Hey folks! I just put up an Individual Engagement Grant proposal for an idea I've been kicking around for a while now: getting a course about Wikipedia onto one of the big 'massive open online course' systems that have been so successful lately (Coursera, Udacity, edX). Coursera classes typically have tens of thousands of students, so there's huge potential for recruiting new Wikipedians and bringing together a lot of the knowledge we've developed about teaching *about* Wikipedia.
If you're interested, have a look at the proposal: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cour...
And if you have an interest in *leading* a MOOC, let's talk.
Cheers, Sage Ross (in a volunteer capacity)
It seems to me a very good idea. Let's see if the idea works. Anyway, congratulations for your work, Sage!
Pau.
2013/2/12 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com
Hey folks! I just put up an Individual Engagement Grant proposal for an idea I've been kicking around for a while now: getting a course about Wikipedia onto one of the big 'massive open online course' systems that have been so successful lately (Coursera, Udacity, edX). Coursera classes typically have tens of thousands of students, so there's huge potential for recruiting new Wikipedians and bringing together a lot of the knowledge we've developed about teaching *about* Wikipedia.
If you're interested, have a look at the proposal:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cour...
And if you have an interest in *leading* a MOOC, let's talk.
Cheers, Sage Ross (in a volunteer capacity)
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Hi Sage,
This sounds interesting. I tried to open the link but I get an error message. Is it an issue here perhaps? Does that URL work for you?
Kind regards, Sophie.
2013/2/12 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com
Hey folks! I just put up an Individual Engagement Grant proposal for an idea I've been kicking around for a while now: getting a course about Wikipedia onto one of the big 'massive open online course' systems that have been so successful lately (Coursera, Udacity, edX). Coursera classes typically have tens of thousands of students, so there's huge potential for recruiting new Wikipedians and bringing together a lot of the knowledge we've developed about teaching *about* Wikipedia.
If you're interested, have a look at the proposal:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cour...
And if you have an interest in *leading* a MOOC, let's talk.
Cheers, Sage Ross (in a volunteer capacity)
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Sophie Österberg < sophie.osterberg@wikimedia.se> wrote:
Hi Sage,
This sounds interesting. I tried to open the link but I get an error message. Is it an issue here perhaps? Does that URL work for you?
It works for me. Perhaps there are some DNS issues going on right now? Maybe the HTTPS version will work for you?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cou...http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Courses
Cheers, Sage
Great, that works! Thank you!
/ Sophie.
*Med vänliga hälsningar/ Kind regards, Sophie Österberg 0733-832670 sophie.osterberg@wikimedia.se*
*Every single contribution to Wikipedia is a gift of free knowledge to humanity. *
2013/2/12 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Sophie Österberg < sophie.osterberg@wikimedia.se> wrote:
Hi Sage,
This sounds interesting. I tried to open the link but I get an error message. Is it an issue here perhaps? Does that URL work for you?
It works for me. Perhaps there are some DNS issues going on right now? Maybe the HTTPS version will work for you?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cou...http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Courses
Cheers, Sage
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
This is such a fantastic idea. I would urge that such a course also cover the significance of the "open" aspect of Wikipedia -- as relates to various levels: collaboration, governance, re-useability of content, etc. And kind of drive home the meta point that the "open" in MOOC is an important component that means more than just open registration, re http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/34852.
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Sophie Österberg < sophie.osterberg@wikimedia.se> wrote:
Great, that works! Thank you!
/ Sophie.
*Med vänliga hälsningar/ Kind regards, Sophie Österberg 0733-832670 sophie.osterberg@wikimedia.se*
*Every single contribution to Wikipedia is a gift of free knowledge to humanity. *
2013/2/12 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Sophie Österberg < sophie.osterberg@wikimedia.se> wrote:
Hi Sage,
This sounds interesting. I tried to open the link but I get an error message. Is it an issue here perhaps? Does that URL work for you?
