Hi Michael,
Op 20-5-2013 16:02, Michael Maggs schreef:
Hi Maarten Many thanks, that is a fantastic start!
You're welcome. I prefer to keep the discussions on the mailing list. That way other people can learn from it or help out.
Having discussed this with others on the (so far informal) UK team, and also with WMUK staff, one of the main problems we are going to have is that none of us have the real technical expertise to accomplish the sort of thing you have been doing. We can get hold of that raw data, but importing that into the main WLM database, and providing user tools and so on may be beyond what we can achieve without outside help (or, at least, no-one in the UK with that expertise has yet volunteered to help out).
You should focus on getting the data and putting it on Wikipedia as lists. Usually getting the data is the difficult part. For the next steps see https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Monuments_database/S... . Many countries managed to get this done so I'm sure someone is willing to assist you with this.
Your reputation has preceded you, and I know that you are extremely busy, but you couldn’t give us a hand, could you - or perhaps suggest someone else who might have the skills to do that?
I hope someone on this list well respond to this :-)
Maarten
On 20 May 2013 16:06, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
You should focus on getting the data and putting it on Wikipedia as lists. Usually getting the data is the difficult part. For the next steps see https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Monuments_database/S.... Many countries managed to get this done so I'm sure someone is willing to assist you with this.
Cool, didn't know that page existed. Contain just the information I've been looking for! :)
Katie
If you still have questions about it, please ask!
Romaine
--- On Mon, 5/20/13, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
From: Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM in the UK To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 3:16 PM
On 20 May 2013 16:06, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
You should focus on getting the data and putting it on Wikipedia as lists. Usually getting the data is the difficult part.
For the next steps see https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Monuments_database/S... . Many countries managed to get this done so I'm sure someone is willing to assist you with this.
Cool, didn't know that page existed. Contain just the information I've been looking for! :) Katie
Maarten's notes were meant to be used on Wikipedia, but I believe some groups have their lists on Commons - isn't that right?
I added an example template using a list item from the Dutch lists on the English Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments#Unique_identifiers
Hopefully this will also help people with the template set-up part. This is the way things are now, but is there any progress on moving these templates to another system such as Lua or WikiData?
On May 24, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Romaine Wiki wrote:
If you still have questions about it, please ask!
Romaine
--- On Mon, 5/20/13, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
From: Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM in the UK To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 3:16 PM
On 20 May 2013 16:06, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
You should focus on getting the data and putting it on Wikipedia as lists. Usually getting the data is the difficult part. For the next steps see https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Monuments_database/S... . Many countries managed to get this done so I'm sure someone is willing to assist you with this.
Cool, didn't know that page existed. Contain just the information I've been looking for! :)
Katie
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On 24.05.2013 06:41, Jane Darnell wrote:
Maarten's notes were meant to be used on Wikipedia, but I believe some groups have their lists on Commons - isn't that right?
I believe all groups have their lists on Wikipedia. The only exception is Russia, which last time did not use lists at all, and strongly discouraged their creation. There are several of the Russian lists on Commons, created by me and other users, and several I believe somewhere on Russian Wikipedia, but those lists are not maintained, not used for WLM, and only cover a tiny fraction of the monuments.
Cheers Yaroslav
BTW recently (May, 14?) two of the churches in the triple church ensemble of Lyadiny burned down. I still managed to take a photo of the ensemble, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lyadiny1.jpg , when I visited several years ago (only the middle church on the photo survived). This was one of the five existing triple wooden ensembles in the world. Media, as usual, did not care at all, but may be we could use it in some promotion work for WLM.
Yaroslav, how sad! (about both the lack of lists on ru wiki *and* the loss of the churches - they were beautiful) This is definitely one of the reasons I contribute to WLM!
On May 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
On 24.05.2013 06:41, Jane Darnell wrote:
Maarten's notes were meant to be used on Wikipedia, but I believe some groups have their lists on Commons - isn't that right?
I believe all groups have their lists on Wikipedia. The only exception is Russia, which last time did not use lists at all, and strongly discouraged their creation. There are several of the Russian lists on Commons, created by me and other users, and several I believe somewhere on Russian Wikipedia, but those lists are not maintained, not used for WLM, and only cover a tiny fraction of the monuments.
Cheers Yaroslav
BTW recently (May, 14?) two of the churches in the triple church ensemble of Lyadiny burned down. I still managed to take a photo of the ensemble, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lyadiny1.jpg , when I visited several years ago (only the middle church on the photo survived). This was one of the five existing triple wooden ensembles in the world. Media, as usual, did not care at all, but may be we could use it in some promotion work for WLM.
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Thanks for your help Maarten, and I've noted your preference for discussions to go via the list.
Michael
On 20 May 2013, at 16:06, Maarten Dammers wrote:
Hi Michael,
Op 20-5-2013 16:02, Michael Maggs schreef:
Hi Maarten Many thanks, that is a fantastic start!
You're welcome. I prefer to keep the discussions on the mailing list. That way other people can learn from it or help out.
Having discussed this with others on the (so far informal) UK team, and also with WMUK staff, one of the main problems we are going to have is that none of us have the real technical expertise to accomplish the sort of thing you have been doing. We can get hold of that raw data, but importing that into the main WLM database, and providing user tools and so on may be beyond what we can achieve without outside help (or, at least, no-one in the UK with that expertise has yet volunteered to help out).
You should focus on getting the data and putting it on Wikipedia as lists. Usually getting the data is the difficult part. For the next steps see https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Monuments_database/S... . Many countries managed to get this done so I'm sure someone is willing to assist you with this.
Your reputation has preceded you, and I know that you are extremely busy, but you couldn’t give us a hand, could you - or perhaps suggest someone else who might have the skills to do that?
I hope someone on this list well respond to this :-)
Maarten
wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org