Hi all,
as some of you may know, I'm now also collaborating with Europeana in their Wiki-related projects. I have a couple of good announcements to share with you:
1) Again this year, Europeana will be an official partner of Wiki Loves Monuments and will sponsor the main prize, as did last year.
2) Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category within the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
This category is understood in an inclusive way (all monuments/memorials related to WWI in participating countries) This category proposal is related to another ongoing Europeana project, Europeana 1914-1918 [1] designed for collecting memorabilia in digital form from related to WW1. Previous editions of the WLM contest also had an special Europeana category (GLAM for 2012 [2] and Art Nouveau for 2011 [3]). The contest and jury systems for this particular category will be the same one than used on previous years, following our KISS principles :) Still not sure about it but probably will manage an online exhibit like the one Europeana did for Art Nouveau in 2011 [3]
We are still drafting all so will be glad to read your comments and questions on this.
Best,
Àlex Hinojo @kippelboy
[1] www.europeana1914-1918.eu [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:GLAM_images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monum... [3] http://exhibitions.europeana.eu/exhibits/show/wiki-loves-art-nouveau
Àlex, That is great news! I would love to see more WWI monuments and memorials added (especially since I picnic-lunched at many of them while on a bike trip through Belgium and France several years ago). It was amazing to me to see how many small towns in Belgium and France still have yearly ceremonies for WWI memorials, even though no one is left to tell the stories anymore first hand. While munching my sandwich I could often read how many men died, and I couldn't figure out why there were so many names when all I could see around me was a small street with a few houses. It seemed as though that war really wiped out centuries of human habitation in some places, so there is no one left to take pictures and put them on Wikimedia Commons. Maybe this will help. I have often thought it was too bad I didn't take any pictures of the monuments, just the pretty countryside, so it will be fun to see what gets added in the contest.
Jane
2013/7/23, Àlex Hinojo alexhinojo@gmail.com:
Hi all,
as some of you may know, I'm now also collaborating with Europeana in their Wiki-related projects. I have a couple of good announcements to share with you:
- Again this year, Europeana will be an official partner of Wiki Loves
Monuments and will sponsor the main prize, as did last year.
- Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category within
the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
This category is understood in an inclusive way (all monuments/memorials related to WWI in participating countries) This category proposal is related to another ongoing Europeana project, Europeana 1914-1918 [1] designed for collecting memorabilia in digital form from related to WW1. Previous editions of the WLM contest also had an special Europeana category (GLAM for 2012 [2] and Art Nouveau for 2011 [3]). The contest and jury systems for this particular category will be the same one than used on previous years, following our KISS principles :) Still not sure about it but probably will manage an online exhibit like the one Europeana did for Art Nouveau in 2011 [3]
We are still drafting all so will be glad to read your comments and questions on this.
Best,
Àlex Hinojo @kippelboy
[1] www.europeana1914-1918.eu [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:GLAM_images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monum... [3] http://exhibitions.europeana.eu/exhibits/show/wiki-loves-art-nouveau
Hi all, Indeed France and Belgium both have many of these monuments, but I believe that in France a lot of these wont be monument historique. Due to the fact that most of their monuments are really really old and special. (there are ca 60.000 monuments in France but there are also that number in both Flanders and the Netherlands, this means that to become a monument is easier in the latter two and therefore less special buildings are monuments). The same issue might hold for Wallonie. For other countries I don't know how the situation is, so this point is a little bit focused on only some of the countries. So there might be a lot of these monuments (in every small city) but a lot of them wont be eligible for the local contest, how to deal with that? Mvg, Bas
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:10:47 +0200 From: jane023@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Europeana Loves Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 edition
Àlex, That is great news! I would love to see more WWI monuments and memorials added (especially since I picnic-lunched at many of them while on a bike trip through Belgium and France several years ago). It was amazing to me to see how many small towns in Belgium and France still have yearly ceremonies for WWI memorials, even though no one is left to tell the stories anymore first hand. While munching my sandwich I could often read how many men died, and I couldn't figure out why there were so many names when all I could see around me was a small street with a few houses. It seemed as though that war really wiped out centuries of human habitation in some places, so there is no one left to take pictures and put them on Wikimedia Commons. Maybe this will help. I have often thought it was too bad I didn't take any pictures of the monuments, just the pretty countryside, so it will be fun to see what gets added in the contest.
Jane
2013/7/23, Àlex Hinojo alexhinojo@gmail.com:
Hi all,
as some of you may know, I'm now also collaborating with Europeana in their Wiki-related projects. I have a couple of good announcements to share with you:
- Again this year, Europeana will be an official partner of Wiki Loves
Monuments and will sponsor the main prize, as did last year.
- Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category within
the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
This category is understood in an inclusive way (all monuments/memorials related to WWI in participating countries) This category proposal is related to another ongoing Europeana project, Europeana 1914-1918 [1] designed for collecting memorabilia in digital form from related to WW1. Previous editions of the WLM contest also had an special Europeana category (GLAM for 2012 [2] and Art Nouveau for 2011 [3]). The contest and jury systems for this particular category will be the same one than used on previous years, following our KISS principles :) Still not sure about it but probably will manage an online exhibit like the one Europeana did for Art Nouveau in 2011 [3]
We are still drafting all so will be glad to read your comments and questions on this.
Best,
Àlex Hinojo @kippelboy
[1] www.europeana1914-1918.eu [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:GLAM_images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monum... [3] http://exhibitions.europeana.eu/exhibits/show/wiki-loves-art-nouveau
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
It’s the same in the UK. Although we have many WW1 memorials, very few of them are on the official registers as ‘listed buildings’, so are not eligible subjects for the competition.
Michael
On 23 Jul 2013, at 15:59, Bas vb wrote:
Hi all,
Indeed France and Belgium both have many of these monuments, but I believe that in France a lot of these wont be monument historique. Due to the fact that most of their monuments are really really old and special. (there are ca 60.000 monuments in France but there are also that number in both Flanders and the Netherlands, this means that to become a monument is easier in the latter two and therefore less special buildings are monuments). The same issue might hold for Wallonie. For other countries I don't know how the situation is, so this point is a little bit focused on only some of the countries.
So there might be a lot of these monuments (in every small city) but a lot of them wont be eligible for the local contest, how to deal with that?
Mvg,
Bas
Hey all,
I think it's a very good idea to give special attentation to monuments from the World Wars. In the two past editions of the competition in Belgium, three winners were related to the First World War:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2009-11-12_Ieper_MenenPoort.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Militaire_begraafplaats_Koksijde2.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Henri_Chapelle_Friedhof_2.jpg
I did some checks in Belgium, and all monuments I know (even the smaller, local ones) are listed as a monument.
Regards, Maarten
2013/7/23 Bas vb basvb_wikipedia@live.nl
Hi all,
Indeed France and Belgium both have many of these monuments, but I believe that in France a lot of these wont be monument historique. Due to the fact that most of their monuments are really really old and special. (there are ca 60.000 monuments in France but there are also that number in both Flanders and the Netherlands, this means that to become a monument is easier in the latter two and therefore less special buildings are monuments). The same issue might hold for Wallonie. For other countries I don't know how the situation is, so this point is a little bit focused on only some of the countries.
So there might be a lot of these monuments (in every small city) but a lot of them wont be eligible for the local contest, how to deal with that?