It works for me. Perhaps there are some DNS issues going on right now? Maybe the HTTPS version will work for you?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cou...http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Courses
Cheers, Sage
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
--
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
I'm talking to someone from Khan Academy https://www.khanacademy.org/ in a few weeks (please keep this to yourselves for now), I know they're planning to open it to other contributors, Wikipedia lessons on it would be really great.
Khan Academy is an asynchronous MOOC, people don't have a cohort like Coursera or P2PU which may be a bit lonely but may suit Wikipedia editing in one way in that people all have different interests and do different things on Wikipedia. Khan Academy has really excellent structured content which is great for people to a specific goal in mind however it has limited interactivity. I know Charles Matthews a WMUK member is building a VLE using Moodle also with more interactivity. http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Learning_Environment
John
On 12 February 2013 17:23, Jane Park janepark@creativecommons.org wrote:
This is such a fantastic idea. I would urge that such a course also cover the significance of the "open" aspect of Wikipedia -- as relates to various levels: collaboration, governance, re-useability of content, etc. And kind of drive home the meta point that the "open" in MOOC is an important component that means more than just open registration, re http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/34852.
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Sophie Österberg < sophie.osterberg@wikimedia.se> wrote:
Great, that works! Thank you!
/ Sophie.
*Med vänliga hälsningar/ Kind regards, Sophie Österberg 0733-832670 sophie.osterberg@wikimedia.se*
*Every single contribution to Wikipedia is a gift of free knowledge to humanity. *
2013/2/12 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Sophie Österberg < sophie.osterberg@wikimedia.se> wrote:
Hi Sage,
This sounds interesting. I tried to open the link but I get an error message. Is it an issue here perhaps? Does that URL work for you?
It works for me. Perhaps there are some DNS issues going on right now? Maybe the HTTPS version will work for you?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cou...http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Courses
Cheers, Sage
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
--
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- Jane Park Project Manager http://creativecommons.org/staff#janepark Creative Commons
School of Open, a collaboration with P2PU: http://schoolofopen.org
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Good, Sage! Spreading your proposal to the Portuguese speakers community!
Tom
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hey folks! I just put up an Individual Engagement Grant proposal for an idea I've been kicking around for a while now: getting a course about Wikipedia onto one of the big 'massive open online course' systems that have been so successful lately (Coursera, Udacity, edX). Coursera classes typically have tens of thousands of students, so there's huge potential for recruiting new Wikipedians and bringing together a lot of the knowledge we've developed about teaching *about* Wikipedia.
If you're interested, have a look at the proposal: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cour...
And if you have an interest in *leading* a MOOC, let's talk.
Cheers, Sage Ross (in a volunteer capacity)
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
My current research at UC Berkeley involves MOOCs, and I think one on Wikipedia could be really effective. As mentioned below, this is one area where the synchronous cohort model seems particularly poorly-suited, since editing Wikipedia - and the "on-the-job" learning that happens there - is itself an asynchronous and perpetual process, so I think it makes sense to structure the course this way as well. Although I don't think I'll have time to file for the IEG and run the entire course myself, I would love to participate in TA-style tasks like helping to set up course content and exercises, create videos, lead discussions, and/or moderate the forums.
On a related note, another very different MOOC that would also be of interest to many people is a mini-course on the Wikipedia dataset and analysis of it, e.g. the dumps and their formats, past research on this set, etc.
-Derrick
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:12 AM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga < ezalvarenga@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Good, Sage! Spreading your proposal to the Portuguese speakers community!
Tom
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hey folks! I just put up an Individual Engagement Grant proposal for an idea I've been kicking around for a while now: getting a course about Wikipedia onto one of the big 'massive open online course' systems that have been so successful lately (Coursera, Udacity, edX). Coursera classes typically have tens of thousands of students, so there's huge potential for recruiting new Wikipedians and bringing together a lot of the knowledge we've developed about teaching *about* Wikipedia.
If you're interested, have a look at the proposal:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cour...
And if you have an interest in *leading* a MOOC, let's talk.
