Wikimedia-l August 2013

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] HTTPS for logged in users on Wednesday August 21st
by George William Herbert 21 Aug '13

21 Aug '13

+foundation-l On Aug 20, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Brion Vibber <bvibber(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > This is an acceptable trade-off which we've allowed the Chinese government > to make for us before, and here we're talking about a much smaller effect > (on contributors only). > > Again, it's not our business to fix China. China has to fix China. None of which changes that this is not properly an ops team decision, particularly without notification, warning, workaround explained to people. If the explanation as to the effects on users in those locales is correct, I would like the Ops team to voluntarily stand back and notify and allow some wider discussion and explanation of the workaround. If Ops won't do that, then I would like to request that the WMF executive intervene and direct ops to pause and allow wider notification and discussion and explanation of the workaround. If the WMF executive is not willing I would like to request that the Board review the situation promptly and direct a pause per above. The outcome is not wrong. THIS IS THE WRONG WAY TO DO IT, without warning and explanation to the community. Sent from Kangphone

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law enforcement buying vulnerabilities on black market & leaving them unreported for surveillance
by James Salsman 20 Aug '13

20 Aug '13

While the trickling release of Edward Snowden's revelations from bad to worse in weekly incremental steps has been enormously effective in swaying public opinion, it has made formulating a meaningful response very difficult. A few weeks ago we learned that the FBI has been purchasing personal computer operating system vulnerabilities from gray and black-hat hackers on the black market, often for several tens of thousands of dollars each, and leaving them unreported and thereby unpatched for use in future surveillance operations: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/08/01/how-the-fbi-hacks-criminal-suspects/ Unfortunately, this means that the vulnerabilities remain available to the criminal computer crime underground, affecting everyone including Foundation project readers and contributors alike. Very recently a well respected group of researchers characterized this state of affairs as "preferable" to the complexity of additional surveillance network and systems infrastructure: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2312107 This is a false dichotomy which directly places Foundation project readers and editors at risk, but does so along with virtually everyone else who uses personal computer or smartphone equipment. However, I think it is an important aspect to address because none of the other recent eavesdropping revelations put people at risk to organized computer crime, blackmail, and extortion in the same way. Is there any reason to exclude action on a particular issue just because it effects everyone else along with our users?

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Hong Kong diary
by Ziko van Dijk 20 Aug '13

20 Aug '13

Dear friends of free knowledge, Over the past days I have been approached by many of you with kind remarks on the experimental WCA year; actually, I am fine and looking forward to finish some work discussed on in Hong Kong. (Let yourself be surprised. :-) ) Thank you, and see you again soon in Wikimedia country. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ziko/Hong_Kong_diary Kind regards Ziko -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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An idea that may improve Wikipedia's fundraising
by Ziyuan Yao 20 Aug '13

20 Aug '13

Dear All, Besides asking for direct donations, there is another way that can potentially help Wikipedia's fundraising: Instead of asking for money but offering nothing in return, Wikipedia can ask supporters to buy a monthly or annual issue of "Offline Wikipedia DVD". The DVD contains software and data that let the user browse Wikipedia offline, which can be good for times when Internet access is limited or unavailable (e.g. on travel). Of course the price will be higher than the actual DVD creation and shipping costs, so as to support Wikipedia's operation. This idea has some foundations in consumer psychology theories. For example, street artists don't just ask for money; they perform to give supporters something in return. Regards, Ziyuan Yao

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WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode
by attolippip 20 Aug '13

20 Aug '13

Dear all, as a member of the board in question, i would like to explain more But let's not pretend this is a question of a sudden need to set up a new mailing list. That's not what this is about (q) A. yep. totally agree. this all is about <u>searching for transparent and convenient forms of communication</u> especially within the chapter. but it is really difficult, it seems :(( (if possible at all) ...<u>and failing</u> we (as a community) were discussing: - a new mailing list (with a public archive), for announcements - if it is open, than looking for volunteers is easier, as one can offer help even if (s)he is not a member of the organization - to leave this mailing list (the one, that was 'switched to 'read-only' mode' by the board's decision) for talking - there are some people that are used to solving problems by talking them[problems] out-of-their-wits with a fair lot of letters (so to say) - to use irc channel for those wishing to hear answers ASAP and without being drown by e-letters (and publish these logs afterwards) the need was not sudden, but it was too late expressed. it just irritates people to get lots of letters and it irritates them to hear something critical or unpleasant... unfortunately, people TEND to act on their irritation thus the above-mentioned Board decision was made... (...) and we can assume the WMUA membership will judge their action as they see fit (q) A. and i do believe so best regards, antanana wikimedia Ukraine

