I'm afraid I don't really see the logic in this. Even if we assume for a
moment that the WMF is sitting on top of an enormous, inexhaustible pile of
cash, it doesn't make sense that it should just splash that money around on
community initiatives without carefully assessing whether it is the best
possible use for that money, and whether additional cash would actually
lead to increased benefits. I'm quite skeptical about the idea that flying
an additional bunch of people for a holiday in Germany, at considerable
expense to the movement, is really the most cost-effective way to develop
Wikidata. It seems especially odd to me that one would be upset about an
event like this not being adequately funded, when it appears that the
organisers got 100% of the funding that they requested.
Cheers,
Craig
On 29 June 2017 at 04:39, David Cuenca Tudela <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Dariusz,
What is the point of spending the funds frugally if our mission is not
accomplished? Why do we need to compare an event of this magnitude to a
small chapter?
The money is there to be used, not to sit on top of it without knowing what
to do with it. If the WMF doesn't know what to do with it, at least it
should go back to the community in the form of grants like this one. And if
that is not feasible, then it should be given back to donnors. And if that
is not feasible, then we should stop taking so much money because it seems
that we don't need it. Or do we?
Cheers,
Micru
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj(a)alk.edu.pl>
wrote:
hi David,
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela <dacuetu(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Recently the review for the Wikidata conference
grant application has
started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are insuficient
to
cover the needs of the grants. The requested
amount for the grants was
36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR.
You realize that this is pretty much what an annual budget of a small
Wikimedia chapter is, right?
> I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just
giving
> breadcrumbs to the community, and the
community has to suffer in
silence
about
this stinginess.
The WMF, just as the movement, has a responsibility to our donors, to
spend
the money wisely and frugally. We surely do not
always do so, but we try.
Why are there two standards? One standard seems
to be that everything
that
the WMF needs to allocate can go
unsupervised, whereas another standard
> seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so
supervised
that it
becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big.
The WMF's spending is actually reviewed and commented on by the community
and the FDC.
> The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think
that
in the
grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts
compared
to the money that the WMF has collected from
donors.
I believe we have a responsibility to treat our donor's contributions
with
respect and care. I don't think that 70k Euro
is peanuts, and rarely you
will find any foundation or NGO considering such an amount to be
insignificant.
best,
dariusz
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