Mvg,
Bas
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:10:47 +0200 From: jane023@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Europeana Loves Wiki Loves Monuments
2013 edition
Àlex, That is great news! I would love to see more WWI monuments and memorials added (especially since I picnic-lunched at many of them while on a bike trip through Belgium and France several years ago). It was amazing to me to see how many small towns in Belgium and France still have yearly ceremonies for WWI memorials, even though no one is left to tell the stories anymore first hand. While munching my sandwich I could often read how many men died, and I couldn't figure out why there were so many names when all I could see around me was a small street with a few houses. It seemed as though that war really wiped out centuries of human habitation in some places, so there is no one left to take pictures and put them on Wikimedia Commons. Maybe this will help. I have often thought it was too bad I didn't take any pictures of the monuments, just the pretty countryside, so it will be fun to see what gets added in the contest.
Jane
2013/7/23, Àlex Hinojo alexhinojo@gmail.com:
Hi all,
as some of you may know, I'm now also collaborating with Europeana in
their
Wiki-related projects. I have a couple of good announcements to share
with
you:
- Again this year, Europeana will be an official partner of Wiki Loves
Monuments and will sponsor the main prize, as did last year.
- Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category
within
the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
This category is understood in an inclusive way (all
monuments/memorials
related to WWI in participating countries) This category proposal is related to another ongoing Europeana project, Europeana 1914-1918 [1] designed for collecting memorabilia in digital form from related to
WW1.
Previous editions of the WLM contest also had an special Europeana
category
(GLAM for 2012 [2] and Art Nouveau for 2011 [3]). The contest and jury systems for this particular category will be the same one than used on previous years, following our KISS principles :) Still not sure about
it
but probably will manage an online exhibit like the one Europeana did
for
Art Nouveau in 2011 [3]
We are still drafting all so will be glad to read your comments and questions on this.
Best,
Àlex Hinojo @kippelboy
[1] www.europeana1914-1918.eu [2]
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:GLAM_images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monum...
[3]
http://exhibitions.europeana.eu/exhibits/show/wiki-loves-art-nouveau
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Hiya all,
thanks for the feedback. Of course no topic is going to be perfectly distributed through countries, that goes equally for GLAM and art nouveau. However, please note that the definition is pretty wide here. Monuments (listed buildings, whatever) *related to* WW1. That could also include a building that had a special function during WW1 (War office?), or someone very relevant to WW1 lived there around that time. It can be honor fields, grave yards, memorials for the unknown soldier (if listed) etc. Obviously countries like Germany and France will have more heritage on this than the Netherlands or Thailand.
While there are some drawbacks, are there also big problems that you see with this topic?
Best, Lodewijk
2013/7/23 Maarten Deneckere maartendeneckere@gmail.com
Hey all,
I think it's a very good idea to give special attentation to monuments from the World Wars. In the two past editions of the competition in Belgium, three winners were related to the First World War:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2009-11-12_Ieper_MenenPoort.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Militaire_begraafplaats_Koksijde2.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Henri_Chapelle_Friedhof_2.jpg
I did some checks in Belgium, and all monuments I know (even the smaller, local ones) are listed as a monument.
Regards, Maarten
2013/7/23 Bas vb basvb_wikipedia@live.nl
Hi all,
Indeed France and Belgium both have many of these monuments, but I believe that in France a lot of these wont be monument historique. Due to the fact that most of their monuments are really really old and special. (there are ca 60.000 monuments in France but there are also that number in both Flanders and the Netherlands, this means that to become a monument is easier in the latter two and therefore less special buildings are monuments). The same issue might hold for Wallonie. For other countries I don't know how the situation is, so this point is a little bit focused on only some of the countries.
So there might be a lot of these monuments (in every small city) but a lot of them wont be eligible for the local contest, how to deal with that?
Mvg,
Bas
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:10:47 +0200 From: jane023@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Europeana Loves Wiki Loves
Monuments 2013 edition
Àlex, That is great news! I would love to see more WWI monuments and memorials added (especially since I picnic-lunched at many of them while on a bike trip through Belgium and France several years ago). It was amazing to me to see how many small towns in Belgium and France still have yearly ceremonies for WWI memorials, even though no one is left to tell the stories anymore first hand. While munching my sandwich I could often read how many men died, and I couldn't figure out why there were so many names when all I could see around me was a small street with a few houses. It seemed as though that war really wiped out centuries of human habitation in some places, so there is no one left to take pictures and put them on Wikimedia Commons. Maybe this will help. I have often thought it was too bad I didn't take any pictures of the monuments, just the pretty countryside, so it will be fun to see what gets added in the contest.
Jane
2013/7/23, Àlex Hinojo alexhinojo@gmail.com:
Hi all,
as some of you may know, I'm now also collaborating with Europeana in
their
Wiki-related projects. I have a couple of good announcements to share
with
you:
- Again this year, Europeana will be an official partner of Wiki
Loves
Monuments and will sponsor the main prize, as did last year.
- Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category
within
the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
This category is understood in an inclusive way (all
monuments/memorials
related to WWI in participating countries) This category proposal is related to another ongoing Europeana project, Europeana 1914-1918 [1] designed for collecting memorabilia in digital form from related to
WW1.
Previous editions of the WLM contest also had an special Europeana
category
(GLAM for 2012 [2] and Art Nouveau for 2011 [3]). The contest and jury systems for this particular category will be the same one than used on previous years, following our KISS principles :) Still not sure about
it
but probably will manage an online exhibit like the one Europeana did
for
Art Nouveau in 2011 [3]
We are still drafting all so will be glad to read your comments and questions on this.
Best,
Àlex Hinojo @kippelboy
[1] www.europeana1914-1918.eu [2]
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:GLAM_images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monum...
[3]
http://exhibitions.europeana.eu/exhibits/show/wiki-loves-art-nouveau
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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Maarten Deneckere, Allmost every war monument in Flanders is indeed a listed monuments (at least in my small sample each municipality had around 5 of them). But in Wallonie the situation is very different, in the 12 municipalities I've checked only one of them had a war memorial listed. So that is the biggest problem imo Lodewijk. There is really a lot of these war memorials out there but only in some regions these are in fact listed monuments. Mvg, Bas
From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:23:56 +0200 To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Europeana Loves Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 edition
Hiya all, thanks for the feedback. Of course no topic is going to be perfectly distributed through countries, that goes equally for GLAM and art nouveau. However, please note that the definition is pretty wide here. Monuments (listed buildings, whatever) *related to* WW1. That could also include a building that had a special function during WW1 (War office?), or someone very relevant to WW1 lived there around that time. It can be honor fields, grave yards, memorials for the unknown soldier (if listed) etc. Obviously countries like Germany and France will have more heritage on this than the Netherlands or Thailand.
While there are some drawbacks, are there also big problems that you see with this topic? Best,Lodewijk
2013/7/23 Maarten Deneckere maartendeneckere@gmail.com
Hey all,
I think it's a very good idea to give special attentation to monuments from the World Wars. In the two past editions of the competition in Belgium, three winners were related to the First World War:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2009-11-12_Ieper_MenenPoort.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Militaire_begraafplaats_Koksijde2.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Henri_Chapelle_Friedhof_2.jpg
I did some checks in Belgium, and all monuments I know (even the smaller, local ones) are listed as a monument.
