Hey Olanian,
maybe it would help if you could share what definition of 'monument' you're
planning to use? That could give us some insight, and make answering
easier.
Best,
Lodewijk
2016-07-19 19:27 GMT+02:00 Lily <lilyofthewest.wikimedia(a)gmail.com>om>:
+ André
Hi all,
Below you can find my comments:
*Brazil*
Juliana, it is okay for your monuments to belong to multiple lists. In
your case, you can create three top level entry points for lists by the National
Institute of Cultural Heritage Preservation, the States and the
Municipalities. This way, participants may have multiple entry points to a
single monument, which is fine. :) This being said, please document this
clearly, as when the data is going to be transferred to Wikidata, we may
need to be aware of this.
*Ukraine*
Vira, this is an important question and something we should address with
the Wikidata community. :) André works on transitioning the data to
Wikidata and it would be great to hear his thoughts here.
*Nigeria*
Shola, you are already being helped by others which is great. :) Three
more things to share:
1) Please make sure that there is no official monument ID. If you have
doubts, please ask a bit more. It's best for us to use the official numbers
when they exist. :)
2) You can read about the use of unique identifiers and how to define them
here
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2016/Lists_of_monuments#What_to_keep_in_mind_with_creating_a_list_of_monuments.3F>.
That link refers to the same link Vicenç mentioned earlier and it tells
you a bit more as well.
3) In the case of Nigeria, my suggestion is for you to wait for Romaine to
work with you to create the lists on Wikipedia (Follow up at
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140583). After that, I'd like us to
have a discussion with André to see what the best way to create IDs for
Nigeria is. We used to recommend creating IDs to countries when no official
monument ID existed, however, now that Wikidata is more present in our
ecosystem, it's not clear that we should do that. We may want to create the
lists on Wikipedia first, make sure that each monument on the list has a
corresponding item in Wikidata, and then potentially use that Wikidata item
number as the unique ID for the monument.
Cheers,
Leila
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Vicenç <vriullop(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
It deppends on your source. If it is published
you can use something
useful for your reference, like "source identifier"-"page
number"-"monument
order within the page". If it is hard the construct an unique identifier,
you can add a preffix with subdivisions codes like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:NG
In Wikipedia this is considered original research, so try to make it as
close as possible to a reference system.
Vicenç
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That's cool!
It's there a standard way of numbering?
I will appreciate if anyone on the platform can help me with it.
Thanks.
Olaniyan Olushola
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Hi!
You should invent an identifyer yourself so that later you can match
these with official lists when they are published.
Mārtiņš
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Olushola Olaniyan <
olaniyanshola15(a)gmail.com> wrote:
In Nigeria, majority of the museums are not
computerised. Hence, they do
not have a unique identifier for the monument.
What can we do in this case?
Olaniyan Olushola
Director, Wikimedia UG Nigeria
Project Lead, Wiki Loves Women
Treasurer, FOSSFA
MD, Olbims Consulting (ERP Consultant)
Phone: +2348154876844|2348167352512
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olaniyanshola(a)yahoo.com
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Olushola(a)wikiloveswomen.org
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Thanks. Vira. It is my first time in WLM Brazil and I hope that me and
my volunteer colleagues can find a good solution. As you said, maybe it is
going to be easier to follow the lists with the highest rank. And about the
Wikidata, I hope we can have time to work on there too. If it happens, we
will be glad to share the experience here.
Best,
Juliana
2016-07-19 10:14 GMT-03:00 Vira Motorko <vira.motorko(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hi,
I can put here a little about WLM in Ukrainian. Just as in Brazil, our
monuments appear in lists of different levels with different IDs.
Moreover, official IDs are not unique through the state and may repeat
in different regions.
We created our own system of giving IDs to monuments. We would like to
save them because the system we cteated is very convenient. But, being
original research, these IDs prevent us from transferring all the lists to
Wikidata.
If you have official IDs, use them (I guess).
If there are several of the them for the same monument, it may be
reasonable to take the ID from the list with the highest rank.
If you can advise us what to do with on-wiki-created IDs concerning
Wikidata, I will be happy :)
I don't speak on behalf of WLM UA orgs, just on my own.
Best
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