Hi all;
I'm emijrp, a Wikipedia user from Spain. I'm working on the lists of my country. You can see the structure here.[1] I'm not sure how other countries are going to create their lists, but, if my way is useful, it would be great.
Regards, emijrp
[1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Spain...
Hi.
Question: Shouldn't the lists be created on Wikipedia?
Cheers, Gonçalo
Hi Goethe;
In Spain we speak many languages: ca:, es:, eu:, gl:, and some more. Every Wikipedia has some lists about monuments, but with different items and/or different columns per table.
I prefer to work on these (unified) lists on Commons, and then, we copy the images to the articles in the Spain several languages.
Regards, emijrp
2011/2/11 GoEthe.wiki goethe.wiki@gmail.com
Hi.
Question: Shouldn't the lists be created on Wikipedia?
Cheers, Gonçalo
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Hi,
I dont know if this is in scope with Commons - but if it is, be bold and do it there (I'll leave that question to the commons specialists). Otherwise you could of course do the same taking one language as core project and copying it to the others from there - but I can imagine that is politically sensitive.
I would suggest to add some more information in the templates, even though you dont have that info yet. For example: year that the building was built, architect and address. If you dont have the info, leave it blank, but then people can add the info if they like.
Best,
Lodewijk
2011/2/11 emijrp emijrp@gmail.com:
Hi Goethe;
In Spain we speak many languages: ca:, es:, eu:, gl:, and some more. Every Wikipedia has some lists about monuments, but with different items and/or different columns per table.
I prefer to work on these (unified) lists on Commons, and then, we copy the images to the articles in the Spain several languages.
Regards, emijrp
2011/2/11 GoEthe.wiki goethe.wiki@gmail.com
Hi.
Question: Shouldn't the lists be created on Wikipedia?
Cheers, Gonçalo
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I think that to take one language as a core is problematic because there are some wikipedias of Spanish languages (an, ext, ast, eu, ca, oc, es, gl). We could make the list of the territory of each language first at this wikipedia, but it's a problem because there aren't volunters who speak all these languages. I think that the lists on commons is a good idea and later we could move the list to the other projects. However, I'm doing some list now at Catalan wikipedia, but I speak catalan, but not euskera or aragonese. Moreover, the project is on commons, I see normal working also on it.
Millars
From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:52:34 +0100 To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Working on Spain lists
Hi,
I dont know if this is in scope with Commons - but if it is, be bold and do it there (I'll leave that question to the commons specialists). Otherwise you could of course do the same taking one language as core project and copying it to the others from there - but I can imagine that is politically sensitive.
I would suggest to add some more information in the templates, even though you dont have that info yet. For example: year that the building was built, architect and address. If you dont have the info, leave it blank, but then people can add the info if they like.
Best,
Lodewijk
2011/2/11 emijrp emijrp@gmail.com:
Hi Goethe;
In Spain we speak many languages: ca:, es:, eu:, gl:, and some more. Every Wikipedia has some lists about monuments, but with different items and/or different columns per table.
I prefer to work on these (unified) lists on Commons, and then, we copy the images to the articles in the Spain several languages.
Regards, emijrp
2011/2/11 GoEthe.wiki goethe.wiki@gmail.com
Hi.
Question: Shouldn't the lists be created on Wikipedia?
Cheers, Gonçalo
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On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 05:22:51PM +0100, Santiago Navarro Sanz wrote:
I think that to take one language as a core is problematic because there are some wikipedias of Spanish languages (an, ext, ast, eu, ca, oc, es, gl). We could make the list of the territory of each language first at this wikipedia, but it's a problem because there aren't volunters who speak all these languages. I think that the lists on commons is a good idea and later we could move the list to the other projects. However, I'm doing some list now at Catalan wikipedia, but I speak catalan, but not euskera or aragonese. Moreover, the project is on commons, I see normal working also on it.
Millars
Another option could be to just use the english wikipedia as the base.
Regards,
Andre Koopal
From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:52:34 +0100 To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Working on Spain lists
Hi,
I dont know if this is in scope with Commons - but if it is, be bold and do it there (I'll leave that question to the commons specialists). Otherwise you could of course do the same taking one language as core project and copying it to the others from there - but I can imagine that is politically sensitive.
I would suggest to add some more information in the templates, even though you dont have that info yet. For example: year that the building was built, architect and address. If you dont have the info, leave it blank, but then people can add the info if they like.