Regards, Maarten
2013/7/23 Bas vb basvb_wikipedia@live.nl
Hi all, Indeed France and Belgium both have many of these monuments, but I believe that in France a lot of these wont be monument historique. Due to the fact that most of their monuments are really really old and special. (there are ca 60.000 monuments in France but there are also that number in both Flanders and the Netherlands, this means that to become a monument is easier in the latter two and therefore less special buildings are monuments). The same issue might hold for Wallonie. For other countries I don't know how the situation is, so this point is a little bit focused on only some of the countries.
So there might be a lot of these monuments (in every small city) but a lot of them wont be eligible for the local contest, how to deal with that? Mvg,
Bas
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:10:47 +0200 From: jane023@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Europeana Loves Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 edition
Àlex, That is great news! I would love to see more WWI monuments and memorials added (especially since I picnic-lunched at many of them
while on a bike trip through Belgium and France several years ago). It was amazing to me to see how many small towns in Belgium and France still have yearly ceremonies for WWI memorials, even though no one is
left to tell the stories anymore first hand. While munching my sandwich I could often read how many men died, and I couldn't figure out why there were so many names when all I could see around me was a
small street with a few houses. It seemed as though that war really wiped out centuries of human habitation in some places, so there is no one left to take pictures and put them on Wikimedia Commons. Maybe
this will help. I have often thought it was too bad I didn't take any pictures of the monuments, just the pretty countryside, so it will be fun to see what gets added in the contest.
Jane
2013/7/23, Àlex Hinojo alexhinojo@gmail.com:
Hi all,
as some of you may know, I'm now also collaborating with Europeana in their
Wiki-related projects. I have a couple of good announcements to share with you:
- Again this year, Europeana will be an official partner of Wiki Loves
Monuments and will sponsor the main prize, as did last year.
- Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category within
the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
This category is understood in an inclusive way (all monuments/memorials
related to WWI in participating countries) This category proposal is related to another ongoing Europeana project, Europeana 1914-1918 [1] designed for collecting memorabilia in digital form from related to WW1.
Previous editions of the WLM contest also had an special Europeana category (GLAM for 2012 [2] and Art Nouveau for 2011 [3]). The contest and jury systems for this particular category will be the same one than used on
previous years, following our KISS principles :) Still not sure about it but probably will manage an online exhibit like the one Europeana did for Art Nouveau in 2011 [3]
We are still drafting all so will be glad to read your comments and questions on this.
Best,
Àlex Hinojo @kippelboy
[1] www.europeana1914-1918.eu [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:GLAM_images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monum...
[3] http://exhibitions.europeana.eu/exhibits/show/wiki-loves-art-nouveau
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So that would be similar to last year's situation, right? Last year the theme was GLAM, and only a tiny fraction of buildings in use by GLAM are listed as monuments - in some countries even less than in others.
It does make it more important to communicate the definition very clearly though. We should make clear that monuments can only participate in this special category if they are *both* listed as a monument (with the local definition), as well as related to the first world war.
Nicolas: I think you have a good point with regards to Freedom of Panorama! When talking about specially designed memorials in non-FoP countries, that would potentially indeed be a problem. Not sure if it would be a huge problem, but it is indeed unfortunate.
Lodewijk
2013/7/23 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
Maarten Deneckere, Allmost every war monument in Flanders is indeed a listed monuments (at least in my small sample each municipality had around 5 of them). But in Wallonie the situation is very different, in the 12 municipalities I've checked only one of them had a war memorial listed.
So that is the biggest problem imo Lodewijk. There is really a lot of these war memorials out there but only in some regions these are in fact listed monuments.
Mvg,
Bas
From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:23:56 +0200
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Europeana Loves Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 edition
Hiya all,
thanks for the feedback. Of course no topic is going to be perfectly distributed through countries, that goes equally for GLAM and art nouveau. However, please note that the definition is pretty wide here. Monuments (listed buildings, whatever) *related to* WW1. That could also include a building that had a special function during WW1 (War office?), or someone very relevant to WW1 lived there around that time. It can be honor fields, grave yards, memorials for the unknown soldier (if listed) etc. Obviously countries like Germany and France will have more heritage on this than the Netherlands or Thailand.
While there are some drawbacks, are there also big problems that you see with this topic?
Best, Lodewijk
2013/7/23 Maarten Deneckere maartendeneckere@gmail.com
Hey all,
I think it's a very good idea to give special attentation to monuments from the World Wars. In the two past editions of the competition in Belgium, three winners were related to the First World War:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2009-11-12_Ieper_MenenPoort.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Militaire_begraafplaats_Koksijde2.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Henri_Chapelle_Friedhof_2.jpg
I did some checks in Belgium, and all monuments I know (even the smaller, local ones) are listed as a monument.
Regards, Maarten
2013/7/23 Bas vb basvb_wikipedia@live.nl
Hi all,
Indeed France and Belgium both have many of these monuments, but I believe that in France a lot of these wont be monument historique. Due to the fact that most of their monuments are really really old and special. (there are ca 60.000 monuments in France but there are also that number in both Flanders and the Netherlands, this means that to become a monument is easier in the latter two and therefore less special buildings are monuments). The same issue might hold for Wallonie. For other countries I don't know how the situation is, so this point is a little bit focused on only some of the countries.
So there might be a lot of these monuments (in every small city) but a lot of them wont be eligible for the local contest, how to deal with that?
Mvg,
Bas
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:10:47 +0200 From: jane023@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Europeana Loves Wiki Loves Monuments
2013 edition
Àlex, That is great news! I would love to see more WWI monuments and memorials added (especially since I picnic-lunched at many of them while on a bike trip through Belgium and France several years ago). It was amazing to me to see how many small towns in Belgium and France still have yearly ceremonies for WWI memorials, even though no one is left to tell the stories anymore first hand. While munching my sandwich I could often read how many men died, and I couldn't figure out why there were so many names when all I could see around me was a small street with a few houses. It seemed as though that war really wiped out centuries of human habitation in some places, so there is no one left to take pictures and put them on Wikimedia Commons. Maybe this will help. I have often thought it was too bad I didn't take any pictures of the monuments, just the pretty countryside, so it will be fun to see what gets added in the contest.
Jane
2013/7/23, Àlex Hinojo alexhinojo@gmail.com:
Hi all,
as some of you may know, I'm now also collaborating with Europeana in
their
Wiki-related projects. I have a couple of good announcements to share
with
you:
- Again this year, Europeana will be an official partner of Wiki Loves
Monuments and will sponsor the main prize, as did last year.
- Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category
within
the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
This category is understood in an inclusive way (all
monuments/memorials
related to WWI in participating countries) This category proposal is related to another ongoing Europeana project, Europeana 1914-1918 [1] designed for collecting memorabilia in digital form from related to
WW1.
Previous editions of the WLM contest also had an special Europeana
category
(GLAM for 2012 [2] and Art Nouveau for 2011 [3]). The contest and jury systems for this particular category will be the same one than used on previous years, following our KISS principles :) Still not sure about
it
but probably will manage an online exhibit like the one Europeana did
for
Art Nouveau in 2011 [3]
We are still drafting all so will be glad to read your comments and questions on this.
Best,
Àlex Hinojo @kippelboy
[1] www.europeana1914-1918.eu [2]
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:GLAM_images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monum...
[3]
http://exhibitions.europeana.eu/exhibits/show/wiki-loves-art-nouveau
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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How will the international jury know which entries are connected in some way with WW1, as that will often not be obvious from the photo itself. In the UK, the photos will typically be of old buildings and not obvious war memorials Presumably an explanation of the wartime relevance would need to be added during upload, but will there also be a flag for the uploader to tick? Otherwise, it will be difficult for the international team to pull out all of the photos that are potentially eligible for the WW1 award.
