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Bryan Tong Minh

9 Jul 2008 9 Jul '08

1:44 p.m.

Is there a policy on using Google Analytics on Wikimedia sites? I found it on <http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js>. I believed there was something about it in the past that it was not allowed, but I don't remember exactly so I thought I'd better ask here first before telling the th admins that it is not allowed. Bryan

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Gregory Maxwell

9 Jul 9 Jul

1:52 p.m.

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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It's not allowed. Admins are not permitted to add things like that under the privacy policy ...

Chad

2:04 p.m.

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com> wrote:

It's not allowed. Admins are not permitted to add things like that under the privacy policy ... _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Also related: http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Tracker.js -Chad

geni

5:33 p.m.

2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com>om>:

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Has been removed by MaxSem: http://th.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8… -- geni

Bryan Tong Minh

6:41 p.m.

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 7:33 PM, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com>om>:

Has been removed by MaxSem: http://th.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8… -- geni _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

I ran a check on all Wikimedia wikis and found 2 more: * http://vls.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js * http://th.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5… Bryan

David Gerard

6:46 p.m.

2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com>om>:

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On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 7:33 PM, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com>om>:

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>> Is there a policy on using Google Analytics on Wikimedia sites? I >> found it on <http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js>. I >> believed there was something about it in the past that it was not >> allowed, but I don't remember exactly so I thought I'd better ask here >> first before telling the th admins that it is not allowed.

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> Has been removed by MaxSem: > http://th.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8…

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I ran a check on all Wikimedia wikis and found 2 more: * http://vls.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js * http://th.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5…

Suitable candidate for the spam list? (If that will affect the contents of MediaWiki: space files.) Those URLs shouldn't ever be on a Wikimedia page, I'd think. - d.

Chad

7:03 p.m.

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 2:46 PM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com>om>:

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 7:33 PM, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com>om>:

> Has been removed by MaxSem: > http://th.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8…

I ran a check on all Wikimedia wikis and found 2 more: * http://vls.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js * http://th.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5…

Suitable candidate for the spam list? (If that will affect the contents of MediaWiki: space files.) Those URLs shouldn't ever be on a Wikimedia page, I'd think. - d. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Aren't sysops exempt from the spam blacklists anyway? I could be completely wrong here. -Chad

Gregory Maxwell

7:23 p.m.

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Aren't sysops exempt from the spam blacklists anyway? I could be completely wrong here.

So they could inadvertently make pages uneditable by anyone else? That wouldn't work so well.. ;) That isn't the case unless something has changed recently.

Chad

7:34 p.m.

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Aren't sysops exempt from the spam blacklists anyway? I could be completely wrong here.

So they could inadvertently make pages uneditable by anyone else? That wouldn't work so well.. ;) That isn't the case unless something has changed recently. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

I stand corrected, thanks :-) -Chad

mike.lifeguard

10 Jul 10 Jul

12:02 a.m.

Nobody is exempt. If you want it blacklisted (not an outlandish idea, I think, but requires some consensus) please list it at [[m:Talk:Spam blacklist]] as usual. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Chad [mailto:innocentkiller@gmail.com] Sent: July 9, 2008 4:03 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Google Analytics On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 2:46 PM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com>om>:

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 7:33 PM, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2008/7/9 Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com>om>:

>> Has been removed by MaxSem: >>

http://th.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8% 94%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4:Monobook.js&diff=12 61501&oldid=757905

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> I ran a check on all Wikimedia wikis and found 2 more: > * http://vls.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js > *

http://th.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5% E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B4:Monobook.js

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Aren't sysops exempt from the spam blacklists anyway? I could be completely wrong here. -Chad

Gregory Maxwell

1:59 a.m.

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:02 PM, mike.lifeguard <mike.lifeguard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Nobody is exempt. If you want it blacklisted (not an outlandish idea, I think, but requires some consensus) please list it at [[m:Talk:Spam blacklist]] as usual.

You can't stop them ... raw html or JS that does a document.write isn't going to hit the SBL, these aren't external links. The long terms solution is to further constrain the ability to edit JS and raw HTML than just adminship. The desire to be able to do that has been around for a while but there are a lot of little places in mediawiki that need to be changed for it to happen.

Platonides

12 Jul 12 Jul

1:48 p.m.

Gregory Maxwell wrote:

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On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:02 PM, mike.lifeguard wrote:

Nobody is exempt. If you want it blacklisted (not an outlandish idea, I think, but requires some consensus) please list it at [[m:Talk:Spam blacklist]] as usual.

You can't stop them ... raw html or JS that does a document.write isn't going to hit the SBL, these aren't external links.

It can be added to $wgRegex. They can easy overcome it, a simple concatenation is enough. But hopefully they will think twice about it if they se it has been blocked? Specially if instead of "you can't insert google-analytics" or "you can't insert urchinTracker()" they receive a message like "Using google analytics goes against the WMF privacy policy. No, you are NOT allowed to add it. If you're still in doubt ask in foundation-l first"

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