Cheers, Sage Ross (in a volunteer capacity)
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing."
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
In my personal opinion, all MOOCs suffer from, not the coursework per se, but the lack of an open and accomodating governance model. Governance is usually the *last* part of any network that is implemented, so early adopters are mostly ostracized by game players whose only goal is to enforce their view through a keener knowledge of the methods.
-----Original Message----- From: Derrick Coetzee dc@moonflare.com To: Wikimedia Education education@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:03 am Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Massive open online course(s) about Wikipedia
My current research at UC Berkeley involves MOOCs, and I think one on Wikipedia could be really effective. As mentioned below, this is one area where the synchronous cohort model seems particularly poorly-suited, since editing Wikipedia - and the "on-the-job" learning that happens there - is itself an asynchronous and perpetual process, so I think it makes sense to structure the course this way as well. Although I don't think I'll have time to file for the IEG and run the entire course myself, I would love to participate in TA-style tasks like helping to set up course content and exercises, create videos, lead discussions, and/or moderate the forums.
On a related note, another very different MOOC that would also be of interest to many people is a mini-course on the Wikipedia dataset and analysis of it, e.g. the dumps and their formats, past research on this set, etc.
-Derrick
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:12 AM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga ezalvarenga@wikimedia.org wrote:
Good, Sage! Spreading your proposal to the Portuguese speakers community!
Tom
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hey folks! I just put up an Individual Engagement Grant proposal for an idea I've been kicking around for a while now: getting a course about Wikipedia onto one of the big 'massive open online course' systems that have been so successful lately (Coursera, Udacity, edX). Coursera classes typically have tens of thousands of students, so there's huge potential for recruiting new Wikipedians and bringing together a lot of the knowledge we've developed about teaching *about* Wikipedia.
If you're interested, have a look at the proposal: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cour...
And if you have an interest in *leading* a MOOC, let's talk.
Cheers, Sage Ross (in a volunteer capacity)
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing."
_______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
_______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
In my personal opinion, all MOOCs suffer from, not the coursework per se, but the lack of an open and accomodating governance model. Governance is usually the *last* part of any network that is implemented, so early adopters are mostly ostracized by game players whose only goal is to enforce their view through a keener knowledge of the methods.
How would the course be structured if it was the way you liked?
Fred
It isn't the course that's the issue. It's the Meta portion, the governance of the how, why, who.
So just to make up an example, you create a course on How to Hunt Quail. Now some group of individuals (or one with puppets), creates a new *policy* that only people with approved credentials can offer courses, and then they create a "Credential Group" who approves credentials, and work it so you can't get approved.
That's just a made-up example of how "governance" can attack "content".
Every wiki type org with which I've been involved has these same meta or governance issues.
Those with a lot of time on their hands can manipulate the system into supporting their own view of how things should *run*. It's not the content that's the issue.
-----Original Message----- From: Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net To: Wikimedia Education education@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:13 am Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Massive open online course(s) about Wikipedia
In my personal opinion, all MOOCs suffer from, not the coursework per se, but the lack of an open and accomodating governance model. Governance is usually the *last* part of any network that is implemented, so early adopters are mostly ostracized by game players whose only goal is to enforce their view through a keener knowledge of the methods.
How would the course be structured if it was the way you liked?
Fred
_______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Here are some ideas for a new governance model
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Governance_reform
There are others of course.
I abhor the current system of "moderation" which only leads to gaming the system and me-tooing by "e friends" to beat up an adversary. Which is why many otherwise useful contributors leave.
I like more the idea of a Congress, of perhaps a thousand editors, who are auto-nominated and elected and vote, and without a quorum, it fails. Something like that has to be vast enough (400 members, 1000 members, 20000 members), that a cadre cannot manipulate the result. And it's power must be absolute. No Jimmy Wales at the top deciding to invalidate outcomes, by a single vote.
It happens, but the paradox is that it violates core policies.
Fred
It isn't the course that's the issue. It's the Meta portion, the governance of the how, why, who.
