Thanks. Vira. It is my first time in WLM Brazil and I hope that me and my volunteer colleagues can find a good solution. As you said, maybe it is going to be easier to follow the lists with the highest rank. And about the Wikidata, I hope we can have time to work on there too. If it happens, we will be glad to share the experience here.

Best,

Juliana

2016-07-19 10:14 GMT-03:00 Vira Motorko vira.motorko@gmail.com:

Hi,

I can put here a little about WLM in Ukrainian. Just as in Brazil, our monuments appear in lists of different levels with different IDs. Moreover, official IDs are not unique through the state and may repeat in different regions. We created our own system of giving IDs to monuments. We would like to save them because the system we cteated is very convenient. But, being original research, these IDs prevent us from transferring all the lists to Wikidata.

If you have official IDs, use them (I guess). If there are several of the them for the same monument, it may be reasonable to take the ID from the list with the highest rank. If you can advise us what to do with on-wiki-created IDs concerning Wikidata, I will be happy :)

​I don't speak on behalf of WLM UA orgs, just on my own.​

​Best​

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Hi!

You should invent an identifyer yourself so that later you can match these with official lists when they are published.

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On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Olushola Olaniyan < olaniyanshola15@gmail.com> wrote:

In Nigeria, majority of the museums are not computerised. Hence, they do not have a unique identifier for the monument.

What can we do in this case?

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Thanks. Vira. It is my first time in WLM Brazil and I hope that me and my volunteer colleagues can find a good solution. As you said, maybe it is going to be easier to follow the lists with the highest rank. And about the Wikidata, I hope we can have time to work on there too. If it happens, we will be glad to share the experience here.

Best,

Juliana

2016-07-19 10:14 GMT-03:00 Vira Motorko vira.motorko@gmail.com:

...

Hi,

I can put here a little about WLM in Ukrainian. Just as in Brazil, our monuments appear in lists of different levels with different IDs. Moreover, official IDs are not unique through the state and may repeat in different regions. We created our own system of giving IDs to monuments. We would like to save them because the system we cteated is very convenient. But, being original research, these IDs prevent us from transferring all the lists to Wikidata.

If you have official IDs, use them (I guess). If there are several of the them for the same monument, it may be reasonable to take the ID from the list with the highest rank. If you can advise us what to do with on-wiki-created IDs concerning Wikidata, I will be happy :)

​I don't speak on behalf of WLM UA orgs, just on my own.​

​Best​

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It deppends on your source. If it is published you can use something useful for your reference, like "source identifier"-"page number"-"monument order within the page". If it is hard the construct an unique identifier, you can add a preffix with subdivisions codes like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:NG

In Wikipedia this is considered original research, so try to make it as close as possible to a reference system.

Vicenç

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That's cool!

It's there a standard way of numbering?

I will appreciate if anyone on the platform can help me with it.

Thanks.

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From: Mārtiņš Bruņenieks Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 3:19 PM To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition Reply To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] unique identifier for the monument

Hi!

You should invent an identifyer yourself so that later you can match these with official lists when they are published.

Mārtiņš

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Olushola Olaniyan <olaniyanshola15@gmail.commailto:olaniyanshola15@gmail.com> wrote: In Nigeria, majority of the museums are not computerised. Hence, they do not have a unique identifier for the monument.

What can we do in this case?

Olaniyan Olushola Director, Wikimedia UG Nigeria Project Lead, Wiki Loves Women Treasurer, FOSSFA MD, Olbims Consulting (ERP Consultant) Phone: +2348154876844tel:%2B2348154876844|2348167352512 Email: olaniyanshola15@gmail.commailto:olaniyanshola15@gmail.com olaniyanshola@yahoo.commailto:olaniyanshola@yahoo.com |treasurer@fossfa.netmailto:treasurer@fossfa.net Olushola@wikiloveswomen.orgmailto:Olushola@wikiloveswomen.org User: Olaniyan Olushola Facebook: Olaniyan Shola Twitter :Oluwanishola73

From: Juliana Monteiro Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 3:05 PM To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition Reply To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] unique identifier for the monument

Thanks. Vira. It is my first time in WLM Brazil and I hope that me and my volunteer colleagues can find a good solution. As you said, maybe it is going to be easier to follow the lists with the highest rank. And about the Wikidata, I hope we can have time to work on there too. If it happens, we will be glad to share the experience here.

