Dear monument clickers,
the WLM international team has drafted prizes for the international and will be happy to re- work if anyone has any suggestions! So far, we have been buying vouchers for the Prize winners which didn’t work well previous year as the contest went global. We had to take help from Chapters and Individuals to buy vouchers for the winners, and then reimburse them from the international budget. That was very time consuming at most of the ends.
We would welcome if you got any suggestions. If you would agree that giving out vouchers is the best process and we should continue that, do also let us know that.
The (draft) prizes for the 2013 contest will be as follows:
Rank
Prizes (probably in the form of vouchers)
Remarks
1st Prize
Wikimania (London)
~ 2.000,00 Euros (estimation)
2nd Prize
500 Euros
3rd Prize
400 Euros
4th Prize
300 Euros
5th Prize
200 Euros
6th Prize
100 Euros
7th Prize
100 Euros
8th Prize
50 Euros
9th Prize
50 Euros
10th Prize
50 Euros
11th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
12th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
13th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
14th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
15th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
TOTAL
3.000,00 Euros
At 4.000,00, the Prize budget is almost cool.
* Estimation is from a Asian country, and that includes accommodation charges.
^ New entry means that the prizes was not awarded previous year. The WLM international team felt that, as we grow, the number of prizes we shall also grow up!
Regards, Karthik Nadar. On behalf of WLM international team.
Correction!!
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Karthik Nadar karthikndr@wikimedia.inwrote:
Dear monument clickers,
the WLM international team has drafted prizes for the international and will be happy to re- work if anyone has any suggestions! So far, we have been buying vouchers for the Prize winners which didn’t work well previous year as the contest went global. We had to take help from Chapters and Individuals to buy vouchers for the winners, and then reimburse them from the international budget. That was very time consuming at most of the ends.
We would welcome if you got any suggestions. If you would agree that giving out vouchers is the best process and we should continue that, do also let us know that.
The (draft) prizes for the 2013 contest will be as follows:
Rank
Prizes (probably in the form of vouchers)
Remarks
1st Prize
Wikimania (London)
~ 2.000,00 Euros (estimation)
2nd Prize
500 Euros
3rd Prize
400 Euros
4th Prize
300 Euros
5th Prize
200 Euros
6th Prize
100 Euros
7th Prize
100 Euros
8th Prize
50 Euros
9th Prize
50 Euros
10th Prize
50 Euros
11th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
12th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
13th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
14th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
15th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
TOTAL
2.000,00 Euros (excluding Wikimania)
Grand total: 4.000,00 (including Wikimania)
- Estimation is from a Asian country, and that includes accommodation
charges.
^ New entry means that the prizes was not awarded previous year. The WLM international team felt that, as we grow, the number of prizes we shall also grow up!
Regards, Karthik Nadar. On behalf of WLM international team.
Hi Karthik,
thanks for sharing!
I am strongly of the opinion that we should be able to do better than vouchers (as we discussed). With so many national teams having experience with prizes, I hope we will be able to come up with something better.
The way monetary prizes are being received in different countries varies widely. Sometimes people expect just that, and they will use the money they get as prize to invest in their photography. That sounds totally fine, and that is also why a voucher system might be acceptable. However, putting an amount on a prize sounds so... simplistic. It feels a little like paying someone to make a photo - to make a contribution. Awarding something useful directly, feels better to me. As an example, in 2011 we were able to offer a few other prizes, such as a night in an art hotel in St. Petersburg and a tour flight off the most western point of Europe in Portugal. Both are however quite local and impossible to accept for someone living at a great distance without funds to travel there.
So what alternative prizes could there be, that are fairly location independent (at least serve a number of countries in the neighborhood), and have a similar value as suggested by Karthik? It is not bad to have a few continent-dependent prizes I guess, as long as there's a good distribution (because of the principle 'first prize winner gets first pick - he can choose the third prize too, if he likes).
Any input welcomed!
