This was really useful information. Thanks!
I have used a modified version of this to invite 2500 people on Commons who previously contributed to WLM in the UK.
Regards
Michael
attolippip mailto:attolippip@gmail.com 30 August 2019 at 9:26 pm Thanks, Mohammad!
(I am sure everybody knows this, but I just in case!)
For those, who has organised a photo contest before: you can also make a quarry to get a list of participants of your previous editions of WLM (or/and other photo contests), and just invite them (via MassMessage) to take part in your contest this year.
For example, you can fork this one (and change the categories you need)): https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38665 Or find somebody in your community who can create such a quarry (or a better one!) or has a bot :)))
З повагою / Best regards, antanana
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This sounds fantastic. Is there a foolproof way to do this for those of us with no knowledge of SQL? :)
I've changed the categories to WLM in Malta, as appropriate. Is there anything else I need to change?
Neville
On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 at 17:53, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
This was really useful information. Thanks!
I have used a modified version of this to invite 2500 people on Commons who previously contributed to WLM in the UK.
Regards
Michael
attolippip attolippip@gmail.com 30 August 2019 at 9:26 pm Thanks, Mohammad!
(I am sure everybody knows this, but I just in case!)
For those, who has organised a photo contest before: you can also make a quarry to get a list of participants of your previous editions of WLM (or/and other photo contests), and just invite them (via MassMessage) to take part in your contest this year.
For example, you can fork this one (and change the categories you need)): https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38665 Or find somebody in your community who can create such a quarry (or a better one!) or has a bot :)))
З повагою / Best regards, antanana
Disclaimer: This letter is sent in my Wikimedia volunteer capacity, not as a Board member of Wikimedia Foundation
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Thanks, Michael!
To Neville: no, just make sure your categories are right. And make sure you are excluding those who has already participated this year :)
On Tue, Sep 3, 2019, 21:50 Neville Borg neville.borg@wikimalta.org wrote:
This sounds fantastic. Is there a foolproof way to do this for those of us with no knowledge of SQL? :)
I've changed the categories to WLM in Malta, as appropriate. Is there anything else I need to change?
Neville
On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 at 17:53, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
This was really useful information. Thanks!
I have used a modified version of this to invite 2500 people on Commons who previously contributed to WLM in the UK.
Regards
Michael
attolippip attolippip@gmail.com 30 August 2019 at 9:26 pm Thanks, Mohammad!
(I am sure everybody knows this, but I just in case!)
For those, who has organised a photo contest before: you can also make a quarry to get a list of participants of your previous editions of WLM (or/and other photo contests), and just invite them (via MassMessage) to take part in your contest this year.
For example, you can fork this one (and change the categories you need)): https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38665 Or find somebody in your community who can create such a quarry (or a better one!) or has a bot :)))
З повагою / Best regards, antanana
Disclaimer: This letter is sent in my Wikimedia volunteer capacity, not as a Board member of Wikimedia Foundation
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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I just copied and edited the original template for the UK situation. Here's the UK version:
https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38769
Just stepping through what to do:
1. Fork the above query, using the Fork button
2. Change both sections of yellow text to relate to your situation, the first with your old Commons categories and the single line underneath with your current category. Note that you need the underlines between the words; spaces won't work
3. Copy the results. If too many, download as csv, then open in a text editor, to get raw text with one entry per line
4. Use the results as the target for a mass message on Commons. Unless you're an admin, you'll need help doing that, as non-admins are limited in the number of messages they can send.
4a. Start a new page on Commons, in your own userspace. Set out the subject line and body text of the message you want to send. Also include the list of targets. My example page is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelMaggs/WLM-UK2019Message
4b. Post a request to the Commons Administrator's noticeboard (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard) for an admin to send the message for you. Here's my request: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_no...
4c. If all's OK, a friendly admin will be along soon to complete the messaging.
