Hi Nemo
That's really great.
I just love it when Wikimedians pick up on a suggestion and share more
and better ways of doing stuff (and then we go off and document it on wiki!)
I've expanded the documentation page
to help those who don't know SQL or Quarry to send a simple Commons message.
You've done some more sophisticated stuff, sending messages to Wikipedia
talk pages, and it would be good to document that in an easy-to-follow
way, as well. I wonder whether you'd be able to construct a sample
Quarry query based on
that could
be used on the English Wikipedia?
It would be good, also, to have a query that focuses on most-needed
articles that don't yet have an image. A Quarry query, for example, that
extracts users who have edited these articles:
* English and Welsh Grade I listed sites with articles on the English
Wikipedia that lack an illustration:
Federico Leva (Nemo)
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5 September 2019 at 8:00 am
Thank you, I've added a few links over there.
Another strategy I used in the past is to message (Wikipedia) users
related to places which take part in WLM:
https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38807
This has the advantage that you can send a more personal/interesting
message which mentions a topic they're interested in, see for instance:
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Zwobot24
It works in Italy because users are often frustrated by the lack of
monuments in their area (for the well known legal issues), so they may
miss that new places have been added. To avoid sending a lot of
irrelevant messages I focused on users with relatively few
contributions but very focused on a relevant place; you may also want
to target places without photos, or whatever priorities you have.
Mass messages were likely responsible for the small peaks of attention
on September 12, 13 and 21 last year:
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=it.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2018-09-01&end=2018-09-30&pages=Progetto:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2018/Monumenti>
However I don't remember exactly how many of those users actually
proceeded to upload something, so if you want to experiment new kinds
of mass messaging I suggest you start small (e.g. 1000 messages) and
check what impact they have before you proceed with many thousands.
For very large deliveries (over 10k targets) you may want to check a
sample of your targets to see if they've been messaged by others
recently, to avoid fatigue.
Federico
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effe iets anders <mailto:effeietsanders@gmail.com>
3 September 2019 at 9:21 pm
Hi Michael,
Thanks, this is helpful to document. If you would be willing to
update/expand the documentation here, that would be great:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentati…
In general, this is the place where we try to collect these best
practices:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Documentati…
Best,
Lodewijk
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Michael Maggs <mailto:Michael@maggs.name>
3 September 2019 at 8:19 pm
I just copied and edited the original template for the UK situation.
Here's the UK version:
https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/38769
Just stepping through what to do:
1. Fork the above query, using the Fork button
2. Change both sections of yellow text to relate to your situation,
the first with your old Commons categories and the single line
underneath with your current category. Note that you need the
underlines between the words; spaces won't work
3. Copy the results. If too many, download as csv, then open in a text
editor, to get raw text with one entry per line
4. Use the results as the target for a mass message on Commons.
Unless you're an admin, you'll need help doing that, as non-admins are
limited in the number of messages they can send.
4a. Start a new page on Commons, in your own userspace. Set out the
subject line and body text of the message you want to send. Also
include the list of targets. My example page is here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelMaggs/WLM-UK2019Message
4b. Post a request to the Commons Administrator's noticeboard
(
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard)
for an admin to send the message for you. Here's my request:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_n…
4c. If all's OK, a friendly admin will be along soon to complete the
messaging.
Hope that helps
Michael
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Neville Borg <mailto:neville.borg@wikimalta.org>
3 September 2019 at 7:50 pm
This sounds fantastic. Is there a foolproof way to do this for those
of us with no knowledge of SQL? :)
I've changed the categories to WLM in Malta, as appropriate. Is there
anything else I need to change?
Neville
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Michael Maggs <mailto:Michael@maggs.name>
3 September 2019 at 4:53 pm
This was really useful information. Thanks!
I have used a modified version of this to invite 2500 people on
Commons who previously contributed to WLM in the UK.
Regards
Michael