So just to make up an example, you create a course on How to Hunt Quail. Now some group of individuals (or one with puppets), creates a new *policy* that only people with approved credentials can offer courses, and then they create a "Credential Group" who approves credentials, and work it so you can't get approved.
That's just a made-up example of how "governance" can attack "content".
Every wiki type org with which I've been involved has these same meta or governance issues.
Those with a lot of time on their hands can manipulate the system into supporting their own view of how things should *run*. It's not the content that's the issue.
-----Original Message----- From: Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net To: Wikimedia Education education@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:13 am Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Massive open online course(s) about Wikipedia
In my personal opinion, all MOOCs suffer from, not the coursework per se, but the lack of an open and accomodating governance model. Governance is usually the *last* part of any network that is implemented, so early adopters are mostly ostracized by game players whose only goal is to enforce their view through a keener knowledge of the methods.
How would the course be structured if it was the way you liked?
Fred
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Seems like a worthwhile idea. Who, if anyone, has taught courses about Wikipedia in the past?
I am, in fact, developing one myself, I am currently working on a draft for Prezi lectures about Wikipedia (they are licensed under CC-BY-SA, and I'd be happy to share them with you if you'd be interested).
I know that Dr. Obar taught a course on Wikipedia administrator selection. Copied him in case he's not on the list (though I can't imagine why not).
Rob
-----Original Message----- From: Piotr Konieczny Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:47 PM To: Wikimedia Education Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Massive open online course(s) aboutWikipedia
Seems like a worthwhile idea. Who, if anyone, has taught courses about Wikipedia in the past?
I am, in fact, developing one myself, I am currently working on a draft for Prezi lectures about Wikipedia (they are licensed under CC-BY-SA, and I'd be happy to share them with you if you'd be interested).
I will probably talk about Wikipedia for three lectures during a course "Popularization of science" at Faculty of Science, Charles University in Prague. Not sure what I will talk about exactly, but definitely something about the basic principles and philosophy of Wikipedia, community, content creation, maybe dispute resolution. In fact I would love if you added some more topics to focus on. It is not a MOOC, though, if that is what you wanted to ask about: just a regular old-school course at university :-) thanks Vojtech ************************ Vojtěch Dostál Mail vojtech.dostal@centrum.cz vojtech.dostal@centrum.cz ______________________________________________________________
Od: "Robert Schnautz" schnautzr@hotmail.com Komu: piokon@post.pl, Wikimedia Education education@lists.wikimedia.org Datum: 14.02.2013 16:31 Předmět: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Massive open online course(s)aboutWikipedia
CC: "Dr. Jonathan Obar"
I know that Dr. Obar taught a course on Wikipedia administrator selection. Copied him in case he's not on the list (though I can't imagine why not).
Rob
-----Original Message----- From: Piotr Konieczny Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:47 PM To: Wikimedia Education Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Massive open online course(s) aboutWikipedia
Seems like a worthwhile idea. Who, if anyone, has taught courses about Wikipedia in the past?
I am, in fact, developing one myself, I am currently working on a draft for Prezi lectures about Wikipedia (they are licensed under CC-BY-SA, and I'd be happy to share them with you if you'd be interested).
I will probably talk about Wikipedia for three lectures during a course "Popularization of science" at Faculty of Science, Charles University in Prague. Not sure what I will talk about exactly, but definitely something about the basic principles and philosophy of Wikipedia, community, content creation, maybe dispute resolution. In fact I would love if you added some more topics to focus on. Â It is not a MOOC, though, if that is what you wanted to ask about: just a regular old-school course at university :-) Â thanks Vojtech
Are you photogenic enough to get by on TV? Actually, we could try producing some YouTube videos; sure that is not original with this post.
