Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Thanks for the comments
from Marc, Nathan and Steven. I'm hurrying this response in an
attempt to keep the subject alive for a little longer and generate
some interest from others.
Marc, you comment is not very optimistic, but it was a great
incentive to do what I announced above. Hopefully others will be more
encouraged to voice their ideas about other matters, knowing they'll
find a friendly hear and some useful and very welcome feedback.
I'm glad to find Nathan in a better mood this time :-). Of course
language is a problem. This is indeed a very interesting problem that
I hope has a solution in the international wikipedian community. That
is also an obstacle to getting on greater detail in this list since
most of its members would not be able to verify and cross check that
information.
The Foundation can't afford to let a Wikipedia on some obscure
language (that is not the case of Portuguese) to run wild and be run
by some mob. At some time a flag will go up. What then? I could offer
some suggestions, but I was hoping that you all would come up with
some useful and tested procedures.
I'm afraid to have to admit that the lack of interest and advice that
I got, so far, covers both list and off-list. I wish that would
change, again not only for the present case, but what kind of message
is this sending to others? How sure can we all be that there aren't
or there would not be other cases in the future?
Quite frankly, I would rather be wrong (not a very palatable
prospect) but give others the assurance that their voices will be
heard, than letting them remember the story of this guy from
"somewhere" who blew the whistle and nobody cared.
Sincerely,
Virgilio A. P. Machado
'Forget altruism. Misanthropy and egotism are the fuel of online social
production. That's the conclusion suggested by a new study of the character
traits of the contributors to Wikipedia. A team of Israeli research
psychologists gave personality tests to 69 Wikipedians and 70
non-Wikipedians. They discovered that, as New Scientist puts
it<http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16349-psychologist-finds-wikipedians-…>,
Wikipedians are generally "grumpy," "disagreeable," and "closed to new
ideas."'
http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2009/06/the_sour_wikipe.php
I wonder how the mailing list will react....
Talking about antisocial... It's quite interesting what I experienced
in this very list.
I wasn't aware of the study published in the New Scientist until I
read about it here on the list, and appreciate the information very much.
Earlier this month I wrote about my perception of the same inadequate
behavior on the Portuguese Wikipedia and the adverse consequences
that might have. Not surprisingly I met a pretty derogatory comment
and plenty of silence. I certainly don't have the status of the New
Scientist. I also don't have, yet, any study to back up my observations.
Nevertheless I'm saddened by the undeniable evidence, that even on
this list it is easier to find displeasure than empathy, camaraderie,
not to mention friendship. As I was told: That doesn't really fly here.
Sincerely,
Virgilio A. P. Machado
I think that it is very on topic and that we should have it here. What
do others think?
I know that a lot of foundation-l subscribers are Wikizine
subscribers, too; but I think that many are not because they don't
know that it exists. And this will be the constant issue: All
newcomers will know for foundation-l much more before Wikizine. And
Wikizine summarizes what is going on around WMF projects.
What Wikimedia events or activities would you like to see take place
in the UK?
We're currently trying to pull together ideas for "initiatives" that
Wikimedia UK can support, at
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Proposals
There have been lots of ideas posted at:
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Ideas
which need fleshing out before they can be taken forward. We've also
got a list of things that we've already supported at
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives
We're having an open IRC meeting to discuss possible initiatives,
which will take place this coming Tuesday, the 30th June 2009, at
8.30PM BST (19:30 GMT), in #wikimedia-uk on irc.freenode.net . For
more information, and to say that you'll be coming, please visit:
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings/Discussions/Initiatives
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set up as a membership-run non-profit UK company limited by
guarantee. To find out more information, to join or to donate, please
visit our website at http://uk.wikimedia.org/ .
Thanks,
Mike Peel
Chair, Wikimedia UK - http://uk.wikimedia.org/
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and Wales, Registered No. 6741827.
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United Kingdom
Hoi,
I am at the moment at a book sprint about Open Translation Tools. One of the
topics in the books is how to deal with video. Subtitling and dubbing are
the two obvious techniques to make video relevant for multiple languages.
Kaltura was mentioned and, Kaltura has combined its platform with SubPLY for
its subtitling. As I understand it at this moment, SubPLY is proprietary.
Does this mean that we do not have a way to subtitle the videos that we hope
to host in the near future.
Thanks,
GerardM
OK. So let's drop the 'legal scholarship' from the original thread
and get back on topic.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:33 PM, John Vandenberg<jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> off-topic?? ... surely you jest!!
>
> I think about _three_ of the 50+ emails in this thread have been on
> the topic of open access journal articles on Wikisource.
For a different example, Nina Paley recently released her full catalog
of works, comic art, video short, and feature film, under CC-SA. This
seems to me unequivocally interesting to Wikisource. The media should
also be uploaded to the Archive, but we simply have less control over
classification, organization into galleries, metadata manipulation and
commenting there. And there is no way to provide translations or
other-lanugage entries or articles alongside the original source
materials. [the Archive is not that friendly to non-english-readers]
Wikimedia currently doesn't like files as large as a feature film, or
even a high-def short. (how should we address this? Brion mentioned
something about making video easier to upload in November.) But is
there any reason not to include other bodies of published sources now
available under free license? Wikisource is currently the closest
thing available to a unified place to categorize, comment on, and
provide bidirectional links to source text and files of any sort. It
should in some ways be our largest project, and even our most widely
cited.
SJ
Anyone able to help with this?
(Durova's been doing a lot of restoration work on Commons. There has
also been discussion on wikien-l about crediting restorers - there's
frequently no copyright obligation to credit restorers, but doing so
is (a) polite (b) more accurate sourcing (c) encourages more good
restorations on Commons. Ideas for workable restorer crediting
welcomed.)
- d.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Durova <nadezhda.durova(a)gmail.com>
Date: 2009/6/27
Subject: [WikiEN-l] The edit heard round the world
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Hi all,
Have been working on coaxing the return of a talented editor by the name of
Shoemaker's Holiday--who is by far WMF's most skilled volunteer at restoring
historic etchings. Turns out he's been working on an important project:
perhaps someone can help obtain source material.
The subject is Paul Revere's engraving of the Boston Massacre:
http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/ppmsca.19159http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/ppmsca.01657
As you can see, both of the Library of Congress copies are missing sections
of data due to damage. If we can obtain a high resolution scan from a third
copy of this etching, it will become possible to assemble a composite of the
complete engraving.
(For Wikimedians who aren't US-Based, the Boston Massacre was a key event
that preceded the American Revolution. Paul Revere's famous depiction
helped spread dissatisfaction with colonial rule).
What we're looking for are editors who to interface with historic societies
or libraries that own an original copy of the engraving. Particularly
within Boston or Massachusetts, although copies probably exist across
various locations in the eastern United States. We're looking to obtain an
uncompressed scan of the document on the order of 25MB-100MB. Source credit
will be provided to the institution, of course, and the final work might be
selected to run on Wikipedia's main page.
Please contact me if you can assist or provide contacts.
-Durova
--
http://durova.blogspot.com/
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