Michael
On 23 Jul 2013, at 16:52, Lodewijk wrote:
So that would be similar to last year's situation, right? Last year the theme was GLAM, and only a tiny fraction of buildings in use by GLAM are listed as monuments - in some countries even less than in others.
It does make it more important to communicate the definition very clearly though. We should make clear that monuments can only participate in this special category if they are *both* listed as a monument (with the local definition), as well as related to the first world war.
Nicolas: I think you have a good point with regards to Freedom of Panorama! When talking about specially designed memorials in non-FoP countries, that would potentially indeed be a problem. Not sure if it would be a huge problem, but it is indeed unfortunate.
Lodewijk
2013/7/23 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com Maarten Deneckere, Allmost every war monument in Flanders is indeed a listed monuments (at least in my small sample each municipality had around 5 of them). But in Wallonie the situation is very different, in the 12 municipalities I've checked only one of them had a war memorial listed.
So that is the biggest problem imo Lodewijk. There is really a lot of these war memorials out there but only in some regions these are in fact listed monuments.
Mvg,
Bas
From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:23:56 +0200
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Europeana Loves Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 edition
Hiya all,
thanks for the feedback. Of course no topic is going to be perfectly distributed through countries, that goes equally for GLAM and art nouveau. However, please note that the definition is pretty wide here. Monuments (listed buildings, whatever) *related to* WW1. That could also include a building that had a special function during WW1 (War office?), or someone very relevant to WW1 lived there around that time. It can be honor fields, grave yards, memorials for the unknown soldier (if listed) etc. Obviously countries like Germany and France will have more heritage on this than the Netherlands or Thailand.
While there are some drawbacks, are there also big problems that you see with this topic?
Best, Lodewijk
2013/7/23 Maarten Deneckere maartendeneckere@gmail.com Hey all,
I think it's a very good idea to give special attentation to monuments from the World Wars. In the two past editions of the competition in Belgium, three winners were related to the First World War:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2009-11-12_Ieper_MenenPoort.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Militaire_begraafplaats_Koksijde2.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Henri_Chapelle_Friedhof_2.jpg
I did some checks in Belgium, and all monuments I know (even the smaller, local ones) are listed as a monument.
Regards, Maarten
2013/7/23 Bas vb basvb_wikipedia@live.nl Hi all,
Indeed France and Belgium both have many of these monuments, but I believe that in France a lot of these wont be monument historique. Due to the fact that most of their monuments are really really old and special. (there are ca 60.000 monuments in France but there are also that number in both Flanders and the Netherlands, this means that to become a monument is easier in the latter two and therefore less special buildings are monuments). The same issue might hold for Wallonie. For other countries I don't know how the situation is, so this point is a little bit focused on only some of the countries.
So there might be a lot of these monuments (in every small city) but a lot of them wont be eligible for the local contest, how to deal with that?
Mvg,
Bas
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:10:47 +0200 From: jane023@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Europeana Loves Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 edition
Àlex, That is great news! I would love to see more WWI monuments and memorials added (especially since I picnic-lunched at many of them while on a bike trip through Belgium and France several years ago). It was amazing to me to see how many small towns in Belgium and France still have yearly ceremonies for WWI memorials, even though no one is left to tell the stories anymore first hand. While munching my sandwich I could often read how many men died, and I couldn't figure out why there were so many names when all I could see around me was a small street with a few houses. It seemed as though that war really wiped out centuries of human habitation in some places, so there is no one left to take pictures and put them on Wikimedia Commons. Maybe this will help. I have often thought it was too bad I didn't take any pictures of the monuments, just the pretty countryside, so it will be fun to see what gets added in the contest.
Jane
2013/7/23, Àlex Hinojo alexhinojo@gmail.com:
Hi all,
as some of you may know, I'm now also collaborating with Europeana in their Wiki-related projects. I have a couple of good announcements to share with you:
- Again this year, Europeana will be an official partner of Wiki Loves
Monuments and will sponsor the main prize, as did last year.
- Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category within
the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
This category is understood in an inclusive way (all monuments/memorials related to WWI in participating countries) This category proposal is related to another ongoing Europeana project, Europeana 1914-1918 [1] designed for collecting memorabilia in digital form from related to WW1. Previous editions of the WLM contest also had an special Europeana category (GLAM for 2012 [2] and Art Nouveau for 2011 [3]). The contest and jury systems for this particular category will be the same one than used on previous years, following our KISS principles :) Still not sure about it but probably will manage an online exhibit like the one Europeana did for Art Nouveau in 2011 [3]
We are still drafting all so will be glad to read your comments and questions on this.
Best,
Àlex Hinojo @kippelboy
[1] www.europeana1914-1918.eu [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:GLAM_images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monum... [3] http://exhibitions.europeana.eu/exhibits/show/wiki-loves-art-nouveau
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On 23/07/13 18:14, Michael Maggs wrote:
How will the international jury know which entries are connected in some way with WW1, as that will often not be obvious from the photo itself. In the UK, the photos will typically be of old buildings and not obvious war memorials Presumably an explanation of the wartime relevance would need to be added during upload, but will there also be a flag for the uploader to tick? Otherwise, it will be difficult for the international team to pull out all of the photos that are potentially eligible for the WW1 award.
Michael
This was a very good point. IMHO there should be a template used to mark this (with an argument explaining the relationship).
If we're lucky maybe we can get a checkbox in the upload wizard to say "This is a monument related to World Ward I (and thus also eligible to participate in the Europeana Prize)" (with a new field to fill the reason that appears when checked)
I think it would be easier to simply include "World War I" (or whatever language equivalent, depending on the Wikipedia project) in the description field of the monument in the monuments list. A bot can then go and put these photos in proper categories for judging (and also for later browsing). Most of the photo's uploaded during WLM will not be related to World War I and so I think it would not be wise to complicate the upload campaigns with potentially confusing checkboxes for all participants.
2013/8/8, Platonides platonides@gmail.com:
On 23/07/13 18:14, Michael Maggs wrote:
How will the international jury know which entries are connected in some way with WW1, as that will often not be obvious from the photo itself. In the UK, the photos will typically be of old buildings and not obvious war memorials Presumably an explanation of the wartime relevance would need to be added during upload, but will there also be a flag for the uploader to tick? Otherwise, it will be difficult for the international team to pull out all of the photos that are potentially eligible for the WW1 award.
Michael
This was a very good point. IMHO there should be a template used to mark this (with an argument explaining the relationship).
If we're lucky maybe we can get a checkbox in the upload wizard to say "This is a monument related to World Ward I (and thus also eligible to participate in the Europeana Prize)" (with a new field to fill the reason that appears when checked)
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You can add a third field witch ads the template if it had a value (or a certain value) and skip it otherwise.
Still a boolean value in the upload wizard would be really nice.
/Lokal_Profil Den 8 aug 2013 23:41 skrev "Jane Darnell" jane023@gmail.com:
I think it would be easier to simply include "World War I" (or whatever language equivalent, depending on the Wikipedia project) in the description field of the monument in the monuments list. A bot can then go and put these photos in proper categories for judging (and also for later browsing). Most of the photo's uploaded during WLM will not be related to World War I and so I think it would not be wise to complicate the upload campaigns with potentially confusing checkboxes for all participants.
