Hello community,
in the last week we had different reports about the link from mainland China about accessability of Wikipedia. Some reported they can access Wikipedia, some not, the reports may from the same city. The censorship of keywords are still on. By people who can access directly, if you key in a keyword, you would no more able to access Wikipedia for a few seconds to a few minutes.
A television reporter from Hongkong said although the IOC said that at the reporters center one would be able to access without any censorship, the reporter showd in television that she can indeed call the main page of english Wikipedia, but as soon as she type in a keyword, the connection is broken.
Here is the news report: http://news.tvb.com/20080708.php?video=http://vdo.tvb.com/n/630pm_news/20080... . The demonstration happens at about 75% to 80% of the report.
Greetings Ting.
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Ting Chen Wing.Philopp@gmx.de wrote:
Hello community,
in the last week we had different reports about the link from mainland China about accessability of Wikipedia. Some reported they can access Wikipedia, some not, the reports may from the same city. The censorship of keywords are still on. By people who can access directly, if you key in a keyword, you would no more able to access Wikipedia for a few seconds to a few minutes.
A television reporter from Hongkong said although the IOC said that at the reporters center one would be able to access without any censorship, the reporter showd in television that she can indeed call the main page of english Wikipedia, but as soon as she type in a keyword, the connection is broken.
Here is the news report: http://news.tvb.com/20080708.php?video=http://vdo.tvb.com/n/630pm_news/20080.... The demonstration happens at about 75% to 80% of the report.
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thank you ting!
i watched the item and saw wikipedia.org and the *blip* twice it goes away when anything is clicked. what can we do? would it be possible to consider adding a notice on (at least) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page warning readers about this possibility during the olympic games?
all the best, oscar
Hi Oscar,
It's pretty much well known to folks using the Internet in China that any site, not just Wikipedia, is subject to blocking if the page contains sensitive keywords, so not sure there is much WP community can do other than to just chug along. At least this is a lot better than just last year when it was all blocked
-Andrew (User:Fuzheado)
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 4:01 AM, oscar van dillen oscarvandillen@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Ting Chen Wing.Philopp@gmx.de wrote:
Hello community,
in the last week we had different reports about the link from mainland China about accessability of Wikipedia. Some reported they can access Wikipedia, some not, the reports may from the same city. The censorship of keywords are still on. By people who can access directly, if you key in a keyword, you would no more able to access Wikipedia for a few seconds to a few minutes.
A television reporter from Hongkong said although the IOC said that at the reporters center one would be able to access without any censorship, the reporter showd in television that she can indeed call the main page of english Wikipedia, but as soon as she type in a keyword, the connection is broken.
Here is the news report: http://news.tvb.com/20080708.php?video=http://vdo.tvb.com/n/630pm_news/20080.... The demonstration happens at about 75% to 80% of the report.
Greetings Ting. -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser
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thank you ting!
i watched the item and saw wikipedia.org and the *blip* twice it goes away when anything is clicked. what can we do? would it be possible to consider adding a notice on (at least) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page warning readers about this possibility during the olympic games?
all the best, oscar
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Andrew Lih wrote:
Hi Oscar,
It's pretty much well known to folks using the Internet in China that any site, not just Wikipedia, is subject to blocking if the page contains sensitive keywords, so not sure there is much WP community can do other than to just chug along. At least this is a lot better than just last year when it was all blocked
-Andrew (User:Fuzheado)
Heh,...
1. Do we know what these sensitive keywords are?
2. Any point in munging them during the olympics?
3. Would it make any difference in the long run?
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 6:30 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonavaro@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew Lih wrote:
Hi Oscar,
It's pretty much well known to folks using the Internet in China that any site, not just Wikipedia, is subject to blocking if the page contains sensitive keywords, so not sure there is much WP community can do other than to just chug along. At least this is a lot better than just last year when it was all blocked
-Andrew (User:Fuzheado)
Heh,...
- Do we know what these sensitive keywords are?
Generally what is dubbed 3T1F : Tiananmen, Tibet and Taiwan independence, Falungong. You had the weird/amusing case of last week's (good) news of cross-strait direct China-Taiwan flights being stopped by the Great Firewall because the Chinese words for "cross-strait" triggered blocks. Such is the problem with simple keyword blocking.
- Any point in munging them during the olympics?
Not particularly, as most reporters hopefully will have access to some type of VPN. I've given some talks to the journalist groups here about that.
- Would it make any difference in the long run?
When one controls the hardware routers between your browser and the web sites, that's where most of the power lies. Technical means can only do so much in the long run.
-Andrew (User:Fuzheado)
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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There are of course other words that are blocked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_words_censored_by_search_engines_in_the...
On 11/07/2008, Andrew Lih andrew.lih@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 6:30 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonavaro@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew Lih wrote:
Hi Oscar,
It's pretty much well known to folks using the Internet in China that any site, not just Wikipedia, is subject to blocking if the page contains sensitive keywords, so not sure there is much WP community can do other than to just chug along. At least this is a lot better than just last year when it was all blocked
-Andrew (User:Fuzheado)
Heh,...
- Do we know what these sensitive keywords are?
Generally what is dubbed 3T1F : Tiananmen, Tibet and Taiwan independence, Falungong. You had the weird/amusing case of last week's (good) news of cross-strait direct China-Taiwan flights being stopped by the Great Firewall because the Chinese words for "cross-strait" triggered blocks. Such is the problem with simple keyword blocking.
- Any point in munging them during the olympics?
Not particularly, as most reporters hopefully will have access to some type of VPN. I've given some talks to the journalist groups here about that.
- Would it make any difference in the long run?
When one controls the hardware routers between your browser and the web sites, that's where most of the power lies. Technical means can only do so much in the long run.
-Andrew (User:Fuzheado)
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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Ting Chen wrote:
Hello community,
in the last week we had different reports about the link from mainland China about accessability of Wikipedia. Some reported they can access Wikipedia, some not, the reports may from the same city. The censorship of keywords are still on. By people who can access directly, if you key in a keyword, you would no more able to access Wikipedia for a few seconds to a few minutes.
A television reporter from Hongkong said although the IOC said that at the reporters center one would be able to access without any censorship, the reporter showd in television that she can indeed call the main page of english Wikipedia, but as soon as she type in a keyword, the connection is broken.
Here is the news report: http://news.tvb.com/20080708.php?video=http://vdo.tvb.com/n/630pm_news/20080... . The demonstration happens at about 75% to 80% of the report.
Greetings Ting.
How disappointing :-(((
Ant
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Florence Devouard wrote:
Ting Chen wrote:
Hello community,
in the last week we had different reports about the link from mainland China about accessability of Wikipedia. Some reported they can access Wikipedia, some not, the reports may from the same city. The censorship of keywords are still on. By people who can access directly, if you key in a keyword, you would no more able to access Wikipedia for a few seconds to a few minutes.
A television reporter from Hongkong said although the IOC said that at the reporters center one would be able to access without any censorship, the reporter showd in television that she can indeed call the main page of english Wikipedia, but as soon as she type in a keyword, the connection is broken.
Here is the news report: http://news.tvb.com/20080708.php?video=http://vdo.tvb.com/n/630pm_news/20080... . The demonstration happens at about 75% to 80% of the report.
Greetings Ting.
How disappointing :-(((
Ant
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Incidentally, tor editing is possible on the English Wikipedia. [[WP:IPEXEMPT]].
Best,
Jon
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