Lodewijk
2013/7/27 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@wikimedia.in
Correction!!
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Karthik Nadar karthikndr@wikimedia.inwrote:
Dear monument clickers,
the WLM international team has drafted prizes for the international and will be happy to re- work if anyone has any suggestions! So far, we have been buying vouchers for the Prize winners which didn’t work well previous year as the contest went global. We had to take help from Chapters and Individuals to buy vouchers for the winners, and then reimburse them from the international budget. That was very time consuming at most of the ends.
We would welcome if you got any suggestions. If you would agree that giving out vouchers is the best process and we should continue that, do also let us know that.
The (draft) prizes for the 2013 contest will be as follows:
Rank
Prizes (probably in the form of vouchers)
Remarks
1st Prize
Wikimania (London)
~ 2.000,00 Euros (estimation)
2nd Prize
500 Euros
3rd Prize
400 Euros
4th Prize
300 Euros
5th Prize
200 Euros
6th Prize
100 Euros
7th Prize
100 Euros
8th Prize
50 Euros
9th Prize
50 Euros
10th Prize
50 Euros
11th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
12th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
13th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
14th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
15th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
TOTAL
2.000,00 Euros (excluding Wikimania)
Grand total: 4.000,00 (including Wikimania)
- Estimation is from a Asian country, and that includes accommodation
charges.
^ New entry means that the prizes was not awarded previous year. The WLM international team felt that, as we grow, the number of prizes we shall also grow up!
Regards, Karthik Nadar. On behalf of WLM international team.
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
How about prizes like online backup? Some of the pro-alternatives are quite expensive. They would be very easy to pay for though and give someone access to. Actually not only backup, but all sorts of online services could be used.
*Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali*
Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48
2013/7/28 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Hi Karthik,
thanks for sharing!
I am strongly of the opinion that we should be able to do better than vouchers (as we discussed). With so many national teams having experience with prizes, I hope we will be able to come up with something better.
The way monetary prizes are being received in different countries varies widely. Sometimes people expect just that, and they will use the money they get as prize to invest in their photography. That sounds totally fine, and that is also why a voucher system might be acceptable. However, putting an amount on a prize sounds so... simplistic. It feels a little like paying someone to make a photo - to make a contribution. Awarding something useful directly, feels better to me. As an example, in 2011 we were able to offer a few other prizes, such as a night in an art hotel in St. Petersburg and a tour flight off the most western point of Europe in Portugal. Both are however quite local and impossible to accept for someone living at a great distance without funds to travel there.
So what alternative prizes could there be, that are fairly location independent (at least serve a number of countries in the neighborhood), and have a similar value as suggested by Karthik? It is not bad to have a few continent-dependent prizes I guess, as long as there's a good distribution (because of the principle 'first prize winner gets first pick - he can choose the third prize too, if he likes).
Any input welcomed!
Lodewijk
2013/7/27 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@wikimedia.in
Correction!!
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Karthik Nadar karthikndr@wikimedia.inwrote:
Dear monument clickers,
the WLM international team has drafted prizes for the international and will be happy to re- work if anyone has any suggestions! So far, we have been buying vouchers for the Prize winners which didn’t work well previous year as the contest went global. We had to take help from Chapters and Individuals to buy vouchers for the winners, and then reimburse them from the international budget. That was very time consuming at most of the ends.
We would welcome if you got any suggestions. If you would agree that giving out vouchers is the best process and we should continue that, do also let us know that.
The (draft) prizes for the 2013 contest will be as follows:
Rank
Prizes (probably in the form of vouchers)
Remarks
1st Prize
Wikimania (London)
~ 2.000,00 Euros (estimation)
2nd Prize
500 Euros
3rd Prize
400 Euros
4th Prize
300 Euros
5th Prize
200 Euros
6th Prize
100 Euros
7th Prize
100 Euros
8th Prize
50 Euros
9th Prize
50 Euros
10th Prize
50 Euros
11th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
12th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
13th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
14th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
15th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
TOTAL
2.000,00 Euros (excluding Wikimania)
Grand total: 4.000,00 (including Wikimania)
- Estimation is from a Asian country, and that includes accommodation
charges.