2013/8/8, Platonides platonides@gmail.com:
On 23/07/13 18:14, Michael Maggs wrote:
How will the international jury know which entries are connected in some way with WW1, as that will often not be obvious from the photo itself. In the UK, the photos will typically be of old buildings and not obvious war memorials Presumably an explanation of the wartime relevance would need to be added during upload, but will there also be a flag for the uploader to tick? Otherwise, it will be difficult for the international team to pull out all of the photos that are potentially eligible for the WW1 award.
Michael
This was a very good point. IMHO there should be a template used to mark this (with an argument explaining the relationship).
If we're lucky maybe we can get a checkbox in the upload wizard to say "This is a monument related to World Ward I (and thus also eligible to participate in the Europeana Prize)" (with a new field to fill the reason that appears when checked)
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Well theoretically, the way the monuments lists templates are set up, they have their own "type" tags per monument with words like "castle", "gate", "barn", "tree", "rock formation", and so forth. WWI could be just one of these, and it would be nice if the upload campaigns could somehow add categories on Commons per region based on these. So yes, delivering some sort of functionality like this would be highly useful for Commons in general, not just for this specific example of WWI monuments.
2013/8/8, André Costa lokal.profil@gmail.com:
You can add a third field witch ads the template if it had a value (or a certain value) and skip it otherwise.
Still a boolean value in the upload wizard would be really nice.
/Lokal_Profil Den 8 aug 2013 23:41 skrev "Jane Darnell" jane023@gmail.com:
I think it would be easier to simply include "World War I" (or whatever language equivalent, depending on the Wikipedia project) in the description field of the monument in the monuments list. A bot can then go and put these photos in proper categories for judging (and also for later browsing). Most of the photo's uploaded during WLM will not be related to World War I and so I think it would not be wise to complicate the upload campaigns with potentially confusing checkboxes for all participants.
2013/8/8, Platonides platonides@gmail.com:
On 23/07/13 18:14, Michael Maggs wrote:
How will the international jury know which entries are connected in some way with WW1, as that will often not be obvious from the photo itself. In the UK, the photos will typically be of old buildings and not obvious war memorials Presumably an explanation of the wartime relevance would need to be added during upload, but will there also be a flag for the uploader to tick? Otherwise, it will be difficult for the international team to pull out all of the photos that are potentially eligible for the WW1 award.
Michael
This was a very good point. IMHO there should be a template used to mark this (with an argument explaining the relationship).
If we're lucky maybe we can get a checkbox in the upload wizard to say "This is a monument related to World Ward I (and thus also eligible to participate in the Europeana Prize)" (with a new field to fill the reason that appears when checked)
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On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Well theoretically, the way the monuments lists templates are set up, they have their own "type" tags per monument with words like "castle", "gate", "barn", "tree", "rock formation", and so forth. WWI could be just one of these, and it would be nice if the upload campaigns could somehow add categories on Commons per region based on these. So yes, delivering some sort of functionality like this would be highly useful for Commons in general, not just for this specific example of WWI monuments.
We have a similar sub-contest request from one of our sponsors and would use this functionallity if available.
David E. Narvaez
A posted a enhancement request based on this at bugzilla [1].
In my view the easiest solution would be to add a tick box in the upload campaign for whether the image is part of this sub-competition or not. It would however also require that the placement of the wikitext on the image page could be controlled so that this template/category is not put in the description field.
I encountered a similar need during Wiki Loves Public Art where some lists were set up so that they could tell whether a FoP template should be added to the image or not.
The quick-and-dirty workaround is to simply have a field in the upload campaign with the following: wikitext: "{{safesubst:#if:$1|WWI specific wikitext}}" label: "Is this image part of the WWI sub-competition? Leave blank if not"
/André
[1]: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52879
On 8 August 2013 20:05, David Narvaez david.narvaez@computer.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Well theoretically, the way the monuments lists templates are set up, they have their own "type" tags per monument with words like "castle", "gate", "barn", "tree", "rock formation", and so forth. WWI could be just one of these, and it would be nice if the upload campaigns could somehow add categories on Commons per region based on these. So yes, delivering some sort of functionality like this would be highly useful for Commons in general, not just for this specific example of WWI monuments.
We have a similar sub-contest request from one of our sponsors and would use this functionallity if available.
David E. Narvaez
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Hi André,
Op 15-8-2013 15:07, André Costa schreef:
In my view the easiest solution would be to add a tick box in the upload campaign for whether the image is part of this sub-competition or not. It would however also require that the placement of the wikitext on the image page could be controlled so that this template/category is not put in the description field.
Imho this goes against our philosophy[1]: We stripped the upload form to contain as few options as possible, this would add more clutter.
Previous years we just went through the images and added the special category. We found plenty of images.
Maarten
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Philosophy
On 15/08/13 18:33, Maarten Dammers wrote:
Hi André,
Op 15-8-2013 15:07, André Costa schreef:
In my view the easiest solution would be to add a tick box in the upload campaign for whether the image is part of this sub-competition or not. It would however also require that the placement of the wikitext on the image page could be controlled so that this template/category is not put in the description field.
Imho this goes against our philosophy[1]: We stripped the upload form to contain as few options as possible, this would add more clutter.
Previous years we just went through the images and added the special category. We found plenty of images.
Maarten
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Philosophy
It's good to provide a streamlined process with as few options as possible, but don't try to give less than we should!
- I think we should provide the users the option to participate into the Europeana award. They are the ones in the best position to assert that their photo is indeed somehow related to the topic, and their lack of participation in the subcontest shouldn't depend on a noticing that it could participate (we would still remove and add when ovbious, as usual).
- The baseline participantes are using the UploadWizard. A new checkbox does add an option but is a one-line step.
- Requesting an addition on wikitext would be unfriendly.
- Another UI would add more complexity than what is added by that checkbox.
Thus, IMHO we should go the UW checkbox path.
Hi all, thanks for your comments
I share Lodewijk's point of view. Let's keep a wide understanding, but for WW1.
If you feel like We can make it clearer with the name of the category: "WWI and monuments".
Regarding the question of adding the checkbox or not to the uploadwizard campaign, I don't have a clear idea on that: that would help us to identify some pics and save us some time. That said, I'm quite sure that we will probably still need to add several pics to the category manually, so whatever feels better to the designer/developer.
Best,
Àlex
2013/8/16 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On 15/08/13 18:33, Maarten Dammers wrote:
Hi André,
Op 15-8-2013 15:07, André Costa schreef:
In my view the easiest solution would be to add a tick box in the upload campaign for whether the image is part of this sub-competition or not. It would however also require that the placement of the wikitext on the image page could be controlled so that this template/category is not put in the description field.
Imho this goes against our philosophy[1]: We stripped the upload form to contain as few options as possible, this would add more clutter.
Previous years we just went through the images and added the special category. We found plenty of images.
Maarten
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_** Monuments/Philosophyhttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Philosophy
It's good to provide a streamlined process with as few options as possible, but don't try to give less than we should!
- I think we should provide the users the option to participate into the
Europeana award. They are the ones in the best position to assert that their photo is indeed somehow related to the topic, and their lack of participation in the subcontest shouldn't depend on a noticing that it could participate (we would still remove and add when ovbious, as usual).
- The baseline participantes are using the UploadWizard. A new checkbox
does add an option but is a one-line step.