Best,
Lodewijk
2011/2/11 emijrp emijrp@gmail.com:
Hi Goethe;
In Spain we speak many languages: ca:, es:, eu:, gl:, and some more. Every Wikipedia has some lists about monuments, but with different items and/or different columns per table.
I prefer to work on these (unified) lists on Commons, and then, we copy the images to the articles in the Spain several languages.
Regards, emijrp
2011/2/11 GoEthe.wiki goethe.wiki@gmail.com
Hi.
Question: Shouldn't the lists be created on Wikipedia?
Cheers, Gon?alo
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Le 12/02/2011 21:03, Andre Koopal a écrit :
Another option could be to just use the english wikipedia as the base.
Regards,
Andre Koopal
If you have various languages in your country, you have to support all of them. Imagine if people are not comfortable with English, or don't speak it ?
We should prepar a list by country, with a standard translation (metadata). By this, everybody can have a look on this list, at last if we manage to have complete lists, without errors (we are trying...).
Regards,
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 09:14:35PM +0100, Beno?t Evellin wrote:
Le 12/02/2011 21:03, Andre Koopal a ?crit :
Another option could be to just use the english wikipedia as the base.
Regards,
Andre Koopal
If you have various languages in your country, you have to support all of them. Imagine if people are not comfortable with English, or don't speak it ?
I can completely understand that. But on commons you are probably also work in english for the first lists, and from there work on the translations.
We should prepar a list by country, with a standard translation (metadata). By this, everybody can have a look on this list, at last if we manage to have complete lists, without errors (we are trying...).
Sure, I just tried to think along. If using spanish as the base for the lists, english might be a save compromise, that was only the idea, should the people from commons consider this to much out of scope.
Regards,
Andre
Regards,
-- Beno?t Evellin [[User:Trizek]] Member of Wikim?dia France www.wikimedia.fr
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2011/2/12 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
Hi,
I dont know if this is in scope with Commons - but if it is, be bold and do it there (I'll leave that question to the commons specialists). Otherwise you could of course do the same taking one language as core project and copying it to the others from there - but I can imagine that is politically sensitive.
I would suggest to add some more information in the templates, even though you dont have that info yet. For example: year that the building was built, architect and address. If you dont have the info, leave it blank, but then people can add the info if they like.
I am just wondering if it is technically possible to create a wiki-table with 60 000 entries (or more - as in Germany as I remember the list has 250 000 + entries) - and even if it is technically possible - effective maintaining and browsing such a table is going to be really hard... I guess - if geotagging is available it would be more clever to organise a POI-style data-base which could be used as a slice on Google maps and/or OSM. One could then choose of his/her starting point and see on the map all monuments.
Hi,
if it is possible to create it, it is impossible to load it without craching your browser.
In NL we split up the table to a municipality level, and where possible even further. In some cities we even ended up on street level. As long as there is a good category and linking structure, that should be doable and scalable. Does that answer your question?
Lodewijk
2011/2/12 Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com:
2011/2/12 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
Hi,
I dont know if this is in scope with Commons - but if it is, be bold and do it there (I'll leave that question to the commons specialists). Otherwise you could of course do the same taking one language as core project and copying it to the others from there - but I can imagine that is politically sensitive.
I would suggest to add some more information in the templates, even though you dont have that info yet. For example: year that the building was built, architect and address. If you dont have the info, leave it blank, but then people can add the info if they like.
I am just wondering if it is technically possible to create a wiki-table with 60 000 entries (or more - as in Germany as I remember the list has 250 000 + entries) - and even if it is technically possible - effective maintaining and browsing such a table is going to be really hard... I guess - if geotagging is available it would be more clever to organise a POI-style data-base which could be used as a slice on Google maps and/or OSM. One could then choose of his/her starting point and see on the map all monuments.
-- Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz
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On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:50:19PM +0100, Lodewijk wrote:
Hi,
if it is possible to create it, it is impossible to load it without craching your browser.
In NL we split up the table to a municipality level, and where possible even further. In some cities we even ended up on street level. As long as there is a good category and linking structure, that should be doable and scalable. Does that answer your question?
If you want to have a better look start here:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijsten_van_rijksmonumenten_per_provincie
and navigate around a little bit, it will be clear quickly.