^ New entry means that the prizes was not awarded previous year. The WLM international team felt that, as we grow, the number of prizes we shall also grow up!
Regards, Karthik Nadar. On behalf of WLM international team.
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Do you have specific suggestions of those that don't clash too much with the open spirit community and are specifically handy to photographers?
Lodewijk
2013/7/28 Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se
How about prizes like online backup? Some of the pro-alternatives are quite expensive. They would be very easy to pay for though and give someone access to. Actually not only backup, but all sorts of online services could be used.
*Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali*
Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverigehttp://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
0729 - 67 29 48
2013/7/28 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Hi Karthik,
thanks for sharing!
I am strongly of the opinion that we should be able to do better than vouchers (as we discussed). With so many national teams having experience with prizes, I hope we will be able to come up with something better.
The way monetary prizes are being received in different countries varies widely. Sometimes people expect just that, and they will use the money they get as prize to invest in their photography. That sounds totally fine, and that is also why a voucher system might be acceptable. However, putting an amount on a prize sounds so... simplistic. It feels a little like paying someone to make a photo - to make a contribution. Awarding something useful directly, feels better to me. As an example, in 2011 we were able to offer a few other prizes, such as a night in an art hotel in St. Petersburg and a tour flight off the most western point of Europe in Portugal. Both are however quite local and impossible to accept for someone living at a great distance without funds to travel there.
So what alternative prizes could there be, that are fairly location independent (at least serve a number of countries in the neighborhood), and have a similar value as suggested by Karthik? It is not bad to have a few continent-dependent prizes I guess, as long as there's a good distribution (because of the principle 'first prize winner gets first pick - he can choose the third prize too, if he likes).
Any input welcomed!
Lodewijk
2013/7/27 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@wikimedia.in
Correction!!
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Karthik Nadar <karthikndr@wikimedia.in
wrote:
Dear monument clickers,
the WLM international team has drafted prizes for the international and will be happy to re- work if anyone has any suggestions! So far, we have been buying vouchers for the Prize winners which didn’t work well previous year as the contest went global. We had to take help from Chapters and Individuals to buy vouchers for the winners, and then reimburse them from the international budget. That was very time consuming at most of the ends.
We would welcome if you got any suggestions. If you would agree that giving out vouchers is the best process and we should continue that, do also let us know that.
The (draft) prizes for the 2013 contest will be as follows:
Rank
Prizes (probably in the form of vouchers)
Remarks
1st Prize
Wikimania (London)
~ 2.000,00 Euros (estimation)
2nd Prize
500 Euros
3rd Prize
400 Euros
4th Prize
300 Euros
5th Prize
200 Euros
6th Prize
100 Euros
7th Prize
100 Euros
8th Prize
50 Euros
9th Prize
50 Euros
10th Prize
50 Euros
11th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
12th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
13th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
14th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
15th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
TOTAL
2.000,00 Euros (excluding Wikimania)
Grand total: 4.000,00 (including Wikimania)
- Estimation is from a Asian country, and that includes accommodation
charges.
^ New entry means that the prizes was not awarded previous year. The WLM international team felt that, as we grow, the number of prizes we shall also grow up!
Regards, Karthik Nadar. On behalf of WLM international team.
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
I am not sure what would clash, but some obvious options are upgrades on Ubuntu One, Flickr or Dropbox.
Do you have any examples on services that would clash with an open spirit community?
*Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali*
Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48
2013/7/28 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Do you have specific suggestions of those that don't clash too much with the open spirit community and are specifically handy to photographers?
Lodewijk
2013/7/28 Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se
How about prizes like online backup? Some of the pro-alternatives are quite expensive. They would be very easy to pay for though and give someone access to. Actually not only backup, but all sorts of online services could be used.
*Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali*
Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverigehttp://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
0729 - 67 29 48
2013/7/28 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Hi Karthik,
thanks for sharing!
I am strongly of the opinion that we should be able to do better than vouchers (as we discussed). With so many national teams having experience with prizes, I hope we will be able to come up with something better.
The way monetary prizes are being received in different countries varies widely. Sometimes people expect just that, and they will use the money they get as prize to invest in their photography. That sounds totally fine, and that is also why a voucher system might be acceptable. However, putting an amount on a prize sounds so... simplistic. It feels a little like paying someone to make a photo - to make a contribution. Awarding something useful directly, feels better to me. As an example, in 2011 we were able to offer a few other prizes, such as a night in an art hotel in St. Petersburg and a tour flight off the most western point of Europe in Portugal. Both are however quite local and impossible to accept for someone living at a great distance without funds to travel there.
So what alternative prizes could there be, that are fairly location independent (at least serve a number of countries in the neighborhood), and have a similar value as suggested by Karthik? It is not bad to have a few continent-dependent prizes I guess, as long as there's a good distribution (because of the principle 'first prize winner gets first pick - he can choose the third prize too, if he likes).
Any input welcomed!
Lodewijk
2013/7/27 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@wikimedia.in
Correction!!
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Karthik Nadar < karthikndr@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Dear monument clickers,
the WLM international team has drafted prizes for the international and will be happy to re- work if anyone has any suggestions! So far, we have been buying vouchers for the Prize winners which didn’t work well previous year as the contest went global. We had to take help from Chapters and Individuals to buy vouchers for the winners, and then reimburse them from the international budget. That was very time consuming at most of the ends.
We would welcome if you got any suggestions. If you would agree that giving out vouchers is the best process and we should continue that, do also let us know that.
The (draft) prizes for the 2013 contest will be as follows:
Rank
Prizes (probably in the form of vouchers)
Remarks
1st Prize
Wikimania (London)
~ 2.000,00 Euros (estimation)
2nd Prize
500 Euros
3rd Prize
400 Euros
4th Prize
300 Euros
5th Prize
200 Euros
6th Prize
100 Euros
7th Prize
100 Euros
8th Prize
50 Euros
9th Prize
50 Euros
10th Prize
50 Euros
11th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
12th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
13th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
14th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
15th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
TOTAL
2.000,00 Euros (excluding Wikimania)
Grand total: 4.000,00 (including Wikimania)
- Estimation is from a Asian country, and that includes accommodation
charges.
^ New entry means that the prizes was not awarded previous year. The WLM international team felt that, as we grow, the number of prizes we shall also grow up!
Regards, Karthik Nadar. On behalf of WLM international team.
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
In the past we did for example receive a lot of criticism when using Apple products or courses for non-open source software. I could for example imagine offering a license on PhotoShop Pro, but I suspect that would cause some criticism - even though it would possibly be useful to the photographers.
Lodewijk
2013/7/28 Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se
I am not sure what would clash, but some obvious options are upgrades on Ubuntu One, Flickr or Dropbox.
Do you have any examples on services that would clash with an open spirit community?
*Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali*
Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverigehttp://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
0729 - 67 29 48
2013/7/28 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Do you have specific suggestions of those that don't clash too much with the open spirit community and are specifically handy to photographers?
Lodewijk
2013/7/28 Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se
How about prizes like online backup? Some of the pro-alternatives are quite expensive. They would be very easy to pay for though and give someone access to. Actually not only backup, but all sorts of online services could be used.
*Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali*
Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverigehttp://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
0729 - 67 29 48
2013/7/28 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Hi Karthik,
thanks for sharing!
I am strongly of the opinion that we should be able to do better than vouchers (as we discussed). With so many national teams having experience with prizes, I hope we will be able to come up with something better.