Hope that helps
Michael
Neville Borg mailto:neville.borg@wikimalta.org 3 September 2019 at 7:50 pm This sounds fantastic. Is there a foolproof way to do this for those of us with no knowledge of SQL? :)
I've changed the categories to WLM in Malta, as appropriate. Is there anything else I need to change?
Neville
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Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org Michael Maggs mailto:Michael@maggs.name 3 September 2019 at 4:53 pm This was really useful information. Thanks!
I have used a modified version of this to invite 2500 people on Commons who previously contributed to WLM in the UK.
Regards
Michael
Thank you so much, this is amazingly helpful! I've given it a go, hopefully it should work.
Neville
On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 at 21:19, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
I just copied and edited the original template for the UK situation. Here's the UK version:
https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38769
Just stepping through what to do:
Fork the above query, using the Fork button
Change both sections of yellow text to relate to your situation, the
first with your old Commons categories and the single line underneath with your current category. Note that you need the underlines between the words; spaces won't work
- Copy the results. If too many, download as csv, then open in a text
editor, to get raw text with one entry per line
- Use the results as the target for a mass message on Commons. Unless
you're an admin, you'll need help doing that, as non-admins are limited in the number of messages they can send.
4a. Start a new page on Commons, in your own userspace. Set out the subject line and body text of the message you want to send. Also include the list of targets. My example page is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelMaggs/WLM-UK2019Message
4b. Post a request to the Commons Administrator's noticeboard ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard) for an admin to send the message for you. Here's my request: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_no...
4c. If all's OK, a friendly admin will be along soon to complete the messaging.
Hope that helps
Michael
Neville Borg neville.borg@wikimalta.org 3 September 2019 at 7:50 pm This sounds fantastic. Is there a foolproof way to do this for those of us with no knowledge of SQL? :)
I've changed the categories to WLM in Malta, as appropriate. Is there anything else I need to change?
Neville
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Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name 3 September 2019 at 4:53 pm This was really useful information. Thanks!
I have used a modified version of this to invite 2500 people on Commons who previously contributed to WLM in the UK.
Regards
Michael
Hi Michael,
Thanks, this is helpful to document. If you would be willing to update/expand the documentation here, that would be great: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentatio...
In general, this is the place where we try to collect these best practices: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentatio...
Best, Lodewijk
On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 12:19 PM Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
I just copied and edited the original template for the UK situation. Here's the UK version:
https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38769
Just stepping through what to do:
Fork the above query, using the Fork button
Change both sections of yellow text to relate to your situation, the
first with your old Commons categories and the single line underneath with your current category. Note that you need the underlines between the words; spaces won't work
- Copy the results. If too many, download as csv, then open in a text
editor, to get raw text with one entry per line
- Use the results as the target for a mass message on Commons. Unless
you're an admin, you'll need help doing that, as non-admins are limited in the number of messages they can send.
4a. Start a new page on Commons, in your own userspace. Set out the subject line and body text of the message you want to send. Also include the list of targets. My example page is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelMaggs/WLM-UK2019Message
4b. Post a request to the Commons Administrator's noticeboard ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard) for an admin to send the message for you. Here's my request: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_no...
4c. If all's OK, a friendly admin will be along soon to complete the messaging.
Hope that helps
Michael
Neville Borg neville.borg@wikimalta.org 3 September 2019 at 7:50 pm This sounds fantastic. Is there a foolproof way to do this for those of us with no knowledge of SQL? :)
I've changed the categories to WLM in Malta, as appropriate. Is there anything else I need to change?
Neville
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Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name 3 September 2019 at 4:53 pm This was really useful information. Thanks!
I have used a modified version of this to invite 2500 people on Commons who previously contributed to WLM in the UK.
Regards
Michael
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
That’s really helpful indeed.
A query with participants in Brazil returned more than 7000 users. I wonder if there is a limit or if it is fine to send to all of them.
Teles
Em ter, 3 de set de 2019 às 17:22, effe iets anders < effeietsanders@gmail.com> escreveu:
Hi Michael,
Thanks, this is helpful to document. If you would be willing to update/expand the documentation here, that would be great: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentatio...