Regards,
Andre
Lodewijk
2011/2/12 Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com:
2011/2/12 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
Hi,
I dont know if this is in scope with Commons - but if it is, be bold and do it there (I'll leave that question to the commons specialists). Otherwise you could of course do the same taking one language as core project and copying it to the others from there - but I can imagine that is politically sensitive.
I would suggest to add some more information in the templates, even though you dont have that info yet. For example: year that the building was built, architect and address. If you dont have the info, leave it blank, but then people can add the info if they like.
I am just wondering if it is technically possible to create a wiki-table with 60 000 entries (or more - as in Germany as I remember the list has 250 000 + entries) - and even if it is technically possible - effective maintaining and browsing such a table is going to be really hard... ?I guess - if geotagging is available it would be more clever to organise a POI-style data-base which could be used as a slice on Google maps and/or OSM. One could then choose of his/her starting point and see on the map all monuments.
-- Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz
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2011/2/12 Andre Koopal andre@molens.org:
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:50:19PM +0100, Lodewijk wrote:
Hi,
if it is possible to create it, it is impossible to load it without craching your browser.
In NL we split up the table to a municipality level, and where possible even further. In some cities we even ended up on street level. As long as there is a good category and linking structure, that should be doable and scalable. Does that answer your question?
If you want to have a better look start here:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijsten_van_rijksmonumenten_per_provincie
and navigate around a little bit, it will be clear quickly.
It is really impresive... Have you done in manually or using a bot? I think it is rather work for bot if there is somwhere a source digital database.
Le 12/02/2011 22:54, Andre Koopal a écrit :
If you want to have a better look start here:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijsten_van_rijksmonumenten_per_provincie
and navigate around a little bit, it will be clear quickly.
As for France : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_monuments_historiques_par_d%C3%A9part...
I think we have the same system, maybe the most accurate.
The largest lists on nl-wiki where around 1200 or 1600 monuments (400-600kb)> with on a regular computer loading times form 30-100 sec. I tried once to make the list from amsterdam as 1 to split it up (7000 monuments). But every time you tried visiting it your browsers crashed. The lines for the tables in the dutch wiki where generated with a robot. Then we had them sorted by city, and with a little programm we generated the municipality lists. Then by hand we putted them al in lists on the dutch wiki. Taking around 10-30 minutes per list. Mainly al the links from the cityarticles and redirects took the most time. After that loads of people have filled in missing information. Building dates and Object descriptions. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:Rudolphous/RijksmonumentenTeller there you can find a counter which collects the data from the lists, so that you can see where there is work to be done. (at bottom of the page is most interessting data. If you have any questions about dutch structure of lists, or how we tackled other problems on the dutch project: feel free to ask. Mvg, Bas(vb)
From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 22:50:19 +0100 To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Working on Spain lists
Hi,
if it is possible to create it, it is impossible to load it without craching your browser.
In NL we split up the table to a municipality level, and where possible even further. In some cities we even ended up on street level. As long as there is a good category and linking structure, that should be doable and scalable. Does that answer your question?
Lodewijk
2011/2/12 Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com:
2011/2/12 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
Hi,
I dont know if this is in scope with Commons - but if it is, be bold and do it there (I'll leave that question to the commons specialists). Otherwise you could of course do the same taking one language as core project and copying it to the others from there - but I can imagine that is politically sensitive.
I would suggest to add some more information in the templates, even though you dont have that info yet. For example: year that the building was built, architect and address. If you dont have the info, leave it blank, but then people can add the info if they like.
I am just wondering if it is technically possible to create a wiki-table with 60 000 entries (or more - as in Germany as I remember the list has 250 000 + entries) - and even if it is technically possible - effective maintaining and browsing such a table is going to be really hard... I guess - if geotagging is available it would be more clever to organise a POI-style data-base which could be used as a slice on Google maps and/or OSM. One could then choose of his/her starting point and see on the map all monuments.
-- Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz
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Hi Emijrp,
Op 11-2-2011 16:55, emijrp schreef:
Hi all;
I'm emijrp, a Wikipedia user from Spain. I'm working on the lists of my country. You can see the structure here.[1] I'm not sure how other countries are going to create their lists, but, if my way is useful, it would be great.
Please don't build these lists at Commons, build them at the Spanish Wikipedia. The other languages (like Catalan) can do it too and we'll just integrate the data. That shouldn't be too hard (don't worry about fields having different names). I already made up how I wanted to do this for Switzerland (with English, German, French and Italian) just haven't published about it yet.
As for the fields, "coordinates" should be split into "lat" and "lon".
