Hello,
I had started a discussion on the Village Pump of Commons. I think
Commons is a very important project, and a very complicated project.
With more and more projects initiated by our chapters to encourage other
organizations or individuals to give their content free and upload them
to Commons it also becomes a fassade project of the Foundation and its
chapters. This and other reasons make me think that we should as broadly
as possible to discuss a few issues on Commons. The discussion is here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Some_reflections_abo…
--
Ting
Ting's Blog: http://wingphilopp.blogspot.com/
Since Facebook is a pretty popular Internet service, where Wikimedia already
has a sort of presence, it might make sense for the Foundation to contact
Facebook to reserve the /wikipedia and /wikimedia unique facebook URLs.
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/15/facebookers-nab-celebrity-comedy-n…
-- Nathan
I wish to see no political limitation towards the exploitation of googletranslate technology to the success of wikipedia and its underwriting pockets; because the majority of top google hits equal wikipedia entries, co-existing translation technology should be obsolete as well as necessary for cosmo-consequential agreement.
sMilla94070
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> Let me disagree. Hungarian is not in the same group by far, and the
> results make it possible to understand more than 50% of the text
> (sometimes I'd say above 90%). While this is far from proper
> translation it is by no means _useless_, since its obvious use is to
> understand a completely foreign text to some extents.
>
IMHO automatic translations into Polish are useless, as they only allow rough orientation in the contents of an article. It concerns not only translations from Hungarian (in which part of the words whose Polish counterparts were unknown to the automatic translator were left untranslated or translated into English), but even translations from German. (I was trying articles on the children's literature ;-)
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2009/6/15 Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com>:
> Sysops on Commons arent just handed the tools they first must seek a level
> of trust from the community that trust is because there are times when a
> person must act in the interest of Commons. As a long term sysop on Commons
> and one the higher end contributors sysops do have a level of authority and
> need to exercise their judgement more frequently without discussion then
> other larger projects (like de,en) one the problems is that at times there
> arent the experienced people around to enable a thorough discussion before
> acting.
> This is a particluar problem with local copyright issues as an Australian I
> got a good understand of OZ law and know where to get more info, I also
> gained a fair understanding of US over time and out of necessity but I have
> a very limited smattering of it for elsewhere when there is the necessity to
> make a move if I cant get independent opinions/help then I would defer to
> safest solution for Commons
Yeah. The problem is that to be an admin on Commons requires you to be
a copyright law edge-cases nerd way beyond the point where any
reasonable person would just say "bugger it, just sue me." And the
persistence to deal with, what is it, 10%? of uploads being
unacceptable for one reason or another.
So you'll get people - and it's fewer and fewer - who tend to be
interested in Commons as a standalone project and are
indifferent-to-hostile to the service project angle.
The bureaucratic obstructionism - not active hindering (well, maybe
just a bit), just passive not-caring - accorded the recent Pikiwiki
problems is a perfect recent example.
Possible solution: active recruitment drive on client wikis of
underrepresented languages. Get interested sysops on those wikis to go
through suitable training to become Commons.
This requires setting out precisely what a Commons admin needs to
know. Establish clear and somewhat objective criteria for Commons
admins.
- d.
Hi Cary Bass,
Congratulations on your new voluntary position in the oversight of Wikipeida!
As a volunteer and regular foundantion-l list e-mail receiver, I hope that you will be given no discretionary power whatsoever as to this free-entrepreneurial dot.com company.
This economic crisis demands not panic but unity in its smallest form; and under the context in anger upon which I am writing to you, unity is far from a modern reality.
sMilla94070
thank you
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4. Re: [Wikitech-l] Licensing update: Final steps (Erik Moeller)
5. Re: Licensing update: Final steps (Erik Moeller)
6. Re: Licensing update: Final steps (Unionhawk)
7. Re: Licensing update: Final steps (Erik Moeller)
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:10:32 +0200
From: Ting Chen <wing.philopp(a)gmx.de>
Subject: [Foundation-l] Some reflections about the governance of
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Hello,
I had started a discussion on the Village Pump of Commons. I think
Commons is a very important project, and a very complicated project.
With more and more projects initiated by our chapters to encourage other
organizations or individuals to give their content free and upload them
to Commons it also becomes a fassade project of the Foundation and its
chapters. This and other reasons make me think that we should as broadly
as possible to discuss a few issues on Commons. The discussion is here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Some_reflections_abo…
--
Ting
Ting's Blog: http://wingphilopp.blogspot.com/
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:22:28 +0100
From: David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Foundation-l] How to help convince Google not to foul up
HTML5 <video>?
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Summary: Google Chrome includes Ogg support for the <video> element.
It also includes H.264 support. Fine, but ... they're also testing
HTML5 YouTube *only* for H.264.
Mike Shaver from Mozilla has fairly unambiguously asked Chris diBona
from Google what the heck Google thinks it's doing:
http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-June/020363.html
Google appears to want Ogg support, but strictly as a sideline for
H.264 support. Is there anyone around the Foundation who can ask them
"wtf?"
- d.
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:54:04 -0700
From: Cary Bass <cary(a)wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Foundation-l] Volunteer:Email response statistician
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Hi all, please see new volunteer position[1] for Email response (OTRS)
statistician. This position is specific to the English Wikipedia group
of email queues, but may be customized for other langauges/projects later.
If you have specific questions, feel free to email me directly, but I'd
like to keep general discussion on the lists to a minimum.