In general, this is the place where we try to collect these best practices: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentatio...
Best, Lodewijk
On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 12:19 PM Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
I just copied and edited the original template for the UK situation. Here's the UK version:
https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38769
Just stepping through what to do:
Fork the above query, using the Fork button
Change both sections of yellow text to relate to your situation, the
first with your old Commons categories and the single line underneath with your current category. Note that you need the underlines between the words; spaces won't work
- Copy the results. If too many, download as csv, then open in a text
editor, to get raw text with one entry per line
- Use the results as the target for a mass message on Commons. Unless
you're an admin, you'll need help doing that, as non-admins are limited in the number of messages they can send.
4a. Start a new page on Commons, in your own userspace. Set out the subject line and body text of the message you want to send. Also include the list of targets. My example page is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelMaggs/WLM-UK2019Message
4b. Post a request to the Commons Administrator's noticeboard ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard) for an admin to send the message for you. Here's my request: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_no...
4c. If all's OK, a friendly admin will be along soon to complete the messaging.
Hope that helps
Michael
Neville Borg neville.borg@wikimalta.org 3 September 2019 at 7:50 pm This sounds fantastic. Is there a foolproof way to do this for those of us with no knowledge of SQL? :)
I've changed the categories to WLM in Malta, as appropriate. Is there anything else I need to change?
Neville
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Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name 3 September 2019 at 4:53 pm This was really useful information. Thanks!
I have used a modified version of this to invite 2500 people on Commons who previously contributed to WLM in the UK.
Regards
Michael
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Don’t think there’s any hard limit for admins, and as you’re one you should be able to send the mass message yourself if you want.
Michael
On 4 Sep 2019, at 18:33, Lucas Teles teleswiki@gmail.com wrote:
That’s really helpful indeed A query with participants in Brazil returned more than 7000 users. I wonder if there is a limit or if it is fine to send to all of them.
Teles
Em ter, 3 de set de 2019 às 17:22, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com escreveu:
Hi Michael,
Thanks, this is helpful to document. If you would be willing to update/expand the documentation here, that would be great: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentatio...
In general, this is the place where we try to collect these best practices: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentatio...
Best, Lodewijk
On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 12:19 PM Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote: I just copied and edited the original template for the UK situation. Here's the UK version:
https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38769
Just stepping through what to do:
Fork the above query, using the Fork button
Change both sections of yellow text to relate to your situation, the first with your old Commons categories and the single line underneath with your current category. Note that you need the underlines between the words; spaces won't work
Copy the results. If too many, download as csv, then open in a text editor, to get raw text with one entry per line
Use the results as the target for a mass message on Commons. Unless you're an admin, you'll need help doing that, as non-admins are limited in the number of messages they can send.
4a. Start a new page on Commons, in your own userspace. Set out the subject line and body text of the message you want to send. Also include the list of targets. My example page is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelMaggs/WLM-UK2019Message
4b. Post a request to the Commons Administrator's noticeboard (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard) for an admin to send the message for you. Here's my request: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_no...
4c. If all's OK, a friendly admin will be along soon to complete the messaging.
Hope that helps
Michael
Neville Borg 3 September 2019 at 7:50 pm This sounds fantastic. Is there a foolproof way to do this for those of us with no knowledge of SQL? :)
I've changed the categories to WLM in Malta, as appropriate. Is there anything else I need to change?
Neville
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Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org Michael Maggs 3 September 2019 at 4:53 pm This was really useful information. Thanks!
I have used a modified version of this to invite 2500 people on Commons who previously contributed to WLM in the UK.
Regards
Michael
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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Awesome. Thanks!
Teles
Em qua, 4 de set de 2019 às 15:22, Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name escreveu:
Don’t think there’s any hard limit for admins, and as you’re one you should be able to send the mass message yourself if you want.