Maarten
Regards, emijrp
[1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Spain...
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But, why can't we do it on commons and later move it on wikipedia? Spanish Wikipedia =! Wikipedia of Spain
Millars
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:58:54 +0100 From: maarten@mdammers.nl To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Working on Spain lists
Hi Emijrp,
Op 11-2-2011 16:55, emijrp schreef: Hi all;
I'm emijrp, a Wikipedia user from Spain. I'm working on the lists of my country. You can see the structure here.[1] I'm not sure how other countries are going to create their lists, but, if my way is useful, it would be great.
Please don't build these lists at Commons, build them at the Spanish Wikipedia. The other languages (like Catalan) can do it too and we'll just integrate the data. That shouldn't be too hard (don't worry about fields having different names). I already made up how I wanted to do this for Switzerland (with English, German, French and Italian) just haven't published about it yet.
As for the fields, "coordinates" should be split into "lat" and "lon".
Maarten
Regards,
emijrp
[1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Spain...
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Hi Millars,
Op 13-2-2011 21:14, Santiago Navarro Sanz schreef:
But, why can't we do it on commons and later move it on wikipedia? Spanish Wikipedia =! Wikipedia of Spain
Because this kind of information should be on Wikipedia and is out of scope for Commons. Why did you add "Spanish Wikipedia =! Wikipedia of Spain"?
Maarten
Millars
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:58:54 +0100 From: maarten@mdammers.nl To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Working on Spain lists
Hi Emijrp,
Op 11-2-2011 16:55, emijrp schreef:
Hi all; I'm emijrp, a Wikipedia user from Spain. I'm working on the lists of my country. You can see the structure here.[1] I'm not sure how other countries are going to create their lists, but, if my way is useful, it would be great.Please don't build these lists at Commons, build them at the Spanish Wikipedia. The other languages (like Catalan) can do it too and we'll just integrate the data. That shouldn't be too hard (don't worry about fields having different names). I already made up how I wanted to do this for Switzerland (with English, German, French and Italian) just haven't published about it yet.
As for the fields, "coordinates" should be split into "lat" and "lon".
Maarten
Regards, emijrp [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Spain/List_of_Bienes_de_Inter%C3%A9s_Cultural_in_C%C3%A1diz _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu_______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
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Because it's true and you have said before we have to build them on Spanish Wikipedia, but the Contest is for Spain, in Spain are spoken more languages, not everybody from Spain works on Spanish Wikipedia. I am not so sure that this information is out of scope for Commons, were there are pages in adition of the categories about one thing.
Millars
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:28:58 +0100 From: maarten@mdammers.nl To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Working on Spain lists
Hi Millars,
Op 13-2-2011 21:14, Santiago Navarro Sanz schreef:
But, why can't we do it on commons and later move it on wikipedia? Spanish Wikipedia =! Wikipedia of Spain
Because this kind of information should be on Wikipedia and is out of scope for Commons. Why did you add "Spanish Wikipedia =! Wikipedia of Spain"?
Maarten
Millars
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:58:54 +0100
From: maarten@mdammers.nl
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Working on Spain lists
Hi Emijrp,
Op 11-2-2011 16:55, emijrp schreef: Hi all;
I'm emijrp, a Wikipedia user from Spain. I'm working on the lists of my country. You can see the structure here.[1] I'm not sure how other countries are going to create their lists, but, if my way is useful, it would be great.
Please don't build these lists at Commons, build them at the Spanish Wikipedia. The other languages (like Catalan) can do it too and we'll just integrate the data. That shouldn't be too hard (don't worry about fields having different names). I already made up how I wanted to do this for Switzerland (with English, German, French and Italian) just haven't published about it yet.
As for the fields, "coordinates" should be split into "lat" and "lon".
Maarten
Regards,
emijrp
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Well, you can also do in Wikimedia Spain wiki, if that is the problem.
The portuguese ones are in pt.wiki and I know dutch ones are in nl.wiki, but if Spanish people don't want that in es.wiki, you can do it in Wikimedia España website. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
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But, why can't we do it on commons and later move it on wikipedia? Spanish Wikipedia =! Wikipedia of Spain
Millars
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:58:54 +0100 From: maarten@mdammers.nl
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Working on Spain lists
Hi Emijrp,
Op 11-2-2011 16:55, emijrp schreef:
Hi all;
I'm emijrp, a Wikipedia user from Spain. I'm working on the lists of my country. You can see the structure here.[1] I'm not sure how other countries are going to create their lists, but, if my way is useful, it would be great.
