Dear friends of free knowledge,
Over the past days I have been approached by many of you with kind remarks on the experimental WCA year; actually, I am fine and looking forward to finish some work discussed on in Hong Kong. (Let yourself be surprised. :-) ) Thank you, and see you again soon in Wikimedia country. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ziko/Hong_Kong_diary
Kind regards Ziko
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland
Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello Ziko,
I like your diary very much and I just love your point regarding "fundamental lack of political education among the activists".
Regards, Pavlo
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Ziko van Dijk vandijk@wmnederland.nlwrote:
Dear friends of free knowledge,
Over the past days I have been approached by many of you with kind remarks on the experimental WCA year; actually, I am fine and looking forward to finish some work discussed on in Hong Kong. (Let yourself be surprised. :-) ) Thank you, and see you again soon in Wikimedia country. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ziko/Hong_Kong_diary
Kind regards Ziko
Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland
Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl
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yep. i strongly agree
'an understanding of some basic concepts and ideas' is really important, i believe but what-makes-wikiworld-go just doesn't seem to work within a 'formal' organization i wonder if a 'visible' hierarchy 'reverts' users into ordinary people...
ziko, thank you for sharing this!
best regards, antanana
2013/8/20 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shevelo@gmail.com
Hello Ziko,
I like your diary very much and I just love your point regarding "fundamental lack of political education among the activists".
Regards, Pavlo
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Ziko van Dijk <vandijk@wmnederland.nl
wrote:
Dear friends of free knowledge,
Over the past days I have been approached by many of you with kind
remarks
on the experimental WCA year; actually, I am fine and looking forward to finish some work discussed on in Hong Kong. (Let yourself be surprised.
:-)
) Thank you, and see you again soon in Wikimedia country. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ziko/Hong_Kong_diary
Kind regards Ziko
Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland
Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl
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That's exactly what Ziko is talking about: Hierarchy really 'reverts' users into real people, but moreover - it gives them power to command the resources (people and money are just resources for many of 'commanders'), and politics - how to gain ASAP and then to keep ...ALAP (as long as possible) the commandment position (through the elections etc.).
...and that 'ordinary' people suffer of proper knowledge about power, (democratic) procedures etc. (see the Ziko' explanation), but what is worse - organisation suffers even more (much more).
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:47 PM, attolippip attolippip@gmail.com wrote:
yep. i strongly agree
'an understanding of some basic concepts and ideas' is really important, i believe but what-makes-wikiworld-go just doesn't seem to work within a 'formal' organization i wonder if a 'visible' hierarchy 'reverts' users into ordinary people...
ziko, thank you for sharing this!
best regards, antanana
2013/8/20 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shevelo@gmail.com
Hello Ziko,
I like your diary very much and I just love your point regarding "fundamental lack of political education among the activists".
Regards, Pavlo
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Ziko van Dijk <vandijk@wmnederland.nl
wrote:
Dear friends of free knowledge,
Over the past days I have been approached by many of you with kind
remarks
on the experimental WCA year; actually, I am fine and looking forward
to
finish some work discussed on in Hong Kong. (Let yourself be surprised.
:-)
) Thank you, and see you again soon in Wikimedia country. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ziko/Hong_Kong_diary
Kind regards Ziko
Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland
Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl
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