Yes, the brand is what guided the founding members of the group when choosing the name, especially thinking about global outreach; but we are certainly looking at all Wikimedia projects. Wikidata is very much a focus - actually, I was the one to suggest and lead the Wikidata & Education session at WikidataCon and have been including WD in my academic courses for a few years now, so I have a personal interest in what you're doing, Daniel. ☺ In general, initiatives around any of the other sister projects are very much of an interest. There are success stories / best practices that I can think of about working with WikiQuote, WikiSource, WikiBooks and of course WikiCommons. We'd love to document more examples we might not be aware of.
Shani.
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:10 Vojtěch Dostál, vojtech.dostal@wikimedia.cz wrote:
I guess that's just a name, nothing more. Wikipedia is by far the best known brand - hence the name of the user group - but our activities will AFAIK support educators using all Wikimedia projects.
Vojtěch Dostál
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2018-08-09 8:10 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com:
Daniel Mietchen, 09/08/2018 08:46:
I'm very interested in matters at the interface between Wikimedia and education but don't understand whether this user group - as the name and existing documentation would suggest - is limited specifically to Wikipedia(s) or what the role would be for other Wikimedia projects.
I agree, it's confusing and not inclusive. Wikimedia activities in education need to be flexible: in many cases Wikipedia is just not a viable option. Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikibooks, Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata etc. have proven to be essential educational tools in various cases.
Federico
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By the way you may also think about like-minded wikis, however outside Wikimedia, which are aimed for children and teenagers. I mean Wikikids in Dutch, Vikidia in French, Spanish, Italian, English, and Klexikon in German (the later being less oriented toward children and pupils participation).
I think that these "Wikipedias for children" are especially relevant for education projects when the Wikipedia version in your language is very developed, which not only means few available subjects to work on but also long and too high level articles for children and younger peoples, which in turn implies a lack of a well-suited encyclopedic resource for children. I guess it is also relevant if you think that education does not only aim at higher education students !
I noticed this tweet: "Would be very cool if @Wikipedia had official support for different age ranges. Such tremendous effort is expended to include different languages / cultures / topics, but nearly all of it remains inaccessible to the 25% of the world population under 14" https://twitter.com/anthonygarvan/status/981584340986540032
We may elaborate why the Wikimedia movement missed to support and develop a children-oriented encyclopedic wiki, and still elude this idea. I may have some ideas on the topic, yet it is still a mystery to me. However it does exist and is doing well!
Well, come and get involved in Vikidia in Spanish, English, Italian and so on ! ;-) https://www.vikidia.org/ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids
Le 09/08/2018 à 11:21, Shani Evenstein a écrit :
Yes, the brand is what guided the founding members of the group when choosing the name, especially thinking about global outreach; but we are certainly looking at all Wikimedia projects. Wikidata is very much a focus
- actually, I was the one to suggest and lead the Wikidata & Education
session at WikidataCon and have been including WD in my academic courses for a few years now, so I have a personal interest in what you're doing, Daniel. ☺ In general, initiatives around any of the other sister projects are very much of an interest. There are success stories / best practices that I can think of about working with WikiQuote, WikiSource, WikiBooks and of course WikiCommons. We'd love to document more examples we might not be aware of.
Shani.
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:10 Vojtěch Dostál, vojtech.dostal@wikimedia.cz wrote:
I guess that's just a name, nothing more. Wikipedia is by far the best known brand - hence the name of the user group - but our activities will AFAIK support educators using all Wikimedia projects.
Vojtěch Dostál
předseda rady / chair of the board
Wikimedia Česká republika
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2018-08-09 8:10 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com:
Daniel Mietchen, 09/08/2018 08:46:
I'm very interested in matters at the interface between Wikimedia and education but don't understand whether this user group - as the name and existing documentation would suggest - is limited specifically to Wikipedia(s) or what the role would be for other Wikimedia projects.
I agree, it's confusing and not inclusive. Wikimedia activities in education need to be flexible: in many cases Wikipedia is just not a viable option. Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikibooks, Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata etc. have proven to be essential educational tools in various cases.
Federico
education-collab mailing list education-collab@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education-collab
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Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Hello,
I allow myself to add (I am not quite neutral, as related to Klexikon) that the children encyclopedias have an important advantage: you can reach institutions and audiecnes you usually not reach with Wikipedia.
In general, I can imagine that this user group (as many „evangelists“) often starts with Wikipedia as a topci, because WP simply is the most known wiki, and occasionally regards other wikis as it fits. For example, I know that some initiatives focus on Wiktionary because Wiktionary entries are shorter and „easier“ to create than Wikipedia articles.