Requesting an addition on wikitext would be unfriendly.
Another UI would add more complexity than what is added by that checkbox.
Thus, IMHO we should go the UW checkbox path.
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I should firstly point out that I think these are important additions to campaigns irrespective of whether we end up using them in WLM. The need for either was something I first noticed during WLPA but I can imagine various other campaigns which might use them.
Whilst I agree the form should be as simple as possible I don't believe a check box will be an issue and it is definitely less so then trying to enter the same information manually. Still if clutter is a concern then it could be added to the expanded area where lat-lon can be found today.
For me the prime reason for having WWI (or another subcompetition) as a parameter directly in the campaign is that it gives local teams the ability to set up specific pages/lists/parameters for these where the checkbox is essentially set via the url to the campaign without the uploader needing to worry. /André
Hi all, thanks for your comments
I share Lodewijk's point of view. Let's keep a wide understanding, but for WW1.
If you feel like We can make it clearer with the name of the category: "WWI and monuments".
Regarding the question of adding the checkbox or not to the uploadwizard campaign, I don't have a clear idea on that: that would help us to identify some pics and save us some time. That said, I'm quite sure that we will probably still need to add several pics to the category manually, so whatever feels better to the designer/developer.
Best,
Àlex
2013/8/16 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On 15/08/13 18:33, Maarten Dammers wrote:
Hi André,
Op 15-8-2013 15:07, André Costa schreef:
In my view the easiest solution would be to add a tick box in the upload campaign for whether the image is part of this sub-competition or not. It would however also require that the placement of the wikitext on the image page could be controlled so that this template/category is not put in the description field.
Imho this goes against our philosophy[1]: We stripped the upload form to contain as few options as possible, this would add more clutter.
Previous years we just went through the images and added the special category. We found plenty of images.
Maarten
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_** Monuments/Philosophyhttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Philosophy
It's good to provide a streamlined process with as few options as possible, but don't try to give less than we should!
- I think we should provide the users the option to participate into the
Europeana award. They are the ones in the best position to assert that their photo is indeed somehow related to the topic, and their lack of participation in the subcontest shouldn't depend on a noticing that it could participate (we would still remove and add when ovbious, as usual).
- The baseline participantes are using the UploadWizard. A new checkbox
does add an option but is a one-line step.
Requesting an addition on wikitext would be unfriendly.
Another UI would add more complexity than what is added by that checkbox.
Thus, IMHO we should go the UW checkbox path.
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There was an earlier thread on this point.
In the UK, the photos will typically be of old buildings and not obvious war memorials Some explanation of the wartime relevance may need to be added manually during upload, but a box for the uploader to tick would also be extremely helpful. Otherwise, it will be difficult and in many cases impossible for the international team to pull out all of the photos that are potentially eligible for the WW1 award.
Michael
On 16 Aug 2013, at 11:52, André Costa wrote:
I should firstly point out that I think these are important additions to campaigns irrespective of whether we end up using them in WLM. The need for either was something I first noticed during WLPA but I can imagine various other campaigns which might use them.
Whilst I agree the form should be as simple as possible I don't believe a check box will be an issue and it is definitely less so then trying to enter the same information manually. Still if clutter is a concern then it could be added to the expanded area where lat-lon can be found today.
For me the prime reason for having WWI (or another subcompetition) as a parameter directly in the campaign is that it gives local teams the ability to set up specific pages/lists/parameters for these where the checkbox is essentially set via the url to the campaign without the uploader needing to worry. /André
Hi all, thanks for your comments
I share Lodewijk's point of view. Let's keep a wide understanding, but for WW1.
If you feel like We can make it clearer with the name of the category: "WWI and monuments".
Regarding the question of adding the checkbox or not to the uploadwizard campaign, I don't have a clear idea on that: that would help us to identify some pics and save us some time. That said, I'm quite sure that we will probably still need to add several pics to the category manually, so whatever feels better to the designer/developer.
Best,
Àlex
2013/8/16 Platonides platonides@gmail.com On 15/08/13 18:33, Maarten Dammers wrote: Hi André,
Op 15-8-2013 15:07, André Costa schreef: In my view the easiest solution would be to add a tick box in the upload campaign for whether the image is part of this sub-competition or not. It would however also require that the placement of the wikitext on the image page could be controlled so that this template/category is not put in the description field. Imho this goes against our philosophy[1]: We stripped the upload form to contain as few options as possible, this would add more clutter.
Previous years we just went through the images and added the special category. We found plenty of images.
Maarten
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Philosophy
It's good to provide a streamlined process with as few options as possible, but don't try to give less than we should!
- I think we should provide the users the option to participate into the Europeana award.
They are the ones in the best position to assert that their photo is indeed somehow related to the topic, and their lack of participation in the subcontest shouldn't depend on a noticing that it could participate (we would still remove and add when ovbious, as usual).
The baseline participantes are using the UploadWizard. A new checkbox does add an option but is a one-line step.
Requesting an addition on wikitext would be unfriendly.
Another UI would add more complexity than what is added by that checkbox.
Thus, IMHO we should go the UW checkbox path.
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On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
It's good to provide a streamlined process with as few options as possible, but don't try to give less than we should!
- I think we should provide the users the option to participate into the
Europeana award. They are the ones in the best position to assert that their photo is indeed somehow related to the topic, and their lack of participation in the subcontest shouldn't depend on a noticing that it could participate (we would still remove and add when ovbious, as usual).
- The baseline participantes are using the UploadWizard. A new checkbox does
add an option but is a one-line step.
Requesting an addition on wikitext would be unfriendly.
Another UI would add more complexity than what is added by that checkbox.
Thus, IMHO we should go the UW checkbox path.
Just for the record, adding a checkbox is a little more work from the code point of view than adding a select combo box, and I haven't been able to get my tiny little patch reviewed and merged into the UploadWizard for the select combo box[0], so I would abandon all hope of having these two features in time for the contest.
David E. Narvaez
On 20/08/13 23:21, David Narvaez wrote:
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Platonidesplatonides@gmail.com:
Thus, IMHO we should go the UW checkbox path.
Just for the record, adding a checkbox is a little more work from the code point of view than adding a select combo box, and I haven't been able to get my tiny little patch reviewed and merged into the UploadWizard for the select combo box[0], so I would abandon all hope of having these two features in time for the contest.
David E. Narvaez
I think Yuvipanda returns from vacation tomorrow, hopefully he will be able to review it then.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
I think Yuvipanda returns from vacation tomorrow, hopefully he will be able to review it then.
Does anyone have any idea of what's an estimated deployment time for new features in an extension like UploadWizard? Can we like request a special deployment to Commons because we are WLM people?
If having these features is feasible at this point, I volunteer to submit a patch, but I definitely have no time to prepare a patch for something that won't be merged/deployed in time.
David E. Narvaez
Hello! I did get back from Vacation today, and will look at the patches tomorrow!
And as for when these things get deployed - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.22/Roadmap has the schedule :) Every Monday, the master of UploadWizard is deployed to Commons. Hope that helps!
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:01 AM, David Narvaez david.narvaez@computer.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
I think Yuvipanda returns from vacation tomorrow, hopefully he will be able to review it then.
Does anyone have any idea of what's an estimated deployment time for new features in an extension like UploadWizard? Can we like request a special deployment to Commons because we are WLM people?
If having these features is feasible at this point, I volunteer to submit a patch, but I definitely have no time to prepare a patch for something that won't be merged/deployed in time.