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WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode
by Pavlo Shevelo 19 Aug '13

19 Aug '13

According to WMUA Board decision [1] from now on (today morning) and for unlimited time period the one and only WMUA chapter mailing list [ WikimediaUA] [2] (which is very much like [Wikimedia-I]) is switched to read-only mode for all community members but Board (7 persons) and Audit Committee (+3 persons), who saved full access for them. It's like conversion of [Wikimedia-l] into [WikimediaAnnounce-l], but with much more severe (only for WMF Board announcements) limitations. Interestingly (if somebody prefer) that moderators of [WikimediaUA] mailing list from the times long before the said ruling are: * 2 Board members (Board Chair and Executive director) and * 1 member of Audit Committee. All moderators were appointed (no elections!) by ...Board decision. As for now my question is pretty simple: is there any precedents known, when chapter Board do some alike rulings? Does it seems appropriate? If anybody will be interested in context (bigger picture etc.) that is why it was done so (including formal and real causes & motivations), this person will have to go deep into struggle: * for openness ('clearness') of the WMUA Board; * against unethical (and so, in that meaning immoral) behaviour of some of WMUA Board members * ...etc. and [3] and [4] are some entry points for that ...'deepness'. Sincerely, Pavlo Shevelo (my WPnick is the same :)) [1] http://ua.wikimedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%96%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F_%D0… [2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaua [3] See the Talk page for [1] [4] http://ua.wikimedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%… Sorry, all references are in Ukrainian (with Ukrainian titles, that's why URLs are so long) but Google translate works reasonably well to give the idea, at least for [1], which is most important

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WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode
by Анатолій Гончаров 18 Aug '13