Kind regards, Ziko
Mathias Damour mathias.damour@gmx.fr schrieb am Do. 9. Aug. 2018 um 23:02:
By the way you may also think about like-minded wikis, however outside Wikimedia, which are aimed for children and teenagers. I mean Wikikids in Dutch, Vikidia in French, Spanish, Italian, English, and Klexikon in German (the later being less oriented toward children and pupils participation).
I think that these "Wikipedias for children" are especially relevant for education projects when the Wikipedia version in your language is very developed, which not only means few available subjects to work on but also long and too high level articles for children and younger peoples, which in turn implies a lack of a well-suited encyclopedic resource for children. I guess it is also relevant if you think that education does not only aim at higher education students !
I noticed this tweet: "Would be very cool if @Wikipedia had official support for different age ranges. Such tremendous effort is expended to include different languages / cultures / topics, but nearly all of it remains inaccessible to the 25% of the world population under 14" https://twitter.com/anthonygarvan/status/981584340986540032
We may elaborate why the Wikimedia movement missed to support and develop a children-oriented encyclopedic wiki, and still elude this idea. I may have some ideas on the topic, yet it is still a mystery to me. However it does exist and is doing well!
Well, come and get involved in Vikidia in Spanish, English, Italian and so on ! ;-) https://www.vikidia.org/ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids
Le 09/08/2018 à 11:21, Shani Evenstein a écrit :
Yes, the brand is what guided the founding members of the group when choosing the name, especially thinking about global outreach; but we are certainly looking at all Wikimedia projects. Wikidata is very much a
focus
- actually, I was the one to suggest and lead the Wikidata & Education
session at WikidataCon and have been including WD in my academic courses for a few years now, so I have a personal interest in what you're doing, Daniel. ☺ In general, initiatives around any of the other sister projects are very much of an interest. There are success stories / best practices that I can think of about working with WikiQuote, WikiSource, WikiBooks
and
of course WikiCommons. We'd love to document more examples we might not
be
aware of.
Shani.
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:10 Vojtěch Dostál, vojtech.dostal@wikimedia.cz wrote:
I guess that's just a name, nothing more. Wikipedia is by far the best known brand - hence the name of the user group - but our activities will AFAIK support educators using all Wikimedia projects.
Vojtěch Dostál
předseda rady / chair of the board
Wikimedia Česká republika
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http://wikimedia.us7.list-manage1.com/subscribe?u=24c9403aa67fc995b69c7e704&...
2018-08-09 8:10 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com:
Daniel Mietchen, 09/08/2018 08:46:
I'm very interested in matters at the interface between Wikimedia and education but don't understand whether this user group - as the name and existing documentation would suggest - is limited specifically to Wikipedia(s) or what the role would be for other Wikimedia projects.
I agree, it's confusing and not inclusive. Wikimedia activities in education need to be flexible: in many cases Wikipedia is just not a
viable
option. Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikibooks, Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata
etc.
have proven to be essential educational tools in various cases.
Federico
education-collab mailing list education-collab@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education-collab
education-collab mailing list education-collab@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education-collab
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- Mathias Damour https://fr.vikidia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Astirmays
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Thanks for the clarification. I signed up and am looking forward to fruitful interactions including but not limited to Wikipedia(s). d.
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:21 AM Shani Evenstein shani.even@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, the brand is what guided the founding members of the group when choosing the name, especially thinking about global outreach; but we are certainly looking at all Wikimedia projects. Wikidata is very much a focus
- actually, I was the one to suggest and lead the Wikidata & Education
session at WikidataCon and have been including WD in my academic courses for a few years now, so I have a personal interest in what you're doing, Daniel. ☺ In general, initiatives around any of the other sister projects are very much of an interest. There are success stories / best practices that I can think of about working with WikiQuote, WikiSource, WikiBooks and of course WikiCommons. We'd love to document more examples we might not be aware of.
Shani.
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:10 Vojtěch Dostál, vojtech.dostal@wikimedia.cz wrote:
I guess that's just a name, nothing more. Wikipedia is by far the best known brand - hence the name of the user group - but our activities will AFAIK support educators using all Wikimedia projects.
Vojtěch Dostál
předseda rady / chair of the board
Wikimedia Česká republika
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2018-08-09 8:10 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com:
Daniel Mietchen, 09/08/2018 08:46:
I'm very interested in matters at the interface between Wikimedia and education but don't understand whether this user group - as the name and existing documentation would suggest - is limited specifically to Wikipedia(s) or what the role would be for other Wikimedia projects.
I agree, it's confusing and not inclusive. Wikimedia activities in education need to be flexible: in many cases Wikipedia is just not a viable option. Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikibooks, Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata etc. have proven to be essential educational tools in various cases.
Federico
education-collab mailing list education-collab@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education-collab
education-collab mailing list education-collab@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education-collab