude to a small chapter?
The money is there to be used, not to sit on top of it without knowing
what
to do with it. If the WMF doesn't know what to do with it, at least it should go back to the community in the form of grants like this one. And
if
that is not feasible, then it should be given back to donnors. And if
that
is not feasible, then we should stop taking so much money because it
seems
that we don't need it. Or do we?
Cheers, Micru
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl wrote:
hi David,
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela <
dacuetu@gmail.com>
wrote:
Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are
insuficient
to
cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants
was
36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR.
You realize that this is pretty much what an annual budget of a small Wikimedia chapter is, right?
I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just
giving
breadcrumbs to the community, and the community has to suffer in
silence
about this stinginess.
The WMF, just as the movement, has a responsibility to our donors, to
spend
the money wisely and frugally. We surely do not always do so, but we
try.
Why are there two standards? One standard seems to be that everything
that
the WMF needs to allocate can go unsupervised, whereas another standard
seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so
supervised
that it becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big.
The WMF's spending is actually reviewed and commented on by the
community
and the FDC.
The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think
that
in the grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts
compared
to the money that the WMF has collected from donors.
I believe we have a responsibility to treat our donor's contributions
with
respect and care. I don't think that 70k Euro is peanuts, and rarely
you
will find any foundation or NGO considering such an amount to be insignificant.
best,
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Making a bunch of unsupported and mostly unrelated accusations of bad faith is usually not a great way of raising support for your grant request. Long rants about how more money would be needed without even a hint of what that money would be used for are also unhelpful. I recommend letting this thread die and then starting a fresh one about the mission impact of the Wikidata conference and how it could be raised by a larger budget.
I would also recommend talking with the other organizers first, as right now it is unclear whether you are complaining about the WMF not willing to give a larger grant or about the organizers not feeling the need for one.
(FWIW the WikidataCon budget is ~75.000 EUR, planned to be supported by a 36.000 EUR WMF grant and a 40.000 EUR WMDE grant.)
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are insuficient to cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants was 36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR.
I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just giving breadcrumbs to the community, and the community has to suffer in silence about this stinginess. What can we do as a community to request with a clear voice the funds that we need?
Why are there two standards? One standard seems to be that everything that the WMF needs to allocate can go unsupervised, whereas another standard seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so supervised that it becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big.
The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think that in the grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts compared to the money that the WMF has collected from donors.
If things have to be done well, then the community has every right to claim the money from the donors. The WMF has no right to appropriate that money and use it as a hammer to sabotage events that could have a real impact like the Wikidata Conference.
I request that the amount of funds allocated for grants to be increased from 36,000 eur to 72,000 eur, and this is an informed request that I perform both as a community member and as a member of the Wikidata Conference Grants Committee.
The link to my complaint can be found here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:Conference/ WMDE/WikidataCon#Complaint_about_this_grant_application
The link to the Wikidata Conference Grants Commitee can be found here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/ Volunteer/Scholarships_committee
I hope to have some feedback about this complaint. Thank you, Micru _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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