18 Aug '13

About the second mailing list: there was request to create one: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52947 but this variant was rejected by Board 2013/8/18 <wikimedia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to > wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wikimedia-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikimedia-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode > (Pavlo Shevelo) > 2. Re: WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode > (Manuel Schneider) > 3. Re: WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode > (Federico Leva (Nemo)) > 4. Re: WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode > (Pavlo Shevelo) > 5. Re: WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode > (Manuel Schneider) > 6. Re: WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode > (Ziko van Dijk) > 7. Re: WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode > (Pavlo Shevelo) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:36:24 +0300 > From: Pavlo Shevelo <pavlo.shevelo(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to > 'read-only' mode > Message-ID: > < > CAE4eYtO0u6ybWELdzrJu+2qxRRkJgeSSm6WfYq+VcV53eg+eag(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > According to WMUA Board decision [1] from now on (today morning) and for > unlimited time period the one and only WMUA chapter mailing list [ > WikimediaUA] [2] (which is very much like [Wikimedia-I]) is switched to > read-only mode for all community members but Board (7 persons) and Audit > Committee (+3 persons), who saved full access for them. > > It's like conversion of [Wikimedia-l] into [WikimediaAnnounce-l], but with > much more severe (only for WMF Board announcements) limitations. > > Interestingly (if somebody prefer) that moderators of [WikimediaUA] mailing > list from the times long before the said ruling are: > * 2 Board members (Board Chair and Executive director) > and > * 1 member of Audit Committee. > All moderators were appointed (no elections!) by ...Board decision. > > As for now my question is pretty simple: is there any precedents known, > when chapter Board do some alike rulings? Does it seems appropriate? > > If anybody will be interested in context (bigger picture etc.) that is why > it was done so (including formal and real causes & motivations), this > person will have to go deep into struggle: > > * for openness ('clearness') of the WMUA Board; > * against unethical (and so, in that meaning immoral) behaviour of some > of WMUA Board members > * ...etc. > > and [3] and [4] are some entry points for that ...'deepness'. > > Sincerely, > > Pavlo Shevelo > (my WPnick is the same :)) > > [1] > > http://ua.wikimedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%96%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F_%D0… > > [2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaua > [3] See the Talk page for [1] > [4] > > http://ua.wikimedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%… > > Sorry, all references are in Ukrainian (with Ukrainian titles, that's why > URLs are so long) but Google translate works reasonably well to give the > idea, at least for [1], which is most important > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:03:12 +0200 > From: Manuel Schneider <manuel.schneider(a)wikimedia.ch> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to > 'read-only' mode > Message-ID: <5210E230.6020908(a)wikimedia.ch> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Dear Pavlo, > > as that list is dedicated to chapter business, the chapter may decide > how to use that list. > > For open discussions of the ukranian language Wikimedia projects there > is WikiUK-l: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiuk-l > > If there is a real need for a seperate list to discuss chapter business > which is open, not the project list and not controlled by the board I am > sure that the folks at WMF are happy to help with that. Maybe the new > list could then become WikimediaUA-l and the current WikimediaUA-l will > become WikimediaUA-Announce-l or similar. But this should be discussed > by the concerned community. > > > /Manuel > -- > Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:45:48 +0200 > From: "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to > 'read-only' mode > Message-ID: <5210EC2C.5010907(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Pavlo Shevelo, 18/08/2013 16:36: > > As for now my question is pretty simple: is there any precedents known, > > when chapter Board do some alike rulings? Does it seems appropriate? > > Sorry, but I think these questions are flawed. A better question is: do > the member of the chapter have a suitable and working place where to > discuss among themselves to carry out their duties and rights as members > of the chapters, as defined by the bylaws? > (One is not always easy to set up.) > > > > > If anybody will be interested in context (bigger picture etc.) that is > why > > it was done so (including formal and real causes & motivations), this > > person will have to go deep into struggle: > > > > * for openness ('clearness') of the WMUA Board; > > * against unethical (and so, in that meaning immoral) behaviour of some > > of WMUA Board members > > * ...etc. > > So that's *the* mailing list for all the internal discussions of the > board? If it's public, then these is indeed higher "transparency" than > in most chapters (not that this is necessarily a good thing); on the > other hand it does not replace an all-members discussion space. > > Nemo > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:47:40 +0300 > From: Pavlo Shevelo <pavlo.shevelo(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to > 'read-only' mode > Message-ID: > < > CAE4eYtPFpxD70946YDZzR-d0pKGNi5ae-s-Ptz2-bmjFhftKPw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Dear Manuel, > > Thanks for your swift comment & advice, I appreciate (while I'm one of the > administrators at WikiUK-l, by the way :) ). > > Forgive me for missing the detail which was obvious for me - I'm WMUA > member (from the moment of it legal registration back in 2009) so I'm from > inside WMUA as a project as well as 40+ more WMUA members (beside Board and > AC). In your wording - I'm well inside of "chapter business", the issue is > with the missing (or invalid?) process "the chapter may decide how to use > that list". > > That was clear for me (and explained by me in local discussions - in said > mailing list and on community Portal) that if Board needs something only > for announcements ("WikimediaUA-Announce-l or similar"), they should > contact "folks at WMF" and arrange new, additional list (like WMF Board did > some years after creation of 'universal' list). > > In addition to that nobody never settled in proper way, that [WikimediaUA] > is "the project list" (if WMUA is not the project by itself) and, moreover, > it should be "controlled by the board" to that extent as WMUA Board it > defined and settled for themselves. > > So I remain with my question about > is there any precedents known, when chapter Board do some alike rulings? > Does it seems appropriate? > > All more advices how to create alternative mailing list with help of: > * "folks at WMF" > * automatic services/stuff at Google (like Google groups etc.) > will be appreciated, but it's not the main focus of my interest. > > Sincerely, > > Pavlo > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Manuel Schneider < > manuel.schneider(a)wikimedia.ch> wrote: > > > Dear Pavlo, > > > > as that list is dedicated to chapter business, the chapter may decide > > how to use that list. > > > > For open discussions of the ukranian language Wikimedia projects there > > is WikiUK-l: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiuk-l > > > > If there is a real need for a seperate list to discuss chapter business > > which is open, not the project list and not controlled by the board I am > > sure that the folks at WMF are happy to help with that. Maybe the new > > list could then become WikimediaUA-l and the current WikimediaUA-l will > > become WikimediaUA-Announce-l or similar. But this should be discussed > > by the concerned community. > > > > > > /Manuel > > -- > > Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > > Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:58:13 +0200 > From: Manuel Schneider <manuel.schneider(a)wikimedia.ch> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to > 'read-only' mode > Message-ID: <5210EF15.4080501(a)wikimedia.ch> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Am 18.08.2013 17:47, schrieb Pavlo Shevelo: > > is there any precedents known, when chapter Board do some alike rulings? > > all precedence known to me have been much less restrictive actions, such > as the WikimediaCH-l list to become a closed list due to some issues we > had with private information (unwillingly) disclosed on that list. > Nobody questioned that change. > > > Does it seems appropriate? > > My personal opinion is that the board may decide so, under consideration > of what Nemo questioned: That the chapters community / members have an > appropriate place to conduct their work. This may be disputed as it was > the formerly open and public list which has been closed but it could > also be considered that WikiUK-l could act as such place as well. > So from my point of view it is really up to the community at > WikimediaUA-l and WikiUK-l whether WikiUK-l is an appropriate > replacement or if another list is needed due to this change. > > /Manuel > -- > Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:04:40 +0200 > From: Ziko van Dijk <vandijk(a)wmnederland.nl> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to > 'read-only' mode > Message-ID: > <CAGC3U7jf8WuFQCgd= > m3bdFyMuXmrkYTrSzx6wQJoo69URy6kvw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello, > This is actually a good question for > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Research/Surv… > How do chapter boards make use of the board mailing list, and how about the > general mailing list of the association. Actually, the mailing list of > WMNL, Wikimedianl-l, doesn't show very much activity. Everyone can join and > post. But I can imagine scenarios in which a chapter decides to change > that. > Kind regards > Ziko > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr. Ziko van Dijk > voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland > > Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland > Postbus 167 > 3500 AD Utrecht > http://wikimedia.nl > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > 2013/8/18 Pavlo Shevelo <pavlo.shevelo(a)gmail.com> > > > According to WMUA Board decision [1] from now on (today morning) and for > > unlimited time period the one and only WMUA chapter mailing list [ > > WikimediaUA] [2] (which is very much like [Wikimedia-I]) is switched to > > read-only mode for all community members but Board (7 persons) and Audit > > Committee (+3 persons), who saved full access for them. > > > > It's like conversion of [Wikimedia-l] into [WikimediaAnnounce-l], but > with > > much more severe (only for WMF Board announcements) limitations. > > > > Interestingly (if somebody prefer) that moderators of [WikimediaUA] > mailing > > list from the times long before the said ruling are: > > * 2 Board members (Board Chair and Executive director) > > and > > * 1 member of Audit Committee. > > All moderators were appointed (no elections!) by ...Board decision. > > > > As for now my question is pretty simple: is there any precedents known, > > when chapter Board do some alike rulings? Does it seems appropriate? > > > > If anybody will be interested in context (bigger picture etc.) that is > why > > it was done so (including formal and real causes & motivations), this > > person will have to go deep into struggle: > > > > * for openness ('clearness') of the WMUA Board; > > * against unethical (and so, in that meaning immoral) behaviour of some > > of WMUA Board members > > * ...etc. > > > > and [3] and [4] are some entry points for that ...'deepness'. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Pavlo Shevelo > > (my WPnick is the same :)) > > > > [1] > > > > > http://ua.wikimedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%96%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F_%D0… > > > > [2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaua > > [3] See the Talk page for [1] > > [4] > > > > > http://ua.wikimedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%… > > > > Sorry, all references are in Ukrainian (with Ukrainian titles, that's why > > URLs are so long) but Google translate works reasonably well to give the > > idea, at least for [1], which is most important > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:26:36 +0300 > From: Pavlo Shevelo <pavlo.shevelo(a)gmail.com> > To: "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to > 'read-only' mode > Message-ID: > <CAE4eYtMv7dHEdUoCqwqShci0aTzFT=D6cjJvwvULJCOJ= > XYyUg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Oh Federico (or should I use Nemo as the name? :) ), > > Seemingly you almost grasped (groked) what I'm talking about and that > "almost" is caused by my problems in English (it's not my native language > and I suffer from lack of practice :( ). > > So we need some more clarification and let me start from the bottom up (as > of the text of your mail): > > > that's *the* mailing list for all the internal discussions of the board? > > If it's public, then these is indeed higher "transparency" than in most > chapters (not that this is necessarily a good thing); > > Definitely NO, while we think (not only dream) about that level of > transparency. As I'm one of the believers, that "this is necessarily a good > thing", I dared even to propose that several times to Board members. > > But from the very beginning of WMUA the Board has separate mailing list > (without archive, what is significant in some situations like change of > Board members) and in addition they build Board' wikisite which is closed > as well (only AC members ver granted by access - after long struggle so as > sorta gifted compromise, while it was never accepted by the community). > So said mailing list they ...occupy only for "Urbi et orbi" purposes or it > will be more exact to say only for "urbi" (strictly confidential for WMUA). > > > on the other hand it does not replace an all-members discussion space. > > YES it does replace or, to be more exact, "all-members discussion space" is > converted to Board announcement place (all others but AC is in "sit down > and listen" mode strictly). > > > better question is: do the member of the chapter have a suitable and > working place where to discuss among themselves to carry out their duties > and rights as members of the chapter > > Since said ruling - not in the mailing list(s), while community Portal > survived (yet? the administrators there are ...surprise - Board and AC > members as well). As we all know discussions on the wiki (like Portals, > Village pumps etc.) doesn't eliminate the need of mailing list. > > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Pavlo Shevelo, 18/08/2013 16:36: > > > > As for now my question is pretty simple: is there any precedents known, > >> when chapter Board do some alike rulings? Does it seems appropriate? > >> > > > > Sorry, but I think these questions are flawed. A better question is: do > > the member of the chapter have a suitable and working place where to > > discuss among themselves to carry out their duties and rights as members > of > > the chapters, as defined by the bylaws? > > (One is not always easy to set up.) > > > > > > > >> If anybody will be interested in context (bigger picture etc.) that is > why > >> it was done so (including formal and real causes & motivations), this > >> person will have to go deep into struggle: > >> > >> * for openness ('clearness') of the WMUA Board; > >> * against unethical (and so, in that meaning immoral) behaviour of some > >> of WMUA Board members > >> * ...etc. > >> > > > > So that's *the* mailing list for all the internal discussions of the > > board? If it's public, then these is indeed higher "transparency" than in > > most chapters (not that this is necessarily a good thing); on the other > > hand it does not replace an all-members discussion space. > > > > Nemo > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > End of Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 113, Issue 45 > ******************************************** > -- Анатолій Гончаров mailto:ahonc@wikimediaukraine.org.ua ICQ: 364-176-156