David E. Narvaez
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So, that patch got merged. Please do test on commons betalabs, where it should have been deployed by now.
http://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page
Thank you!
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com wrote:
Hello! I did get back from Vacation today, and will look at the patches tomorrow!
And as for when these things get deployed - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.22/Roadmap has the schedule :) Every Monday, the master of UploadWizard is deployed to Commons. Hope that helps!
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:01 AM, David Narvaez david.narvaez@computer.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
I think Yuvipanda returns from vacation tomorrow, hopefully he will be able to review it then.
Does anyone have any idea of what's an estimated deployment time for new features in an extension like UploadWizard? Can we like request a special deployment to Commons because we are WLM people?
If having these features is feasible at this point, I volunteer to submit a patch, but I definitely have no time to prepare a patch for something that won't be merged/deployed in time.
David E. Narvaez
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On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:07 AM, André Costa lokal_profil@hotmail.com wrote:
A posted a enhancement request based on this at bugzilla [1].
In my view the easiest solution would be to add a tick box in the upload campaign for whether the image is part of this sub-competition or not. It would however also require that the placement of the wikitext on the image page could be controlled so that this template/category is not put in the description field.
I encountered a similar need during Wiki Loves Public Art where some lists were set up so that they could tell whether a FoP template should be added to the image or not.
The quick-and-dirty workaround is to simply have a field in the upload campaign with the following: wikitext: "{{safesubst:#if:$1|WWI specific wikitext}}" label: "Is this image part of the WWI sub-competition? Leave blank if not"
Maybe I had the whole idea wrong, but isn't "is related to WWI" a property of the monument and not of the photo? I think that, if monument ID-000-10 is related to WWI, then all photos to ID-000-10 participate in the WWI contest, in which case the user doesn't need to tick any check box, etc.
David E. Narvaez
On 16/08/13 20:26, David Narvaez wrote:
Maybe I had the whole idea wrong, but isn't "is related to WWI" a property of the monument and not of the photo? I think that, if monument ID-000-10 is related to WWI, then all photos to ID-000-10 participate in the WWI contest, in which case the user doesn't need to tick any check box, etc.
David E. Narvaez
Mostly. Jonathan gave an example with the case of «photo showing war memorial in front of WLM church».* I had thought on a photo in the Orsay Museum where a WWI painting could be seen (you could also think on a battle gallery inside a castle/palace, or a WWI-related piece inside a museum). Not all photos of the Church will be related to the WWI, and not all photos of the Museum will be eligible. And conversely, not all photos of the war memorial could participate since they wouldn't be WLM-ones if they didn't include the Church (assuming the war memorial is not a monument itself).
Regards
* Yes, my opinion is that those entries should be accepted.
2013/7/23 Bas vb basvb_wikipedia@live.nl:
Hi all,
Indeed France and Belgium both have many of these monuments, but I believe that in France a lot of these wont be monument historique. Due to the fact that most of their monuments are really really old and special. (there are ca 60.000 monuments in France but there are also that number in both Flanders and the Netherlands, this means that to become a monument is easier in the latter two and therefore less special buildings are monuments). The same issue might hold for Wallonie. For other countries I don't know how the situation is, so this point is a little bit focused on only some of the countries.
So there might be a lot of these monuments (in every small city) but a lot of them wont be eligible for the local contest, how to deal with that?
Mvg,
Bas
In France, there is around 45 000 monuments historiques (in short MH) ; 16,7 % are from XIXth to XXIst century (as of 2009).
I expect roughly 100 to 1000 MH to be related to the WWI. It depends on the strengh of the relation: is a bulding bombed during WWI really related to WWI ? (there is a lot of buildings in this case). If we take only the memorials in the narrow senss, there is rougly 50 MH.
I'm more concern about the legality : are this buildings and memorials in the public domain ? could they be put on Commons ? In most case, it's unclear… I know a lot of files of memorials have been deleted, cf. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:0_Verdun_-_Cimeti%C3%A8re_de_Douaumon... a winner for WLM-fr in 2011 that have been RfDed and kept (for de minimis). Since there built after 1918 there is sadly good chances that the author died after 1942…
Cdlt, ~nicolas
Hi Àlex,
Op 23-7-2013 10:53, Àlex Hinojo schreef:
- Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category
within the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
We already have a hard time explaining native English speakers that the "Monuments" part in WLM is about old buildings and not about Monuments and Memorials, this will create a lot of confusion.
What about "War and monuments" as a special theme? That can be reconstructed buildings, cementries, etc
Maarten
Hi Maarten,
I understood this actually to be the case, but only where related to specifically WW1 - but indeed including a very broad understanding of 'connected' - i.e. also buildings that played a relevant role in WW1 (Palace of Versailles). Hopefully that avoids some of the confusion we indeed anticipated already. Specifying it to a specific war might actually help in the focus - otherwise it gets very broad.
Lodewijk
2013/8/15 Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl
Hi Àlex,
Op 23-7-2013 10:53, Àlex Hinojo schreef:
- Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category within
the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
We already have a hard time explaining native English speakers that the "Monuments" part in WLM is about old buildings and not about Monuments and Memorials, this will create a lot of confusion.
What about "War and monuments" as a special theme? That can be reconstructed buildings, cementries, etc
Maarten
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Please can we not use the word 'monuments' at all in in relation to the special prize? In the UK, the expression 'war memorial' means something specific, and there will be virtually no UK entries of war memorials in that sense, since very few of them are listed buildings (which is what we are covering). In the UK, entries for the special award are likely to be buildings that had some special relevance to the war.
What about 'The WW1 special award', with entries simply having to be of a structure having some special relevance to the Great War?
Michael
______ On 16 Aug 2013, at 05:23, Lodewijk wrote:
Hi Àlex,
Op 23-7-2013 10:53, Àlex Hinojo schreef:
- Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category within the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
We already have a hard time explaining native English speakers that the "Monuments" part in WLM is about old buildings and not about Monuments and Memorials, this will create a lot of confusion.
What about "War and monuments" as a special theme? That can be reconstructed buildings, cementries, etc
Maarten
Of the 30,000 war memorials in the UK there are a large minority that are either a plaque in the village church, or a new lychgate, or a monument in front of the church. And a lot of our 60,000 grade I and II* listed buildings are of village churches. Also if you combine WW1 with WLM you'd need to decide what to do about an awful lot of entries that will look like thishttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:St._Mary_the_Virgin,_Great_Brickhill_-_geograph.org.uk_-_313303.jpg, a grade II* listed church with a war memorial in front of it.
Jonathan
regaess
On 16 August 2013 13:02, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Please can we *not* use the word 'monuments' at all in in relation to the special prize? In the UK, the expression 'war memorial' means something specific, and there will be virtually no UK entries of war memorials in that sense, since very few of them are listed buildings (which is what we are covering). In the UK, entries for the special award are likely to be buildings that had some special relevance to the war.
What about *'**The WW1 special award', *with entries simply having to be of *a structure having some special relevance to the Great War*?
Michael
On 16 Aug 2013, at 05:23, Lodewijk wrote:
Hi Àlex,
Op 23-7-2013 10:53, Àlex Hinojo schreef:
- Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category within
the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
We already have a hard time explaining native English speakers that the "Monuments" part in WLM is about old buildings and not about Monuments and Memorials, this will create a lot of confusion.