Please don't build these lists at Commons, build them at the Spanish Wikipedia. The other languages (like Catalan) can do it too and we'll just integrate the data. That shouldn't be too hard (don't worry about fields having different names). I already made up how I wanted to do this for Switzerland (with English, German, French and Italian) just haven't published about it yet.
As for the fields, "coordinates" should be split into "lat" and "lon".
Maarten
Regards, emijrp
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WLM is only about making photos. Please, stop disturbing with useless tips and rules.
I want to create lists of Commons and upload photos there.
If I can't do that, I leave. That's all.
2011/2/13 Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl
Hi Emijrp,
Op 11-2-2011 16:55, emijrp schreef:
Hi all;
I'm emijrp, a Wikipedia user from Spain. I'm working on the lists of my country. You can see the structure here.[1] I'm not sure how other countries are going to create their lists, but, if my way is useful, it would be great.
Please don't build these lists at Commons, build them at the Spanish Wikipedia. The other languages (like Catalan) can do it too and we'll just integrate the data. That shouldn't be too hard (don't worry about fields having different names). I already made up how I wanted to do this for Switzerland (with English, German, French and Italian) just haven't published about it yet.
As for the fields, "coordinates" should be split into "lat" and "lon".
Maarten
Regards, emijrp
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Hi Emijrp,
thank you for your comment. I am sorry you find attempts to help "disturbing". As indicated before, there is a high degree of freedom in the organization for each country, but there are some valuable lessons to draw from last years edition in the Netherlands. One of them is that people need good lists, and that they find it very valuable to find these lists (and their photos) on Wikipedia. You can find a more thorough explanation of that in the post mortem.
Also, tools which can show objects in maps etc (hence the request for mark up on geo coordinates probably) are very helpful to people who are not as technically advanced as you are. To be able to share those tools, we need some level of consistency through the different editions.
With kind regards,
Lodewijk
2011/2/13 emijrp emijrp@gmail.com
WLM is only about making photos. Please, stop disturbing with useless tips and rules.
I want to create lists of Commons and upload photos there.
If I can't do that, I leave. That's all.
2011/2/13 Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl
Hi Emijrp,
Op 11-2-2011 16:55, emijrp schreef:
Hi all;
I'm emijrp, a Wikipedia user from Spain. I'm working on the lists of my country. You can see the structure here.[1] I'm not sure how other countries are going to create their lists, but, if my way is useful, it would be great.
Please don't build these lists at Commons, build them at the Spanish Wikipedia. The other languages (like Catalan) can do it too and we'll just integrate the data. That shouldn't be too hard (don't worry about fields having different names). I already made up how I wanted to do this for Switzerland (with English, German, French and Italian) just haven't published about it yet.
As for the fields, "coordinates" should be split into "lat" and "lon".
Maarten
Regards, emijrp
[1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Spain...
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On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:03:10PM +0100, emijrp wrote:
WLM is only about making photos. Please, stop disturbing with useless tips and rules.
In my humble opinion WLM is not only about making photos, it is about making the public aware of the monuments in their country, and getting better documention of those monuments, by having pictures, but also by having good information on them. What is the use of the pictures if nobody is using them.
In the Netherlands we notices that photographers were motivated by seeing the pictures appear on the lists in Wikipedia while they only uploaded them. That was all done semi-automatic based on the monument-number and some volunteers.
I want to create lists of Commons and upload photos there.
If I can't do that, I leave. That's all.
Would be very sorry if you think about it that way, I see the lists themself as valuable encyclopedic information, and that way it would fit any wikipedia.
Regards,
Andre
2011/2/13 Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl
Hi Emijrp,
Op 11-2-2011 16:55, emijrp schreef:
Hi all;
I'm emijrp, a Wikipedia user from Spain. I'm working on the lists of my country. You can see the structure here.[1] I'm not sure how other countries are going to create their lists, but, if my way is useful, it would be great.
Please don't build these lists at Commons, build them at the Spanish Wikipedia. The other languages (like Catalan) can do it too and we'll just integrate the data. That shouldn't be too hard (don't worry about fields having different names). I already made up how I wanted to do this for Switzerland (with English, German, French and Italian) just haven't published about it yet.
As for the fields, "coordinates" should be split into "lat" and "lon".