The way monetary prizes are being received in different countries varies widely. Sometimes people expect just that, and they will use the money they get as prize to invest in their photography. That sounds totally fine, and that is also why a voucher system might be acceptable. However, putting an amount on a prize sounds so... simplistic. It feels a little like paying someone to make a photo - to make a contribution. Awarding something useful directly, feels better to me. As an example, in 2011 we were able to offer a few other prizes, such as a night in an art hotel in St. Petersburg and a tour flight off the most western point of Europe in Portugal. Both are however quite local and impossible to accept for someone living at a great distance without funds to travel there.
So what alternative prizes could there be, that are fairly location independent (at least serve a number of countries in the neighborhood), and have a similar value as suggested by Karthik? It is not bad to have a few continent-dependent prizes I guess, as long as there's a good distribution (because of the principle 'first prize winner gets first pick - he can choose the third prize too, if he likes).
Any input welcomed!
Lodewijk
2013/7/27 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@wikimedia.in
Correction!!
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Karthik Nadar < karthikndr@wikimedia.in> wrote:
Dear monument clickers,
the WLM international team has drafted prizes for the international and will be happy to re- work if anyone has any suggestions! So far, we have been buying vouchers for the Prize winners which didn’t work well previous year as the contest went global. We had to take help from Chapters and Individuals to buy vouchers for the winners, and then reimburse them from the international budget. That was very time consuming at most of the ends.
We would welcome if you got any suggestions. If you would agree that giving out vouchers is the best process and we should continue that, do also let us know that.
The (draft) prizes for the 2013 contest will be as follows:
Rank
Prizes (probably in the form of vouchers)
Remarks
1st Prize
Wikimania (London)
~ 2.000,00 Euros (estimation)
2nd Prize
500 Euros
3rd Prize
400 Euros
4th Prize
300 Euros
5th Prize
200 Euros
6th Prize
100 Euros
7th Prize
100 Euros
8th Prize
50 Euros
9th Prize
50 Euros
10th Prize
50 Euros
11th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
12th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
13th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
14th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
15th Prize
50 Euros
New entry^
TOTAL
2.000,00 Euros (excluding Wikimania)
Grand total: 4.000,00 (including Wikimania)
- Estimation is from a Asian country, and that includes accommodation
charges.
^ New entry means that the prizes was not awarded previous year. The WLM international team felt that, as we grow, the number of prizes we shall also grow up!
Regards, Karthik Nadar. On behalf of WLM international team.
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.orgwrote:
In the past we did for example receive a lot of criticism when using Apple products or courses for non-open source software. I could for example imagine offering a license on PhotoShop Pro, but I suspect that would cause some criticism - even though it would possibly be useful to the photographers.
Hi Lodewijk, I can understand the criticism, and would actually be on the side of those preferring Free Software [?] but that is just my opinion.
To avoid any clash, we can offer photography courses, not necessarily associated with software. For example, we can examine the courses at:
http://www.creativelive.com/photography
I have attended the free version of some of their courses and they are very good. I am sure there will be a course of interest for every winner.
Regards Mónica Mora
Lodewijk
2013/7/28 Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se
I am not sure what would clash, but some obvious options are upgrades on Ubuntu One, Flickr or Dropbox.
Do you have any examples on services that would clash with an open spirit community?
*Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali*
Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverigehttp://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
0729 - 67 29 48
2013/7/28 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Do you have specific suggestions of those that don't clash too much with the open spirit community and are specifically handy to photographers?
Lodewijk
2013/7/28 Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se
How about prizes like online backup? Some of the pro-alternatives are quite expensive. They would be very easy to pay for though and give someone access to. Actually not only backup, but all sorts of online services could be used.
*Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali*
Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverigehttp://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
0729 - 67 29 48
2013/7/28 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Hi Karthik,
thanks for sharing!
I am strongly of the opinion that we should be able to do better than vouchers (as we discussed). With so many national teams having experience with prizes, I hope we will be able to come up with something better.