Michael
On 4 Sep 2019, at 18:33, Lucas Teles teleswiki@gmail.com wrote:
That’s really helpful indeed
A query with participants in Brazil returned more than 7000 users. I wonder if there is a limit or if it is fine to send to all of them.
Teles
Em ter, 3 de set de 2019 às 17:22, effe iets anders < effeietsanders@gmail.com> escreveu:
Hi Michael,
Thanks, this is helpful to document. If you would be willing to update/expand the documentation here, that would be great: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentatio...
In general, this is the place where we try to collect these best practices: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentatio...
Best, Lodewijk
On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 12:19 PM Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
I just copied and edited the original template for the UK situation. Here's the UK version:
https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38769
Just stepping through what to do:
Fork the above query, using the Fork button
Change both sections of yellow text to relate to your situation, the
first with your old Commons categories and the single line underneath with your current category. Note that you need the underlines between the words; spaces won't work
- Copy the results. If too many, download as csv, then open in a text
editor, to get raw text with one entry per line
- Use the results as the target for a mass message on Commons. Unless
you're an admin, you'll need help doing that, as non-admins are limited in the number of messages they can send.
4a. Start a new page on Commons, in your own userspace. Set out the subject line and body text of the message you want to send. Also include the list of targets. My example page is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelMaggs/WLM-UK2019Message
4b. Post a request to the Commons Administrator's noticeboard ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard) for an admin to send the message for you. Here's my request: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_no...
4c. If all's OK, a friendly admin will be along soon to complete the messaging.
Hope that helps
Michael
Neville Borg neville.borg@wikimalta.org 3 September 2019 at 7:50 pm This sounds fantastic. Is there a foolproof way to do this for those of us with no knowledge of SQL? :)
I've changed the categories to WLM in Malta, as appropriate. Is there anything else I need to change?
Neville
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Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name 3 September 2019 at 4:53 pm This was really useful information. Thanks!
I have used a modified version of this to invite 2500 people on Commons who previously contributed to WLM in the UK.
Regards
Michael
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
-- Lucas Teles - he/him Steward and Ombudsman for Wikimedia projects. Administrator at Portuguese Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. Sent from mobile. Please, excuse my brevity.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles +55 (71) 99707 6409
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
effe iets anders, 03/09/19 23:21:
Thanks, this is helpful to document. If you would be willing to update/expand the documentation here, that would be great: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentatio...
Thank you, I've added a few links over there.
Another strategy I used in the past is to message (Wikipedia) users related to places which take part in WLM: https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38807
This has the advantage that you can send a more personal/interesting message which mentions a topic they're interested in, see for instance: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Zwobot24
It works in Italy because users are often frustrated by the lack of monuments in their area (for the well known legal issues), so they may miss that new places have been added. To avoid sending a lot of irrelevant messages I focused on users with relatively few contributions but very focused on a relevant place; you may also want to target places without photos, or whatever priorities you have.
Mass messages were likely responsible for the small peaks of attention on September 12, 13 and 21 last year: https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=it.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&pages=Progetto:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2018/Monumenti
However I don't remember exactly how many of those users actually proceeded to upload something, so if you want to experiment new kinds of mass messaging I suggest you start small (e.g. 1000 messages) and check what impact they have before you proceed with many thousands. For very large deliveries (over 10k targets) you may want to check a sample of your targets to see if they've been messaged by others recently, to avoid fatigue.
Federico
Hi Nemo
That's really great.
I just love it when Wikimedians pick up on a suggestion and share more and better ways of doing stuff (and then we go off and document it on wiki!)
I've expanded the documentation page
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentatio...
to help those who don't know SQL or Quarry to send a simple Commons message.
You've done some more sophisticated stuff, sending messages to Wikipedia talk pages, and it would be good to document that in an easy-to-follow way, as well. I wonder whether you'd be able to construct a sample Quarry query based on https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38807 that could be used on the English Wikipedia?