Fred
Don't know about the photogenicity, but, more importantly, the course will be taught in Czech; the majority of YouTubers might not profit from it very much :-). Still I like the idea ;-) ************************ Vojtěch Dostál Mail vojtech.dostal@centrum.cz vojtech.dostal@centrum.cz ______________________________________________________________
Od: "Fred Bauder" fredbaud@fairpoint.net Komu: Wikimedia Education education@lists.wikimedia.org Datum: 14.02.2013 17:34 Předmět: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Massive open online course(s)aboutWikipedia
I will probably talk about Wikipedia for three lectures during a course "Popularization of science" at Faculty of Science, Charles University in Prague. Not sure what I will talk about exactly, but definitely something about the basic principles and philosophy of Wikipedia, community, content creation, maybe dispute resolution. In fact I would love if you added some more topics to focus on. Â It is not a MOOC, though, if that is what you wanted to ask about: just a regular old-school course at university :-) Â thanks Vojtech
Are you photogenic enough to get by on TV? Actually, we could try producing some YouTube videos; sure that is not original with this post.
Fred
_______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Hi Piotr,
I gave several lectures about Wikipedia for students (see http://www. youtube.com/watch?v=vdD6b5GJBO8, however only in Czech) and also for seniors. Also, I had to shortly introduce Wikipedia and how to edit for students, which are taking part of course, which I am helping to lead (about protected areas, I sent couple weeks ago URL to story on WM blog). If you want, feel free to contact me with questions, if you will have some :)
Regards,
Petr aka Chmee2
---------- Původní zpráva ---------- Od: Piotr Konieczny pik1@pitt.edu Datum: 14. 2. 2013 Předmět: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Massive open online course(s) about Wikipedia
"Seems like a worthwhile idea. Who, if anyone, has taught courses about Wikipedia in the past?
I am, in fact, developing one myself, I am currently working on a draft for Prezi lectures about Wikipedia (they are licensed under CC-BY-SA, and I'd be happy to share them with you if you'd be interested).
I have also been working in a draft for course with user Mushii in Spanish I wonder if this course will be open for us to join or to engage on the design of the project. I hope so :) On Feb 13, 2013 8:47 PM, "Piotr Konieczny" pik1@pitt.edu wrote:
Seems like a worthwhile idea. Who, if anyone, has taught courses about Wikipedia in the past?
I am, in fact, developing one myself, I am currently working on a draft for Prezi lectures about Wikipedia (they are licensed under CC-BY-SA, and I'd be happy to share them with you if you'd be interested).
-- Piotr Konieczny, PhD http://independent.academia.**edu/PiotrKonieczny/Abouthttp://independent.academia.edu/PiotrKonieczny/About http://scholar.google.com/**citations?user=gdV8_AEAAAAJhttp://scholar.google.com/citations?user=gdV8_AEAAAAJ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**User:Piotrushttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piotrus
On 2/12/2013 4:18 AM, Sage Ross wrote:
Hey folks! I just put up an Individual Engagement Grant proposal for an idea I've been kicking around for a while now: getting a course about Wikipedia onto one of the big 'massive open online course' systems that have been so successful lately (Coursera, Udacity, edX). Coursera classes typically have tens of thousands of students, so there's huge potential for recruiting new Wikipedians and bringing together a lot of the knowledge we've developed about teaching *about* Wikipedia.
If you're interested, have a look at the proposal: http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_** Massive_Open_Online_Courseshttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Courses
And if you have an interest in *leading* a MOOC, let's talk.
Cheers, Sage Ross (in a volunteer capacity)
______________________________**_________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/educationhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
______________________________**_________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/educationhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Piotr Konieczny pik1@pitt.edu wrote:
I am, in fact, developing one myself, I am currently working on a draft for Prezi lectures about Wikipedia (they are licensed under CC-BY-SA, and I'd be happy to share them with you if you'd be interested).
Yes please! :)
-Sage
All right, for those interested, you can find my Prezis at http://prezi.com/user/piotrus/
Please note that they are still not finished! They need prettifying, inner slides; and such don't expect the existing slides to show you all content. I am certainly open to any comments - from style to missing content. Hope you find them useful.
I expect the v.1 will be ready around summer, after I finish testing the beta on my spring students.