What about "War and monuments" as a special theme? That can be reconstructed buildings, cementries, etc
Maarten
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
good idea - the word monument is a tricky one! On Aug 16, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Michael Maggs wrote:
Please can we not use the word 'monuments' at all in in relation to the special prize? In the UK, the expression 'war memorial' means something specific, and there will be virtually no UK entries of war memorials in that sense, since very few of them are listed buildings (which is what we are covering). In the UK, entries for the special award are likely to be buildings that had some special relevance to the war.
What about 'The WW1 special award', with entries simply having to be of a structure having some special relevance to the Great War?
Michael
On 16 Aug 2013, at 05:23, Lodewijk wrote:
Hi Àlex,
Op 23-7-2013 10:53, Àlex Hinojo schreef:
- Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category within the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
We already have a hard time explaining native English speakers that the "Monuments" part in WLM is about old buildings and not about Monuments and Memorials, this will create a lot of confusion.
What about "War and monuments" as a special theme? That can be reconstructed buildings, cementries, etc
Maarten
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
I also like the naming :-)
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El 17/08/2013, a les 9:18, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com va escriure:
good idea - the word monument is a tricky one! On Aug 16, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Michael Maggs wrote:
Please can we not use the word 'monuments' at all in in relation to the special prize? In the UK, the expression 'war memorial' means something specific, and there will be virtually no UK entries of war memorials in that sense, since very few of them are listed buildings (which is what we are covering). In the UK, entries for the special award are likely to be buildings that had some special relevance to the war.
What about 'The WW1 special award', with entries simply having to be of a structure having some special relevance to the Great War?
Michael
On 16 Aug 2013, at 05:23, Lodewijk wrote:
Hi Àlex,
Op 23-7-2013 10:53, Àlex Hinojo schreef:
- Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category within the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
We already have a hard time explaining native English speakers that the "Monuments" part in WLM is about old buildings and not about Monuments and Memorials, this will create a lot of confusion.
What about "War and monuments" as a special theme? That can be reconstructed buildings, cementries, etc
Maarten
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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given the context, that indeed makes sense. Thanks for bringing it up!
Lodewijk
2013/8/17 Kippelboy kippelboy@gmail.com
I also like the naming :-)
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El 17/08/2013, a les 9:18, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com va escriure:
good idea - the word monument is a tricky one! On Aug 16, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Michael Maggs wrote:
Please can we *not* use the word 'monuments' at all in in relation to the special prize? In the UK, the expression 'war memorial' means something specific, and there will be virtually no UK entries of war memorials in that sense, since very few of them are listed buildings (which is what we are covering). In the UK, entries for the special award are likely to be buildings that had some special relevance to the war.
What about *'**The WW1 special award', *with entries simply having to be of *a structure having some special relevance to the Great War*?
Michael
On 16 Aug 2013, at 05:23, Lodewijk wrote:
Hi Àlex,
Op 23-7-2013 10:53, Àlex Hinojo schreef:
- Beside of sponsoring main prize, We’ll have a special category within
the contest entitled ‘World War I Monuments and Memorials'.
We already have a hard time explaining native English speakers that the "Monuments" part in WLM is about old buildings and not about Monuments and Memorials, this will create a lot of confusion.
What about "War and monuments" as a special theme? That can be reconstructed buildings, cementries, etc
Maarten
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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Please, could anyone tell me which template must add an user to indicate that that photo is participating in this category? We wanted to put it in our web site.
Thank you
Santi
My understanding is that no separate template is available. In the UK, we will be asking contestants who want to enter for this prize to include the text “WW1:” at the start of their image description. It’s clunky, but I don’t know of any better way.
Michael
On 27 Aug 2013, at 12:51, Santiago Navarro Sanz wrote:
Please, could anyone tell me which template must add an user to indicate that that photo is participating in this category? We wanted to put it in our web site.
Thank you
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On 27/08/13 16:51, Michael Maggs wrote:
My understanding is that no separate template is available. In the UK, we will be asking contestants who want to enter for this prize to include the text “*WW1:*” at the start of their image description. It’s clunky, but I don’t know of any better way.
Michael
Then we should create it. What about {{Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 - WW1 special award}} ?
(for matching the proposed naming of ‘The WW1 special award’)
@Yuvi: Can we add into the campaigns a checkbox for it?
2013/8/27 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
@Yuvi: Can we add into the campaigns a checkbox for it?
+1, it looks like best option.
There will be a special category - not a template. I believe people can add categories already in the upload form, so this option is there already. Categories are easier to add en masse (catalot etc) to images in (cross sections of) categories, so I think that would be more practical.
I'm discussing with Alex what would be the best name for the category. We probably want it to be as short, but clear, as possible?
Lodewijk
2013/8/27 Paweł Marynowski yarl@o2.pl
2013/8/27 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
@Yuvi: Can we add into the campaigns a checkbox for it?
+1, it looks like best option.
-- Paweł Marynowski
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On 27/08/13 21:49, Lodewijk wrote:
There will be a special category - not a template. I believe people can add categories already in the upload form, so this option is there already. Categories are easier to add en masse (catalot etc) to images in (cross sections of) categories, so I think that would be more practical.
I'm discussing with Alex what would be the best name for the category. We probably want it to be as short, but clear, as possible?
Lodewijk
I personally favor a template, as it can not only add it to a category but also show “This is related to the because {{{1}}}” with an icon, and is very clear for new users. But I don't oppose to a category either. I just request that such category is explicitely listed on the page (ie. no category removal because it is already in a subcategory. That would create a complication for the image lists).
If we have a category, it should be relatively easy for a bot to automatically tag all members of that category with a template. So we could have the best of both worlds :-)
A.
On 27 August 2013 21:22, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
On 27/08/13 21:49, Lodewijk wrote:
There will be a special category - not a template. I believe people can add categories already in the upload form, so this option is there already. Categories are easier to add en masse (catalot etc) to images in (cross sections of) categories, so I think that would be more practical.
I'm discussing with Alex what would be the best name for the category. We probably want it to be as short, but clear, as possible?
Lodewijk
I personally favor a template, as it can not only add it to a category but also show “This is related to the because {{{1}}}” with an icon, and is very clear for new users. But I don't oppose to a category either. I just request that such category is explicitely listed on the page (ie. no category removal because it is already in a subcategory. That would create a complication for the image lists).
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I share Andrew's opinion. Let's do a category and later if needed we Can add a category with a bot.
Regarding the name, i would follow 2011 & 2012 style: [[Category:WWI related images from Wiki loves Monuments 2013]]
Or something similar :)
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El 27/08/2013, a les 22:21, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk va escriure:
If we have a category, it should be relatively easy for a bot to automatically tag all members of that category with a template. So we could have the best of both worlds :-)
A.
On 27 August 2013 21:22, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
On 27/08/13 21:49, Lodewijk wrote:
There will be a special category - not a template. I believe people can add categories already in the upload form, so this option is there already. Categories are easier to add en masse (catalot etc) to images in (cross sections of) categories, so I think that would be more practical.
I'm discussing with Alex what would be the best name for the category. We probably want it to be as short, but clear, as possible?
Lodewijk
I personally favor a template, as it can not only add it to a category but also show “This is related to the because {{{1}}}” with an icon, and is very clear for new users. But I don't oppose to a category either. I just request that such category is explicitely listed on the page (ie. no category removal because it is already in a subcategory. That would create a complication for the image lists).
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