Langcom June 2017

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Fwd: Dinka Wikipedia
by Amir E. Aharoni 21 Jun '17

21 Jun '17

See below—a confirmation from Coppe van Urk, a Dinka researcher, that the Dinka Wikipedia incubator articles are written in Dinka. I was impatient, so I followed Vito Genovese's advice, and it worked quickly :) Can we proceed with approval? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Coppe van Urk <c.vanurk(a)qmul.ac.uk> Date: 2017-06-01 16:53 GMT+03:00 Subject: Re: Dinka Wikipedia To: Amir E. Aharoni ‫‎<amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il>‎‬ Dear Amir, Yes, all of these articles seem to be written in fluent Dinka. Note that, although I have studied the language extensively, I'm not a native speaker so it's possible that there are errors I'm not spotting. Best, Coppe 2017-06-01 14:38 GMT+01:00 Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il>: > Dear Dr. van Urk > > My name is Amir Aharoni, and I'm a member of the Wikimedia Language > Committee. > > We received a request to create a new domain for an edition of Wikipedia > in the Dinka language. Several test articles were already written for it, > and as part of our domain creation procedure, we need to check with a > third-party expert that the articles were indeed written in this language. > > Here's a sample of articles that were written: > > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wp/din > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/din/Thud%C3%A4n > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/din/Manyw%C3%AB%C3%ABth > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/din/Arekw%C3%ABl > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/din/Lu%C3%B6l_Ajou_De%C5%8B_Akuei > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/din/Ruanda > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/din/K%C3%A4th%C9%9B% > C9%9Br_ke_Cu%C3%ABny_Thud%C3%A4n > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/din/R%C9%9B%C9%9Bnke > n_T%C9%94%C5%8Bbaai_%C3%AB_Thud%C3%A4%C3%A4n > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/din/Ku%C9%9Br%C3%AByor > > All I need to know is whether the text there actually looks like it's > written in the Dinka language. > > Thank you! > > -- > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > ‪“We're living in pieces, > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ >

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Celtic Knot conference in Edinburgh July 6th
by Jon Harald Søby 14 Jun '17

14 Jun '17

Hi all, Just letting you know in case you don't: Wikimedia UK is organizing a Wikimedia language conference in Edinburgh on July 6, called Celtic Knot <https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Celtic_Knot_Conference_2017>. Originally conceived as a conference about Celtic language Wikipedias, its focus was expanded to include indigenous Wikipedias in general, as there was quite a bit of interest from outside of Celtic languages as well. I'll be going as part of my job in Wikimedia Norge, talking together with Astrid Carlsen about our Northern Sami Wikipedia project, but I figured that I should try to represent the language committee as well in case anyone there needs any input or help from us. And finally, registration is still open for another two weeks if anyone else is interested in going. :-) -- mvh Jon Harald Søby

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proposal to split core messages to several files
by Amir E. Aharoni 13 Jun '17

13 Jun '17

Hi, [meta: This is cross-posted to mediawiki-i18n and Language Committee mailing lists as a notification. It would be more convenient to continue the discussion in Phabricator. ] I am proposing to split the long file with the list of translatable core MediaWiki messages to several groups: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T167762 The intention is to make the translation process easier, especially into new languages and languages where the current translation completeness is low. [1] Everything else is there—you're welcome to comment. [1] https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:MessageGroupStats&group=cor… ). -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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[i18n software news] Many new input methods
by Amir E. Aharoni 13 Jun '17

13 Jun '17

Hi, Another extra edition of i18n software news for today :) Wikimedia Foundation's Language team, in which I am the product manager, maintains the jquery.ime library, which provides typing solution for wikis in languages that may have lacking keyboard support [1] Over the years people sent as many additions with new keyboards. Some of them were reviewed, merged, and deployed, but a few others somehow got forgotten and got stuck in the review queue. Over the last few weeks I went over many old patches, and got them updated, fixed, and merged, so now it's possible to type in the following languages without installing any extra software: * Tibetan ("Sambhota" input method by Elie Roux) * Lushotseed (by Joshua Crowgey) * Several vertical Mongolian and Phags Pa input methods (Feilong Huang) * Piedmontese and Venetian (these are actually fairly simple European languages with common Latin diacritics that are available on Italian keyboards, but the communities wanted an input method) Two more are still in the queue, as I'm waiting for some clarifications: Gothic and Ho. The Gothic one [2] is awaiting clarifications from the people who are interested in it. As for Ho, I asked the Language committee about it a few days ago. I generally support merging the keyboard layout, but I need to know which default script to define when I add the language code. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector/Inp… [2] https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.ime/pull/494 -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Dutch Wikinews
by Amir E. Aharoni 13 Jun '17

13 Jun '17

Hi, Some people wondered about the state of Dutch Wikinews at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#No_a… There was already some discussion about it at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Request_for_launchi… and there were different opinions. I'm neutral about this matter. Does anybody in the committee have a particular opinion on it? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Bodo autonym
by Amir E. Aharoni 13 Jun '17