Cary Bass
Volunteer Coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:51:25 -0700
From: Erik Moeller <erik(a)wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Licensing update: Final steps
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2009/6/9 Platonides <Platonides(a)gmail.com>:
> Sorry if it has already been discussed before but, why has the English
> version to be included in the same page?
> Isn't a link good enough?
In the past years we've seen substantial semantic drift in the various
localized/translated versions. Having the English version visible for
consistent reference should help to avoid this. A two-column format
should make it not-too-irritating.
> We also need a technical way of flagging CC-BY-SA only content
> (page_props?).
No, we're not committing to any advanced tracking of GFDL; it's an
obligation of re-users. (Which they should be able to meet by checking
for attribution of single-licensed content.)
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:53:04 -0700
From: Erik Moeller <erik(a)wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing update: Final steps
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2009/6/10 geni <geniice(a)gmail.com>:
> Well the Terms for edit screen is unacceptably long
<snip>
Some of this was helpful, thanks. I've responded on the talk page and
made some further edits.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Implementation
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:55:04 -0400
From: Unionhawk <unionhawk.sitemod(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing update: Final steps
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Look, this should all be really simple... Just get the developers to
change the footer(s) and any admin copy the legal code of the creative
commons license into the current page... How many Wikipedians does it
take to change the licensing?
- --Unionhawk
Erik Moeller wrote:
> 2009/6/10 geni <geniice(a)gmail.com>:
>> Well the Terms for edit screen is unacceptably long
>
> <snip>
>
> Some of this was helpful, thanks. I've responded on the talk page and
> made some further edits.
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Implementation
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:05:26 -0700
From: Erik Moeller <erik(a)wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing update: Final steps
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2009/6/12 Unionhawk <unionhawk.sitemod(a)gmail.com>:
> Look, this should all be really simple... Just get the developers to
> change the footer(s) and any admin copy the legal code of the creative
> commons license into the current page... How many Wikipedians does it
> take to change the licensing?
More than one to do it correctly. :-)
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:28:05 +0100
From: Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing update: Final steps
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At 20:05 -0700 12/6/09, Erik Moeller wrote:
>2009/6/12 Unionhawk <unionhawk.sitemod(a)gmail.com>:
>> Look, this should all be really simple... Just get the developers to
> > change the footer(s) and any admin copy the legal code of the creative
>> commons license into the current page... How many Wikipedians does it
>> take to change the licensing?
>
>More than one to do it correctly. :-)
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>Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
Is there any compulsion to contact all previous
authors/editors/contributors directly?
Gordo
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Date: Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 9:13 PM
Subject: [Wikimania-l] Tamil Wikipedia Academy at 3 PM Today
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Hi fellow Wikipedians,
Wikipedia Academy is a free platform to help interested people learn
how to better contribute to Wikipedia. Wikipedia Academy takes place
every month in Chennai and for this edition, the focus is on helping
people learn how to edit Tamil Wikipedia.
There are many who are interested in contributing to Tamil Wikipedia
but don't know how to go about it. At the academy, they can learn the
step by step process of editing from an experienced Wikipedian.
Ravikumar Aiyakannu has been a long time Wikipedia contributor and has
volunteered to teach.
Day & Date: Saturday, 14th June, 2009
There are two batches. One at 3 pm and the next one at 5 pm.
The address is
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Chennai - 600092
For clarification and help, please call Kiruba at 98415 97744 or
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All,
after some internal discussion with the licensing update committee,
I'm proposing the following final site terms to be implemented on all
Wikimedia projects that currently use GFDL as their primary content
license, as well as the relevant multimedia templates:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Implementation
Please note that these aren't quite yet ready for translation yet
(hence labeled draft). Please provide feedback here or on the talk
page, ideally by Thursday night UTC so we can move the process forward
on Friday.
In terms of implementing these changes, I suggest the following:
1) That the relevant site configuration variables are updated on June 15;
2) That, additionally, a central "Terms of use" page is created on
wikimediafoundation.org to house the "terms of use" above, which can
be replaced with a localized version whenever one is created;
3) That the relevant MediaWiki-messages are force-updated on all
projects to the English version above, or any translations already
created by June 15;
4) That the revised MediaWiki-messages are also translated through
translatewiki.net and hence additional translations will be rolled out
through normal i18n upgrades.
Regarding 3) and 4), this may best be achieved by creating new
MediaWiki messages. I would appreciate the advice of our translation
and tech team on this, and of course on the entire proposed process.
(I realize that there's not nearly enough time for any number of
translations, but we have a fixed deadline of beginning the roll-out
of this change by June 15.)
For multimedia, the licensing committee and the Wikimedia Commons
community are still discussing the best update strategy, but it will
probably involve a bot updating the existing templates. We're also
hoping to run a CentralNotice to explain the process to the
communities so that people can help to fix up pages and policies.
Thanks for any help in moving this forward,
Erik
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2009/6/9 Platonides <Platonides(a)gmail.com>:
> Sorry if it has already been discussed before but, why has the English
> version to be included in the same page?
> Isn't a link good enough?
In the past years we've seen substantial semantic drift in the various
localized/translated versions. Having the English version visible for
consistent reference should help to avoid this. A two-column format
should make it not-too-irritating.
> We also need a technical way of flagging CC-BY-SA only content
> (page_props?).
No, we're not committing to any advanced tracking of GFDL; it's an
obligation of re-users. (Which they should be able to meet by checking
for attribution of single-licensed content.)
--
Erik Möller
Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
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like to keep general discussion on the lists to a minimum.
Cary Bass
Volunteer Coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation
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