The way monetary prizes are being received in different countries varies widely. Sometimes people expect just that, and they will use the money they get as prize to invest in their photography. That sounds totally fine, and that is also why a voucher system might be acceptable. However, putting an amount on a prize sounds so... simplistic. It feels a little like paying someone to make a photo - to make a contribution. Awarding something useful directly, feels better to me. As an example, in 2011 we were able to offer a few other prizes, such as a night in an art hotel in St. Petersburg and a tour flight off the most western point of Europe in Portugal. Both are however quite local and impossible to accept for someone living at a great distance without funds to travel there.
So what alternative prizes could there be, that are fairly location independent (at least serve a number of countries in the neighborhood), and have a similar value as suggested by Karthik? It is not bad to have a few continent-dependent prizes I guess, as long as there's a good distribution (because of the principle 'first prize winner gets first pick - he can choose the third prize too, if he likes).
Any input welcomed!
Lodewijk
2013/7/27 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@wikimedia.in
Correction!!
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Karthik Nadar < karthikndr@wikimedia.in> wrote:
> Dear monument clickers, > > the WLM international team has drafted prizes for the international > and will be happy to re- work if anyone has any suggestions! So far, we > have been buying vouchers for the Prize winners which didn’t work well > previous year as the contest went global. We had to take help from Chapters > and Individuals to buy vouchers for the winners, and then reimburse them > from the international budget. That was very time consuming at most of the > ends. > > We would welcome if you got any suggestions. If you would agree that > giving out vouchers is the best process and we should continue that, do > also let us know that. > > The (draft) prizes for the 2013 contest will be as follows: > > Rank > > Prizes (probably in the form of vouchers) > > Remarks > > 1st Prize > > Wikimania (London) > > ~ 2.000,00 Euros (estimation) > > 2nd Prize > > 500 Euros > > 3rd Prize > > 400 Euros > > 4th Prize > > 300 Euros > > 5th Prize > > 200 Euros > > 6th Prize > > 100 Euros > > 7th Prize > > 100 Euros > > 8th Prize > > 50 Euros > > 9th Prize > > 50 Euros > > 10th Prize > > 50 Euros > > 11th Prize > > 50 Euros > > New entry^ > > 12th Prize > > 50 Euros > > New entry^ > > 13th Prize > > 50 Euros > > New entry^ > > 14th Prize > > 50 Euros > > New entry^ > > 15th Prize > > 50 Euros > > New entry^ > > TOTAL > > 2.000,00 Euros (excluding Wikimania) > > Grand total: 4.000,00 (including Wikimania) > > * Estimation is from a Asian country, and that includes > accommodation charges. > > ^ New entry means that the prizes was not awarded previous year. The > WLM international team felt that, as we grow, the number of prizes we shall > also grow up! > > > > > Regards, > Karthik Nadar. > On behalf of WLM international team. >
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Both Flickr and 500px are commercial companies which are supportive of CC-licensing photographs, so I think offering subscriptions or upgrades to these services would be reasonable. Others without active support for CC licensing would be less popular.
I like the idea of training courses, but this can be very location-specific and so may be better for local contests.
Andrew.
On 28 July 2013 19:43, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
In the past we did for example receive a lot of criticism when using Apple products or courses for non-open source software. I could for example imagine offering a license on PhotoShop Pro, but I suspect that would cause some criticism - even though it would possibly be useful to the photographers.
Lodewijk
2013/7/28 Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se
I am not sure what would clash, but some obvious options are upgrades on Ubuntu One, Flickr or Dropbox.
Do you have any examples on services that would clash with an open spirit community?
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2013/7/28 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Do you have specific suggestions of those that don't clash too much with the open spirit community and are specifically handy to photographers?
Lodewijk
2013/7/28 Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se
How about prizes like online backup? Some of the pro-alternatives are quite expensive. They would be very easy to pay for though and give someone access to. Actually not only backup, but all sorts of online services could be used.
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2013/7/28 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Hi Karthik,
thanks for sharing!