Best,

Juliana

2016-07-19 10:14 GMT-03:00 Vira Motorko <vira.motorko@gmail.commailto:vira.motorko@gmail.com>: Hi,

I can put here a little about WLM in Ukrainian. Just as in Brazil, our monuments appear in lists of different levels with different IDs. Moreover, official IDs are not unique through the state and may repeat in different regions. We created our own system of giving IDs to monuments. We would like to save them because the system we cteated is very convenient. But, being original research, these IDs prevent us from transferring all the lists to Wikidata.

If you have official IDs, use them (I guess). If there are several of the them for the same monument, it may be reasonable to take the ID from the list with the highest rank. If you can advise us what to do with on-wiki-created IDs concerning Wikidata, I will be happy :)

I don't speak on behalf of WLM UA orgs, just on my own.

Best

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Hey Olanian,

maybe it would help if you could share what definition of 'monument' you're planning to use? That could give us some insight, and make answering easier.

Best, Lodewijk

2016-07-19 19:27 GMT+02:00 Lily lilyofthewest.wikimedia@gmail.com:

• André

Hi all,

Below you can find my comments:

*Brazil* Juliana, it is okay for your monuments to belong to multiple lists. In your case, you can create three top level entry points for lists by the National Institute of Cultural Heritage Preservation, the States and the Municipalities. This way, participants may have multiple entry points to a single monument, which is fine. :) This being said, please document this clearly, as when the data is going to be transferred to Wikidata, we may need to be aware of this.

*Ukraine* Vira, this is an important question and something we should address with the Wikidata community. :) André works on transitioning the data to Wikidata and it would be great to hear his thoughts here.

*Nigeria* Shola, you are already being helped by others which is great. :) Three more things to share:

1. Please make sure that there is no official monument ID. If you have

doubts, please ask a bit more. It's best for us to use the official numbers when they exist. :)

2. You can read about the use of unique identifiers and how to define them

here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2016/Lists_of_monuments#What_to_keep_in_mind_with_creating_a_list_of_monuments.3F. That link refers to the same link Vicenç mentioned earlier and it tells you a bit more as well.

3. In the case of Nigeria, my suggestion is for you to wait for Romaine to

work with you to create the lists on Wikipedia (Follow up at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140583). After that, I'd like us to have a discussion with André to see what the best way to create IDs for Nigeria is. We used to recommend creating IDs to countries when no official monument ID existed, however, now that Wikidata is more present in our ecosystem, it's not clear that we should do that. We may want to create the lists on Wikipedia first, make sure that each monument on the list has a corresponding item in Wikidata, and then potentially use that Wikidata item number as the unique ID for the monument.

Cheers, Leila

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Vicenç vriullop@hotmail.com wrote:

...

It deppends on your source. If it is published you can use something useful for your reference, like "source identifier"-"page number"-"monument order within the page". If it is hard the construct an unique identifier, you can add a preffix with subdivisions codes like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:NG

In Wikipedia this is considered original research, so try to make it as close as possible to a reference system.

Vicenç

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That's cool!

It's there a standard way of numbering?

I will appreciate if anyone on the platform can help me with it.

Thanks.

Olaniyan Olushola Director, Wikimedia UG Nigeria Project Lead, Wiki Loves Women Treasurer, FOSSFA MD, Olbims Consulting (ERP Consultant) Phone: +2348154876844|2348167352512 Email: olaniyanshola15@gmail.com olaniyanshola@yahoo.com |treasurer@fossfa.net Olushola@wikiloveswomen.org User: Olaniyan Olushola Facebook: Olaniyan Shola Twitter :Oluwanishola73

*From: *Mārtiņš Bruņenieks *Sent: *Tuesday, July 19, 2016 3:19 PM *To: *Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition *Reply To: *Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition *Subject: *Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] unique identifier for the monument

Hi!

You should invent an identifyer yourself so that later you can match these with official lists when they are published.

Mārtiņš

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Olushola Olaniyan < olaniyanshola15@gmail.com> wrote:

...

In Nigeria, majority of the museums are not computerised. Hence, they do not have a unique identifier for the monument.

What can we do in this case?