13 Jun '17

Hi, At the langcom meeting in Berlin today Satdeep and Miloš brought up the topic of adding support for translating into the Bodo language. It's easy to do technically, but I want to use this as an opportunity to make sure that we have the autonym written correctly. * The current language database file <https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.uls/blob/master/data/langdb.yaml#L78> in the UniversalLanguageSelector extension lists it as "बड़ो". * The English Wikipedia article <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodo_language> says "बर'". Note the apostrophe in the end. I remember reading somewhere (probably the InScript standards files) that apostrophe in a part of the orthography of some languages of India, so it sounds possible. * The main page of the Bodo Incubator <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/brx/%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B9%E0%…> also has "बर'", as does the article about the language <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/brx/%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%B0%27_%E0%A4%B0…> . * To confuse things completely, Ethnologue <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/brx> says "बोडो‎". (It also gives the main English name of the language as "Bodo"). So what is correct? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Atikamekw Wikipedia - expert?
by Amir E. Aharoni 12 Jun '17

12 Jun '17

Hi, It looks to me like the Atikamekw Wikipedia Incubator is in a pretty good shape in terms of activity: * The most used messages in translatewiki are done: https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?filter=%21translated&actio… * The Incubator has 360 pages that look pretty OK to me: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/atj * There are more than five users that have been continuously active for several months: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/atj&wik… The only thing left is an expert confirmation. Given that the Incubator's development was supported by the Wikimedia Canada chapter, I have no reasons to think that anything there can be wrong, but if anybody happens to know anybody who can check it, it will still be the right thing to do. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Language codes
by Gerard Meijssen 11 Jun '17

11 Jun '17

Hoi, There is a flood of incoming language codes for monolingual codes in Wikidata. The scenario that is unfolding is similar as it was in the beginning of Wikipedia. A few people that request a flood of codes without any real need. The result has been a chaos that has still not been resolved. With the new codes coming in without a reasonable case made why I think we are making a mistake. A mistake with consequences that we will regret. Thanks, GerardM

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Re: [Langcom] [Maniphest] [Updated] T165648: Add monolingual language code for nrf Guernésiais
by Gerard Meijssen 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

Hoi, In this case I think the language committee wants to be involved. This is one of the longstanding issues we face and we do not want to muddle the waters even more. So in this case it is not ok to move forward imho. Thanks, GerardM On 8 June 2017 at 16:54, Nikki <no-reply(a)phabricator.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Nikki added a comment. > > We already have Norman under the (completely incorrect) code nrm and > T25216 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T25216> is asking for the > existing Norman Wikipedia to be moved from that code to nrf. If that > happens, I would expect Wikidata to also switch to using nrf for Norman. > nrf explicitly covers both Jèrriais and Guernésiais and possibly applies > to the other mutually intelligible varieties too (might be worth asking the > ISO 639-3 RA for clarification). Either way, if you specifically want to > say Guernésiais, I would suggest nrf-gg (i.e. including the country code > for Guernsey) as a more appropriate code (and then Jèrriais would be > nrf-je). > > *TASK DETAIL* > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T165648 > > *EMAIL PREFERENCES* > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ > > *To: *Nikki > *Cc: *Nikki, jhsoby, GerardM, Baba_Tabita, Aklapper, Esc3300, > GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 >

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Currently pending approval questions
by Steven White 07 Jun '17

07 Jun '17

Ladies and gentlemen: Aside from the Dinka and Atikamekw Wikipedias, which are undergoing some final review now, there are a number of other tests where members are clamoring for further action. I'm trying the best I can to give guidance where appropriate, but at this point, I can use some action, or at least guidance, as to how these test communities can proceed: * Dutch Wikinews. Some of the discussion is starting to get personal, which is not good. My view is that there are one or two firm opponents, with others generally in favor. But some of you should decide that for yourselves. — LangCom started discussing this project, but then that discussion fell off without a firm answer. As far as I can tell, the test community has fulfilled the written requirements. — In any event, I think at this point we need an answer. If that answer will be no, you will need to provide further guidance as to what the test community needs to do for approval. If the answer will be yes, somebody may have to make a decision about the front page of Dutch Wikipedia, which has been mentioned a couple of times in the discussion at Meta:Talk:Language committee. <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee> In particular: I assume the Dutch Wikipedia community owns its front page link to "Actueel", which leads to the Dutch Wikipedia news portal. But does the Dutch Wikipedia community own the "sister projects" link at the bottom of its main page, too? Right now, it links to English Wikinews, but if this project is approved, it should properly point to Dutch Wikinews. I could see a separate fight potentially breaking out over that. * Hindi Wikivoyage and Wikiversity. The big question here is whether LangCom will approve these projects before all 30,000 messages in the full MediaWiki group are translated. Again, this is a discussion that started last month, then fizzled out. The only advice I can give these groups right now is to keep translating interface, and I am doing that. But ... if you are going to insist on all 30,000 messages, you had better come out there and say so. If not, decide what you think is acceptable, and say that. Or approve these now and ask people to keep working on the translations anyway. * Lingua Franca Nova Wikipedia. I think this project is now ready for you to evaluate for approval. Please let me know if I can help provide any more information. Steven Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

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