It would be good, also, to have a query that focuses on most-needed articles that don't yet have an image. A Quarry query, for example, that extracts users who have edited these articles:
* English and Welsh Grade I listed sites with articles on the English Wikipedia that lack an illustration: http://tinyurl.com/ycvz6qpl https://t.co/pqZ3zxcluG?amp=1
Regards
Michael
Federico Leva (Nemo) mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com 5 September 2019 at 8:00 am
Thank you, I've added a few links over there.
Another strategy I used in the past is to message (Wikipedia) users related to places which take part in WLM: https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38807
This has the advantage that you can send a more personal/interesting message which mentions a topic they're interested in, see for instance: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Zwobot24
It works in Italy because users are often frustrated by the lack of monuments in their area (for the well known legal issues), so they may miss that new places have been added. To avoid sending a lot of irrelevant messages I focused on users with relatively few contributions but very focused on a relevant place; you may also want to target places without photos, or whatever priorities you have.
Mass messages were likely responsible for the small peaks of attention on September 12, 13 and 21 last year: https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=it.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&pages=Progetto:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2018/Monumenti
However I don't remember exactly how many of those users actually proceeded to upload something, so if you want to experiment new kinds of mass messaging I suggest you start small (e.g. 1000 messages) and check what impact they have before you proceed with many thousands. For very large deliveries (over 10k targets) you may want to check a sample of your targets to see if they've been messaged by others recently, to avoid fatigue.
Federico
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org effe iets anders mailto:effeietsanders@gmail.com 3 September 2019 at 9:21 pm Hi Michael,
Thanks, this is helpful to document. If you would be willing to update/expand the documentation here, that would be great: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentatio...
In general, this is the place where we try to collect these best practices: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentatio...
Best, Lodewijk
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org Michael Maggs mailto:Michael@maggs.name 3 September 2019 at 8:19 pm I just copied and edited the original template for the UK situation. Here's the UK version:
https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38769
Just stepping through what to do:
Fork the above query, using the Fork button
Change both sections of yellow text to relate to your situation,
the first with your old Commons categories and the single line underneath with your current category. Note that you need the underlines between the words; spaces won't work
- Copy the results. If too many, download as csv, then open in a text
editor, to get raw text with one entry per line
- Use the results as the target for a mass message on Commons.
Unless you're an admin, you'll need help doing that, as non-admins are limited in the number of messages they can send.
4a. Start a new page on Commons, in your own userspace. Set out the subject line and body text of the message you want to send. Also include the list of targets. My example page is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelMaggs/WLM-UK2019Message
4b. Post a request to the Commons Administrator's noticeboard (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard) for an admin to send the message for you. Here's my request: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_no...
4c. If all's OK, a friendly admin will be along soon to complete the messaging.
Hope that helps
Michael
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org Neville Borg mailto:neville.borg@wikimalta.org 3 September 2019 at 7:50 pm This sounds fantastic. Is there a foolproof way to do this for those of us with no knowledge of SQL? :)
I've changed the categories to WLM in Malta, as appropriate. Is there anything else I need to change?
Neville
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Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org Michael Maggs mailto:Michael@maggs.name 3 September 2019 at 4:53 pm This was really useful information. Thanks!
I have used a modified version of this to invite 2500 people on Commons who previously contributed to WLM in the UK.
Regards
Michael
Michael Maggs, 05/09/19 22:49:
I wonder whether you'd be able to construct a sample Quarry query based on https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38807 that could be used on the English Wikipedia?
I could, but such things tend to become more difficult at the scale of the English Wikipedia. Already on the Italian Wikipedia some queries need to be simplified or they time out. So it's important to have in mind what audience is a priority and can have the most impact.
For a list of just 53 places, as you shared, it should be doable.
Federico
If you had time to do a Quarry query pulling out editors for those 53 articles that would be great to use as an example we could document. People could use that as a basis for all sorts of focussed WP targeting.