Maarten
Regards, emijrp
[1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Spain...
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We don't say that we'll not do lists on wikipedia. We talk about make them firstly on commons, and later move them to all the other projects. Are the lists the goal? I don't think so, I think the goal is to obtain photos to be used on articles when that could be possible.
Millars
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:47:50 +0100 From: andre@molens.org To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Working on Spain lists
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:03:10PM +0100, emijrp wrote:
WLM is only about making photos. Please, stop disturbing with useless tips and rules.
In my humble opinion WLM is not only about making photos, it is about making the public aware of the monuments in their country, and getting better documention of those monuments, by having pictures, but also by having good information on them. What is the use of the pictures if nobody is using them.
In the Netherlands we notices that photographers were motivated by seeing the pictures appear on the lists in Wikipedia while they only uploaded them. That was all done semi-automatic based on the monument-number and some volunteers.
I want to create lists of Commons and upload photos there.
If I can't do that, I leave. That's all.
Would be very sorry if you think about it that way, I see the lists themself as valuable encyclopedic information, and that way it would fit any wikipedia.
Regards,
Andre
2011/2/13 Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl
Hi Emijrp,
Op 11-2-2011 16:55, emijrp schreef:
Hi all;
I'm emijrp, a Wikipedia user from Spain. I'm working on the lists of my country. You can see the structure here.[1] I'm not sure how other countries are going to create their lists, but, if my way is useful, it would be great.
Please don't build these lists at Commons, build them at the Spanish Wikipedia. The other languages (like Catalan) can do it too and we'll just integrate the data. That shouldn't be too hard (don't worry about fields having different names). I already made up how I wanted to do this for Switzerland (with English, German, French and Italian) just haven't published about it yet.
As for the fields, "coordinates" should be split into "lat" and "lon".
Maarten
Regards, emijrp
[1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Spain...
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Hi, (excuse my poor english) In my point of view I think the best place to create the lists at Wikipedia: the number of readers is much more which can facilitate the translation of these lists in other languages. Making the list in Spanish firstmay arouse the interest of others, which may make it easier to involve more people. Doing the same thing is done now but in reverse (first wiki commons after) the result is the same but with more readers and therefore more chances of finding someone interested in collaborating.
Mafoso Al 13/02/2011 23:15, En/na Santiago Navarro Sanz ha escrit:
We don't say that we'll not do lists on wikipedia. We talk about make them firstly on commons, and later move them to all the other projects. Are the lists the goal? I don't think so, I think the goal is to obtain photos to be used on articles when that could be possible.
Millars
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:47:50 +0100 From: andre@molens.org To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Working on Spain lists
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:03:10PM +0100, emijrp wrote:
WLM is only about making photos. Please, stop disturbing with
useless tips
and rules.
In my humble opinion WLM is not only about making photos, it is
about making
the public aware of the monuments in their country, and getting better documention of those monuments, by having pictures, but also by having good information on them. What is the use of the pictures if nobody is using them.
In the Netherlands we notices that photographers were motivated by
seeing
the pictures appear on the lists in Wikipedia while they only
uploaded them.
That was all done semi-automatic based on the monument-number and some volunteers.
I want to create lists of Commons and upload photos there.
If I can't do that, I leave. That's all.
Would be very sorry if you think about it that way, I see the lists
themself
as valuable encyclopedic information, and that way it would fit any
wikipedia.
Regards,
Andre
2011/2/13 Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl
Hi Emijrp,
Op 11-2-2011 16:55, emijrp schreef:
Hi all;
I'm emijrp, a Wikipedia user from Spain. I'm working on the
lists of my
country. You can see the structure here.[1] I'm not sure how
other countries
are going to create their lists, but, if my way is useful, it
would be
great.
Please don't build these lists at Commons, build them at the Spanish Wikipedia. The other languages (like Catalan) can do it too and
we'll just
integrate the data. That shouldn't be too hard (don't worry
about fields
having different names). I already made up how I wanted to do
this for
Switzerland (with English, German, French and Italian) just haven't published about it yet.
As for the fields, "coordinates" should be split into "lat" and
"lon".
Maarten
Regards, emijrp
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Hi.
Sorry if my simple question opened this can of worms. I think doing the lists in the various spanish languages would better engage all of the spanish communities. I think we can even think about translating them (almost) immediately to (at least) all participating european languages if we could have some common template structure and translated fields somewhere. This would be truly magnificent.
Gonçalo
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