I am strongly of the opinion that we should be able to do better than vouchers (as we discussed). With so many national teams having experience with prizes, I hope we will be able to come up with something better.
The way monetary prizes are being received in different countries varies widely. Sometimes people expect just that, and they will use the money they get as prize to invest in their photography. That sounds totally fine, and that is also why a voucher system might be acceptable. However, putting an amount on a prize sounds so... simplistic. It feels a little like paying someone to make a photo - to make a contribution. Awarding something useful directly, feels better to me. As an example, in 2011 we were able to offer a few other prizes, such as a night in an art hotel in St. Petersburg and a tour flight off the most western point of Europe in Portugal. Both are however quite local and impossible to accept for someone living at a great distance without funds to travel there.
So what alternative prizes could there be, that are fairly location independent (at least serve a number of countries in the neighborhood), and have a similar value as suggested by Karthik? It is not bad to have a few continent-dependent prizes I guess, as long as there's a good distribution (because of the principle 'first prize winner gets first pick - he can choose the third prize too, if he likes).
Any input welcomed!
Lodewijk
2013/7/27 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@wikimedia.in
Correction!!
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Karthik Nadar < karthikndr@wikimedia.in> wrote:
> Dear monument clickers, > > the WLM international team has drafted prizes for the international > and will be happy to re- work if anyone has any suggestions! So far, we > have been buying vouchers for the Prize winners which didn’t work well > previous year as the contest went global. We had to take help from Chapters > and Individuals to buy vouchers for the winners, and then reimburse them > from the international budget. That was very time consuming at most of the > ends. > > We would welcome if you got any suggestions. If you would agree that > giving out vouchers is the best process and we should continue that, do > also let us know that. > > The (draft) prizes for the 2013 contest will be as follows: > > Rank > > Prizes (probably in the form of vouchers) > > Remarks > > 1st Prize > > Wikimania (London) > > ~ 2.000,00 Euros (estimation) > > 2nd Prize > > 500 Euros > > 3rd Prize > > 400 Euros > > 4th Prize > > 300 Euros > > 5th Prize > > 200 Euros > > 6th Prize > > 100 Euros > > 7th Prize > > 100 Euros > > 8th Prize > > 50 Euros > > 9th Prize > > 50 Euros > > 10th Prize > > 50 Euros > > 11th Prize > > 50 Euros > > New entry^ > > 12th Prize > > 50 Euros > > New entry^ > > 13th Prize > > 50 Euros > > New entry^ > > 14th Prize > > 50 Euros > > New entry^ > > 15th Prize > > 50 Euros > > New entry^ > > TOTAL > > 2.000,00 Euros (excluding Wikimania) > > Grand total: 4.000,00 (including Wikimania) > > * Estimation is from a Asian country, and that includes > accommodation charges. > > ^ New entry means that the prizes was not awarded previous year. The > WLM international team felt that, as we grow, the number of prizes we shall > also grow up! > > > > > Regards, > Karthik Nadar. > On behalf of WLM international team. >
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If paying for an online backup service, I would suggest tarsnap. The backups are encrypted from the user computer, its source code is available (with an unfree license, but that's far more than most services) and a reasonable price (50€ = $66.40 would provide a credit of 221 GB/month). The author (Colin Percival) is a FreeBSD hacker, which I consider better than paying for that to a greedy company.
However, it has the big downside of not having a friendly interface. :(
As photographers are likely to have a lot of data, I think it is worth looking at the "online backup" idea, but I would prefer if that extra storage was provided by the company as a sponsorship, rather than buying it from a company of our choice.
On 28/07/13 19:19, Lodewijk wrote:
Do you have specific suggestions of those that don't clash too much with the open spirit community and are specifically handy to photographers?
Lodewijk
2013/7/28 Jan Ainali:
How about prizes like online backup? Some of the pro-alternatives are quite expensive. They would be very easy to pay for though and give someone access to. Actually not only backup, but all sorts of online services could be used. /Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali/
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