Michael
On 5 Sep 2019, at 23:59, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Michael Maggs, 05/09/19 22:49:
I wonder whether you'd be able to construct a sample Quarry query based on https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38807 that could be used on the English Wikipedia?
I could, but such things tend to become more difficult at the scale of the English Wikipedia. Already on the Italian Wikipedia some queries need to be simplified or they time out. So it's important to have in mind what audience is a priority and can have the most impact.
For a list of just 53 places, as you shared, it should be doable.
Federico
Hey Michael,
I see that you added documentation at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentatio...
Does the query do subcategories or only the parent categories? (Sorry I don't speak SQL, so not sure where I would look for that).
Cheers,
Alex
On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 5:46 AM Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote:
If you had time to do a Quarry query pulling out editors for those 53 articles that would be great to use as an example we could document. People could use that as a basis for all sorts of focussed WP targeting.
Michael
On 5 Sep 2019, at 23:59, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com
wrote:
Michael Maggs, 05/09/19 22:49:
I wonder whether you'd be able to construct a sample Quarry query based
on https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38807 that could be used on the English Wikipedia?
I could, but such things tend to become more difficult at the scale of
the English Wikipedia. Already on the Italian Wikipedia some queries need to be simplified or they time out. So it's important to have in mind what audience is a priority and can have the most impact.
For a list of just 53 places, as you shared, it should be doable.
Federico
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Hi Alex,
Sorry, I’m not entirely sure as I simply copied & slightly modified the SQL that someone else had written. Maybe you could edit it for the cats you want to use, run it, and see what you get back?
Michael
On 18 Sep 2019, at 20:49, Alex Stinson astinson@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hey Michael,
I see that you added documentation at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentatio...
Does the query do subcategories or only the parent categories? (Sorry I don't speak SQL, so not sure where I would look for that).
Cheers,
Alex
On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 5:46 AM Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote: If you had time to do a Quarry query pulling out editors for those 53 articles that would be great to use as an example we could document. People could use that as a basis for all sorts of focussed WP targeting.
Michael
On 5 Sep 2019, at 23:59, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Michael Maggs, 05/09/19 22:49:
I wonder whether you'd be able to construct a sample Quarry query based on https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38807 that could be used on the English Wikipedia?
I could, but such things tend to become more difficult at the scale of the English Wikipedia. Already on the Italian Wikipedia some queries need to be simplified or they time out. So it's important to have in mind what audience is a priority and can have the most impact.
For a list of just 53 places, as you shared, it should be doable.
Federico
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That really was super helpful, thank you so much!! Marta
Il 2019-09-03 21:19 Michael Maggs ha scritto:
I just copied and edited the original template for the UK situation. Here's the UK version:
https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38769
Just stepping through what to do:
Fork the above query, using the Fork button
Change both sections of yellow text to relate to your situation,
the first with your old Commons categories and the single line underneath with your current category. Note that you need the underlines between the words; spaces won't work
- Copy the results. If too many, download as csv, then open in a text
editor, to get raw text with one entry per line
- Use the results as the target for a mass message on Commons.
Unless you're an admin, you'll need help doing that, as non-admins are limited in the number of messages they can send.
4a. Start a new page on Commons, in your own userspace. Set out the subject line and body text of the message you want to send. Also include the list of targets. My example page is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelMaggs/WLM-UK2019Message
4b. Post a request to the Commons Administrator's noticeboard (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard) for an admin to send the message for you. Here's my request: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_no...
4c. If all's OK, a friendly admin will be along soon to complete the messaging.
Hope that helps
Michael
Neville Borg 3 September 2019 at 7:50 pm
This sounds fantastic. Is there a foolproof way to do this for those of us with no knowledge of SQL? :)
I've changed the categories to WLM in Malta, as appropriate. Is there anything else I need to change?
Neville
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Michael Maggs 3 September 2019 at 4:53 pm
This was really useful information. Thanks!
I have used a modified version of this to invite 2500 people on Commons who previously contributed to WLM in the UK.
Regards
Michael
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