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[Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 32 -- 14 August 2013
by Wikipedia Signpost 16 Aug '13

16 Aug '13

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Fwd: [Wikimania-l] git.wikimedia.org dead due to wikimania ; )
by Huib Laurens 15 Aug '13

15 Aug '13

Hello, I always believed that our servers where monitored 24/7? But nobody seems to be arround to fix a core part in our systems? Huib ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:24 PM Subject: [Wikimania-l] git.wikimedia.org dead due to wikimania ;) To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" < wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> it seems git.wikimedia.org is down due: * no volunteer has access * no paid person works on weekends * everybody else is at wikimania rupert. _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens

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Fwd: Wikimedia India Board(EC) Elections-2013 - Results
by Arjuna Rao Chavala 15 Aug '13

15 Aug '13

FYI ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Arjuna Rao Chavala <arjunaraoc(a)gmail.com> Date: 2013/8/15 Subject: Wikimedia India Board(EC) Elections-2013 - Results To: wmin-members <wmin-members(a)googlegroups.com>, Wikimedia India EC < wikimedia-in-exec(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: <masked> Hi, We completed the election process for Wikimedia India Chapter Executive Committee (EC) Elections for year 2013 in today's Annual General Body Meeting. We are happy to announce the results of the Election. Total eligible Voters: 66 (Excluding 3 members of the Election Committee, who cant' vote as per the Election rules) Votes polled: 27 (26 by post and 1 in person), (40.9%) Valid votes: 26 Invalid vote:1 Candidate- Votes polled Jayanta Nath - 17 Moksh Juneja - 17 Nikhil Kawale - 3 Santosh Shingare - 6 Yohann Thomas - 7 Hence, Jayanta Nath and Moksh Juneja are declared as elected to EC for the two vacant positions for term 2013-2015. We congratulate Jayanta and Moksh. We thank EC, all the candidates and members for active participation in the Election process. We thank the outgoing Executive Committee led by Sudhanwa for all their contributions. We wish the new EC all the best for growing the movement and the chapter in future. Sincerely, Arjuna Rao Chavala, Tinu Cherian, Radhakrishna A Election Committee for EC Elections-2013 Wikimedia India Chapter

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