Olaniyan Olushola Director, Wikimedia UG Nigeria Project Lead, Wiki Loves Women Treasurer, FOSSFA MD, Olbims Consulting (ERP Consultant) Phone: +2348154876844|2348167352512 Email: olaniyanshola15@gmail.com olaniyanshola@yahoo.com |treasurer@fossfa.net Olushola@wikiloveswomen.org User: Olaniyan Olushola Facebook: Olaniyan Shola Twitter :Oluwanishola73

*From: *Juliana Monteiro *Sent: *Tuesday, July 19, 2016 3:05 PM *To: *Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition *Reply To: *Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition *Subject: *Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] unique identifier for the monument

Thanks. Vira. It is my first time in WLM Brazil and I hope that me and my volunteer colleagues can find a good solution. As you said, maybe it is going to be easier to follow the lists with the highest rank. And about the Wikidata, I hope we can have time to work on there too. If it happens, we will be glad to share the experience here.

Best,

Juliana

2016-07-19 10:14 GMT-03:00 Vira Motorko vira.motorko@gmail.com:

...

Hi,

I can put here a little about WLM in Ukrainian. Just as in Brazil, our monuments appear in lists of different levels with different IDs. Moreover, official IDs are not unique through the state and may repeat in different regions. We created our own system of giving IDs to monuments. We would like to save them because the system we cteated is very convenient. But, being original research, these IDs prevent us from transferring all the lists to Wikidata.

If you have official IDs, use them (I guess). If there are several of the them for the same monument, it may be reasonable to take the ID from the list with the highest rank. If you can advise us what to do with on-wiki-created IDs concerning Wikidata, I will be happy :)

I don't speak on behalf of WLM UA orgs, just on my own.

Best

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Best approach is to use ID from higuest level. You can have internally several IDs in the template, for your control or for linking to different dababases if they are available online, but show only an unique ID.

Vicenç

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Hello all!

Nice to see other fellows form South America and around here.

As we are started talking about the unique identifier for the monuments, I would like to ask the group about the following situation: in Brazil we have monuments listed by the National Institute of Cultural Heritage Preservation, by the States and the municipalities - and sometimes, a monument can be at the three lists at the same time, with different numbers.

We know that the system used for the competition only accepts one number to identifies the monument, but maybe it would be nice if it could afford the information that a buiding is not listed only as National Cultural Heritage, but in other levels as well (when it is the case).

For now, we are thinking about removing fromt the lists the monuments that are repeated, i.e., when a monument is already on the national list, it wont appear on the State list and so on. But we dont know if it is the best thing to do.

Is there someone here in the list who has already dealt with a situation like this? Could you share with us how you solve the problem that the system only identifies a monument by only one number?

Best regards,

Juliana

2016-07-19 5:36 GMT-03:00 Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.orgmailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>: (starting a new thread, that way it's easier to find)

the identifier of a monument usually originates from the 'authority' (the government, usually). There are some good examples here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2016/Lists_o...

If that doesn't answer your question, please let us know!

Best, Lodewijk

2016-07-19 10:32 GMT+02:00 Olushola Olaniyan <olaniyanshola15@gmail.commailto:olaniyanshola15@gmail.com>: Great!!!

One of the questions that I need this platform to answer for us is in the area of ID for monument.

Where does the ID comes from, is it the WLM or from the originating country of the monuments.

Best Regards.

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From: Lodewijk Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:25 AM To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition Reply To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] From Perú, first WLM 2016

Glad to see participation from both Nigeria and Peru! I hope you'll feel welcome to ask any questions you have on this mailing list - we have a bunch of experienced organisers from a wide range of countries here, so many may have dealt with similar issues.

Best, Lodewijk (former member & organiser in the international team)

2016-07-19 8:32 GMT+02:00 attolippip <attolippip@gmail.commailto:attolippip@gmail.com>: Wow :) Welcome!

Best regards, antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv

2016-07-19 9:03 GMT+03:00 Olushola Olaniyan <olaniyanshola15@gmail.commailto:olaniyanshola15@gmail.com>: ‎Hi Everyone

This is to thank WLM team especially Leila for contacting us and also provide needed information for our participation.

This is our first time of participation and we wish to make it count with marvelous works.

We are here to learn.

Best Regards.

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Original Message From: Johnattan Rupire Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:36 AM To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition Reply To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] From Perú, first WLM 2016

Hi erevyone, I want introduce me on this list and send to you many greatins from Perú, this is our first year in WLM and I want to work in it! we are starting a coordination group to do this.

I hope have more information to share with you soon.

Thanks a lot to Leila, from international team, who made contact with me abut this and invited me to this list.

Regards

Txolo is my username on Wikipedia

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