Hi guys, In Armenian Wikipedia, we have now a tool which allows users to add coordinates of a monument using Google-maps in a pop-up window. See example below: This might be useful if a lot of coordinates are missing from your lists (like in our case). The JavaScript can be found here: [[:hy:MediaWiki:WLMcoord.js]] <https://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:WLMcoord.js>). It was developed by [[u:HrantKhachatrian]]. If you want to integrate the tool to your local Wikipedia and/or have any questions, let us know :) Vacio

Hi, that's a great idea. In Italy we have kinda the same problem, but we are currently discussing about the "legality" of taking coordinates from Google Maps. We have several members which are from Open Street Maps and they say that is is *illegal* (IANAL, so don't discuss with me :-). Maybe if your tool could take the coordinates from OSM we could solve every problem. Aubrey On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Naveen Francis &lt;naveenpf(a)wikimedia.in&gt;wrote;wrote:

OSM has traditionally been very firm that taking coordinates directly from Google Maps is not valid for their license, but I'm not sure how well their license maps to ours in this case. A coordinate is basically the only piece of information they need, so they'd be copying all the information, whereas for us it's a much smaller detail in an overall work, so it's more like checking a single entry in a reference book. I think we're okay :-) (Besides, in most cases we'd need the satellite view to be sure if the building isn't specifically mapped already...) A. On 14 September 2013 17:08, Andrea Zanni &lt;zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

Hi, tl;dr: That tool needs to be disabled immediately. It may be possible to "fix" it to give very clear (and accurate!) warnings about the impending sharing of their data before the sharing takes place but IMHO making sure the wording clear and accurate will take too long (i.e. more than 5 mins) and we should first disable the tool completely while/if that wording is developed. On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Jan Ainali &lt;jan.ainali(a)wikimedia.se&gt; wrote: Well regardless, it seems very, very likely that this is not compliant with the WMF privacy policy. Maybe a case could be made that all use of google maps on the projects would violate privacy policy but this case is worse than that (originally based on a cursory reading of the source code but now I've also tested it first hand; still limited because I don't understand hy (or even its alphabet)): There are links created with the text "Ավելացնել կոորդինատ" (google translate makes me think that means approximately "add [a] coordinate(s)") and clicking that will load the google JS. There appears to be no warning to the user that their data will be shared with google when they click that link and I believe this is a clear violation of the WMF privacy policy as currently implemented. see [0] for links I found where you can try this yourself. I'll let legal and others comment on the more general case of "can google maps be used at all" (even if there is prior warning to the user). And I agree with the policy (non-legal) position (which seems to be the point of Jan's message) of heavily favoring FLOSS where we can control the whole stack instead the non-free (e.g. Google Maps). I'm also not addressing the licensing issues beyond to say that 1) it does need to be carefully evaluated by knowledgeable people (i.e. that have researched this before today) from OSM, Wikidata (Katie?), and maybe legal. (Luis?) and 2) "usable on Wikipedia" is IMHO not always the right standard for us to use. There are some cases where we may want to be able to collaborate with other projects like OSM or Wikidata (CC0) and so we have to coordinate with them to see if our actions will complicate or disrupt collaboration. -Jeremy [0] Took a bit of digging but I was able to dig up an example to try first hand. (why didn't you link to one in your initial post??) https://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%BC%D5%82%D5%80_%D5%BA%D5%A1%D5%BF%D5%B4%D… links to https://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%B1%D5%BC%D5%A1%D5%BB%D5%A1%D5%B1%D5%B8%D6… which in turn has links with the text "Ավելացնել կոորդինատ"

On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Platonides &lt;platonides(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I am totally not qualified to answer so everything I say below could be wrong :) I think it's *not* okay to get the coordinates from OpenStreetMap. OpenStreetMap is licensed under the Open Database License (ODbL) which protected database rights. I don't think ODbL and CC-BY-SA 3.0 are compatible. Database rights are recognized in Europe (where OSM is hosted) but not in the US (where Wikimedia projects are hosted). It is important to note that database rights != copyright. and believe that facts like coordinates are not copyrightable. Hence, using Google Maps as a source for coordinates often regarded as okay. Whether or not one cares about database rights, I think it's not a good idea to violate OSM's license by using OSM as a source for coordinates. The question about using Google Maps as a source could be argued either way, in my opinion. Cheers, Katie -- @wikimediadc / @wikidata

Jeremy Baron, 16/09/2013 05:55: Yes because that's a restriction for GS. Steward or global editinterface are what you need. With the current policy there is no real need to wait but asking/notifying locally first is the right thing to do. :) I suggest to file a bug for this. [[MediaWiki:Privacypage]] needs to be overwritten by the WikimediaMessages extension and/or all local messages cleaned up. Nemo

Hi, Yes & I am a local sysop. I will deactivate the tool for now to understand the peoblem and fix it. Vacio Jeremy Baron &lt;jeremy(a)tuxmachine.com&gt; wrote: -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Op 16-9-2013 10:17, Lodewijk schreef: English Wikipedia users sometimes have the tendency to be quite paternalistic towards other wiki's. That's not appreciated at all. Maarten

@Naveen, yes but you have to have administrative privileges in local Wikiproject. First, you need to make a JavaScript page with the title /MediaWiki:WLMcoord.js/ copying the source code of this page <https://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:WLMcoord.js> (there are things that need to be translated from Armenian... I can help you with this Monday..) Then, you add the following script to the /MediaWiki:Common.js/ of your Wikiproject: ///Script allowing to add coordinates to list of monuments for WLM// //if (mw.config.get('wgNamespaceNumber') === 0 && mw.config.get('wgPageName').search(/TITLEATTRIBUTE) > 0) // //{// //mw.loader.load('//hy.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:WLMcoord.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript'); // //}/ "TITLEATTRIBUTE" is a phrase in the title of the articles where the tool should be activated (without it the script would run on any article..). For instance, if you replace "TITLEATTRIBUTE" with "List of heritage in", the tool will only work in articles where the title contains the phrase "List of heritage in...". You also need to replace "hy" with your local Wikipedia language code. Good luck (-: @Aubrey, I would definitely prefer OSM over Google Maps, but in most cases you really need satellite images to correctly identify the location of a monument.. Vacio On 09/14/13 07:28 , Naveen Francis wrote: