Hi. Last day I noticed that we could add some rules to the contest, there are a content http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Contentrules to apply to images on wikis that we can add to our rules. That rules say that free images should not be watermarkedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_watermarking, distorted or have any credits in the image itself. We could add to this rules that the images should not have a frame, all this will make that uploaded images could be used directly in wiki articles and make them more "standarized".
What do you say?.
Elisardojm
Hi Elisardo,
thanks for your suggestion. Yes, we could do that. However, I would like it really a lot if we keep everything as simple as possible. Right now we have four simple rules - that means that adding one more rule is 25% more rules - is that worth it? Of course it speaks for itself that the jury will consider watermarked images as significantly worse quality. But why would we want to forbid people to upload them? Commons accepts them too, although they do reserve the right to remove the watermarks.
Lodewijk
2011/7/20 Elisardo elisardojm@gmail.com
Hi. Last day I noticed that we could add some rules to the contest, there are a content http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Contentrules to apply to images on wikis that we can add to our rules. That rules say that free images should not be watermarkedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_watermarking, distorted or have any credits in the image itself. We could add to this rules that the images should not have a frame, all this will make that uploaded images could be used directly in wiki articles and make them more "standarized".
What do you say?.
Elisardojm
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Four? I count five :-) 1. own work 2. free license 3. september 4. id 5. email confirmed
This can be explained in detail as recomandations, not rules: usefull to Wikipedia, high resolution, digital editing only if necessary, avoid people, specially not identifiable people without consent, general views as well as closer ones, no watermarks, no frames, not only good monuments but good shots, etc. In general, anything accepted on Commons should be acceptable for WLM, but some recomandations about the judging criteria may help.
Vicenç
From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:04:19 +0200 To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Photo format
Hi Elisardo, thanks for your suggestion. Yes, we could do that. However, I would like it really a lot if we keep everything as simple as possible. Right now we have four simple rules - that means that adding one more rule is 25% more rules - is that worth it? Of course it speaks for itself that the jury will consider watermarked images as significantly worse quality. But why would we want to forbid people to upload them? Commons accepts them too, although they do reserve the right to remove the watermarks.
Lodewijk
2011/7/20 Elisardo elisardojm@gmail.com
Hi. Last day I noticed that we could add some rules to the contest, there are a content rules to apply to images on wikis that we can add to our rules. That rules say that free images should not be watermarked, distorted or have any credits in the image itself. We could add to this rules that the images should not have a frame, all this will make that uploaded images could be used directly in wiki articles and make them more "standarized".
What do you say?.
Elisardojm
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Ah, I overlooked the email confirmed, because I did not write that down in the European contest (assuming this already would be a requirement on national level, so every nominee would fulfill that already).
The jury criteria are here indeed more relevant. By the way, I tried to summarize it all a bit on http://www.visuelya.de/wlmeu/contest/ and http://www.visuelya.de/wlmeu/jury/ .
Best, Lodewijk
2011/7/20 Vicenç Riullop vriullop@hotmail.com
Four? I count five :-)
- own work
- free license
- september
- id
- email confirmed
This can be explained in detail as recomandations, not rules: usefull to Wikipedia, high resolution, digital editing only if necessary, avoid people, specially not identifiable people without consent, general views as well as closer ones, no watermarks, no frames, not only good monuments but good shots, etc. In general, anything accepted on Commons should be acceptable for WLM, but some recomandations about the judging criteria may help.
Vicenç
From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:04:19 +0200 To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Photo format
Hi Elisardo,
thanks for your suggestion. Yes, we could do that. However, I would like it really a lot if we keep everything as simple as possible. Right now we have four simple rules - that means that adding one more rule is 25% more rules - is that worth it? Of course it speaks for itself that the jury will consider watermarked images as significantly worse quality. But why would we want to forbid people to upload them? Commons accepts them too, although they do reserve the right to remove the watermarks.
Lodewijk
2011/7/20 Elisardo elisardojm@gmail.com
Hi. Last day I noticed that we could add some rules to the contest, there are a content http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Contentrules to apply to images on wikis that we can add to our rules. That rules say that free images should not be watermarkedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_watermarking, distorted or have any credits in the image itself. We could add to this rules that the images should not have a frame, all this will make that uploaded images could be used directly in wiki articles and make them more "standarized".
What do you say?.
Elisardojm
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If someone can take pictures in buildings where it is hard to get pictures (off the road, have to ask for permission in advance, need someone to open etc) I think that should be a +. Maybe that should be in the criteria ?
Nina nina.wikipedia@gmail.com
Den 20. juli 2011 kl. 16.47 skrev Lodewijk:
Ah, I overlooked the email confirmed, because I did not write that down in the European contest (assuming this already would be a requirement on national level, so every nominee would fulfill that already).
The jury criteria are here indeed more relevant. By the way, I tried to summarize it all a bit on http://www.visuelya.de/wlmeu/contest/ and http://www.visuelya.de/wlmeu/jury/ .
Best, Lodewijk
2011/7/20 Vicenç Riullop vriullop@hotmail.com Four? I count five :-)
- own work
- free license
- september
- id
- email confirmed
This can be explained in detail as recomandations, not rules: usefull to Wikipedia, high resolution, digital editing only if necessary, avoid people, specially not identifiable people without consent, general views as well as closer ones, no watermarks, no frames, not only good monuments but good shots, etc. In general, anything accepted on Commons should be acceptable for WLM, but some recomandations about the judging criteria may help.
Vicenç
From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:04:19 +0200 To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Photo format
Hi Elisardo,
thanks for your suggestion. Yes, we could do that. However, I would like it really a lot if we keep everything as simple as possible. Right now we have four simple rules - that means that adding one more rule is 25% more rules - is that worth it? Of course it speaks for itself that the jury will consider watermarked images as significantly worse quality. But why would we want to forbid people to upload them? Commons accepts them too, although they do reserve the right to remove the watermarks.
Lodewijk
2011/7/20 Elisardo elisardojm@gmail.com Hi. Last day I noticed that we could add some rules to the contest, there are a content rules to apply to images on wikis that we can add to our rules. That rules say that free images should not be watermarked, distorted or have any credits in the image itself. We could add to this rules that the images should not have a frame, all this will make that uploaded images could be used directly in wiki articles and make them more "standarized".
What do you say?.
Elisardojm
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On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Nina Wikipedia nina.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
If someone can take pictures in buildings where it is hard to get pictures (off the road, have to ask for permission in advance, need someone to open etc) I think that should be a +. Maybe that should be in the criteria ? Nina nina.wikipedia@gmail.com
I agree, the question is complicated to check that.
Ilario
I thin if I have someone to drive a car and get permission it would be lovely to have pictures inside this church: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urnes_Stave_Church. Ordenary you cant take pictures inside so you have to ask for it. I have to stay the night in hotel also. In my wiki Kunsthistorie.com I have some pictures who are not free so you can take a look: http://kunsthistorie.com/fagwiki/Urnes_stavkirke i think Wikipedia needs pictures like this and not only nice pictures taken outside monuments.
Nina nina.wikipedia@gmail.com
Den 20. juli 2011 kl. 17.24 skrev Ilario Valdelli:
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Nina Wikipedia nina.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
If someone can take pictures in buildings where it is hard to get pictures (off the road, have to ask for permission in advance, need someone to open etc) I think that should be a +. Maybe that should be in the criteria ? Nina nina.wikipedia@gmail.com
I agree, the question is complicated to check that.
Ilario
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Unfortunately we cannot put it into an equation and the perfect photos will roll out :) However, I do think this is sufficiently covered by "originality" as one of the three judging criteria. The three criteria used are very broad and intentionally not pinning down all small things that people could be "rewarded" for. If we find out it is insufficient then we can change it for next year.
With kind regards,
Lodewijk
2011/7/20 Nina Wikipedia nina.wikipedia@gmail.com
I thin if I have someone to drive a car and get permission it would be lovely to have pictures inside this church: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urnes_Stave_Church. Ordenary you cant take pictures inside so you have to ask for it. I have to stay the night in hotel also. In my wiki Kunsthistorie.com I have some pictures who are not free so you can take a look: http://kunsthistorie.com/fagwiki/Urnes_stavkirke i think Wikipedia needs pictures like this and not only nice pictures taken outside monuments.
Nina nina.wikipedia@gmail.com
Den 20. juli 2011 kl. 17.24 skrev Ilario Valdelli:
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Nina Wikipedia nina.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
If someone can take pictures in buildings where it is hard to get
pictures
(off the road, have to ask for permission in advance, need someone to
open
etc) I think that should be a +. Maybe that should be in the criteria ? Nina nina.wikipedia@gmail.com
I agree, the question is complicated to check that.
Ilario
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If there is any heritage institution in the jury he can recognize those valued photos knowing the monuments in place. But at European level this will be difficult. If the heritage institution is interested perhaps it could be a special prize for the most wanted monuments. E.g. photos missing in the local heritage website could be an incentive for their sponsonship.
Vicenç
From: nina.wikipedia@gmail.com Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:20:58 +0200 To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Photo format
If someone can take pictures in buildings where it is hard to get pictures (off the road, have to ask for permission in advance, need someone to open etc) I think that should be a +. Maybe that should be in the criteria ?
Nina nina.wikipedia@gmail.com
Den 20. juli 2011 kl. 16.47 skrev Lodewijk:Ah, I overlooked the email confirmed, because I did not write that down in the European contest (assuming this already would be a requirement on national level, so every nominee would fulfill that already).
The jury criteria are here indeed more relevant. By the way, I tried to summarize it all a bit on http://www.visuelya.de/wlmeu/contest/ and http://www.visuelya.de/wlmeu/jury/ .
Best,Lodewijk
2011/7/20 Vicenç Riullop vriullop@hotmail.com
Four? I count five :-) 1. own work 2. free license 3. september 4. id 5. email confirmed
This can be explained in detail as recomandations, not rules: usefull to Wikipedia, high resolution, digital editing only if necessary, avoid people, specially not identifiable people without consent, general views as well as closer ones, no watermarks, no frames, not only good monuments but good shots, etc. In general, anything accepted on Commons should be acceptable for WLM, but some recomandations about the judging criteria may help.
Vicenç
From: lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:04:19 +0200 To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Photo format
Hi Elisardo, thanks for your suggestion. Yes, we could do that. However, I would like it really a lot if we keep everything as simple as possible. Right now we have four simple rules - that means that adding one more rule is 25% more rules - is that worth it? Of course it speaks for itself that the jury will consider watermarked images as significantly worse quality. But why would we want to forbid people to upload them? Commons accepts them too, although they do reserve the right to remove the watermarks.
Lodewijk
2011/7/20 Elisardo elisardojm@gmail.com
Hi. Last day I noticed that we could add some rules to the contest, there are a content rules to apply to images on wikis that we can add to our rules. That rules say that free images should not be watermarked, distorted or have any credits in the image itself. We could add to this rules that the images should not have a frame, all this will make that uploaded images could be used directly in wiki articles and make them more "standarized".
What do you say?.
Elisardojm
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Hi everyone,
I would like to point out https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/Commons:Image_guidelines This describes exactly the properties of a very good photo.
Maarten
2011/7/20 Elisardo elisardojm@gmail.com:
Hi. Last day I noticed that we could add some rules to the contest, there are a content rules to apply to images on wikis that we can add to our rules. That rules say that free images should not be watermarked, distorted or have any credits in the image itself. We could add to this rules that the images should not have a frame, all this will make that uploaded images could be used directly in wiki articles and make them more "standarized".
Yes. We have just added such requirements to our rules alredy.
I think don't worth the trouble, after all we have CropBothttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cropbotto remove all frames if needed. And tbh, i don't think that will be that many. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
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2011/7/20 Elisardo elisardojm@gmail.com
Hi. Last day I noticed that we could add some rules to the contest, there are a content http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Contentrules to apply to images on wikis that we can add to our rules. That rules say that free images should not be watermarkedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_watermarking, distorted or have any credits in the image itself. We could add to this rules that the images should not have a frame, all this will make that uploaded images could be used directly in wiki articles and make them more "standarized".
What do you say?.
Elisardojm
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On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Elisardo elisardojm@gmail.com wrote:
Hi. Last day I noticed that we could add some rules to the contest, there are a content rules to apply to images on wikis that we can add to our rules. That rules say that free images should not be watermarked, distorted or have any credits in the image itself. We could add to this rules that the images should not have a frame, all this will make that uploaded images could be used directly in wiki articles and make them more "standarized".
What do you say?.
Elisardojm
Yes, I have other questions:
a) movies, are they admitted (a movie is a sequence of photos), for example I have movie about the bell of one bell tower included in the list? b) images created by the user (for example a map of the building or for example a reconstruction of the building, this could be interesting for archeological sites)
Are these excluded? In my opinion at least the second type should be included.
Ilario
Hi Ilario,
a) movies might be admitted in a special category - probably directly to the European contest to create sufficient critical mass. Maarten is working on this with Sound & Vision, and will probably send an update about that seperately on this list. It would basically be a seperate contest. b) Strictly speaking the current rules do not seem to forbid it - but personally I would prefer to stick to photos only for the main contest, to keep things simple. It is already hard to compare two very different photos, it will be even harder to compare a good photo and a map. I think last year in NL we *did* decide to allow drawings of buildings (so not maps, but just a drawing like a photo), but in the end no such submission was made.
Lodewijk
2011/7/21 Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Elisardo elisardojm@gmail.com wrote:
Hi. Last day I noticed that we could add some rules to the contest, there are
a
content rules to apply to images on wikis that we can add to our rules.
That
rules say that free images should not be watermarked, distorted or have
any
credits in the image itself. We could add to this rules that the images should not have a frame, all this will make that uploaded images could be used directly in wiki articles and make them more "standarized".
What do you say?.
Elisardojm
Yes, I have other questions:
a) movies, are they admitted (a movie is a sequence of photos), for example I have movie about the bell of one bell tower included in the list? b) images created by the user (for example a map of the building or for example a reconstruction of the building, this could be interesting for archeological sites)
Are these excluded? In my opinion at least the second type should be included.
Ilario
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