Piotr
On 2/15/2013 4:45 AM, Sage Ross wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Piotr Konieczny pik1@pitt.edu wrote:
I am, in fact, developing one myself, I am currently working on a draft for Prezi lectures about Wikipedia (they are licensed under CC-BY-SA, and I'd be happy to share them with you if you'd be interested).
Yes please! :)
-Sage
Hi, professor Piotr.
I am really glad to see you here. I remember a few months ago when I suggest the use of Wikipedia at Coursera or some MOOC and discussed with Sage, I mentioned your name (because of your article on the use of Wikipedia ; ) as a good example that could make this trial!
I hope everything will go well and we will improve and learn with possible mistakes during these first experiments.
Tom
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Piotr Konieczny piokon@post.pl wrote:
All right, for those interested, you can find my Prezis at http://prezi.com/user/piotrus/
Please note that they are still not finished! They need prettifying, inner slides; and such don't expect the existing slides to show you all content. I am certainly open to any comments - from style to missing content. Hope you find them useful.
I expect the v.1 will be ready around summer, after I finish testing the beta on my spring students.
Awesome idea, Sage; and about time. I'm all for it! SJ
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hey folks! I just put up an Individual Engagement Grant proposal for an idea I've been kicking around for a while now: getting a course about Wikipedia onto one of the big 'massive open online course' systems that have been so successful lately (Coursera, Udacity, edX). Coursera classes typically have tens of thousands of students, so there's huge potential for recruiting new Wikipedians and bringing together a lot of the knowledge we've developed about teaching *about* Wikipedia.
If you're interested, have a look at the proposal: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cour...
And if you have an interest in *leading* a MOOC, let's talk.
Cheers, Sage Ross (in a volunteer capacity)
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266
I am currently offering a course on Wikipedia for undergraduate History students. The course uses both Wikipedia and Moodle, and it's focused on discussions about documents, authorship, etc, and its implications on writing History and/for Wikipedia.
Since the Moodle platform is closed, I created a backup so that you can see what we're doing (currently on week 9 now). It's in Portuguese, but I do hope you can get some of the gist with Google translator. Sorry for the lack of CSS.
http://domusaurea.org/curso_moodle_2012.html
The course starts with discussions and case studies on each of the five pillars, and the first thing the students edit is their userpage (they get very excited with the userboxes). Then they learn how to write on talk pages and create sandboxes, etc. For this course, the students choose articles based on their own research topics (for their final course monograph).
Please feel free to use and adapt this model if you think it can help. Comments are always very welcome.
Juliana.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com wrote:
Awesome idea, Sage; and about time. I'm all for it! SJ
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hey folks! I just put up an Individual Engagement Grant proposal for an idea I've been kicking around for a while now: getting a course about Wikipedia onto one of the big 'massive open online course' systems that have been so successful lately (Coursera, Udacity, edX). Coursera classes typically have tens of thousands of students, so there's huge potential for recruiting new Wikipedians and bringing together a lot of the knowledge we've developed about teaching *about* Wikipedia.
If you're interested, have a look at the proposal:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cour...
And if you have an interest in *leading* a MOOC, let's talk.
Cheers, Sage Ross (in a volunteer capacity)
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Userboxes: great idea!! I'll give that a try straight away: two of my pupils just created their own accounts, they didn't want to make a user page (weren't confident what to write). Userboxes are a fun start!
Mina
On Feb 15, 2013, at 2:35 AM, Juliana Bastos Marques wrote:
I am currently offering a course on Wikipedia for undergraduate History students. The course uses both Wikipedia and Moodle, and it's focused on discussions about documents, authorship, etc, and its implications on writing History and/for Wikipedia.
Since the Moodle platform is closed, I created a backup so that you can see what we're doing (currently on week 9 now). It's in Portuguese, but I do hope you can get some of the gist with Google translator. Sorry for the lack of CSS.
http://domusaurea.org/curso_moodle_2012.html
The course starts with discussions and case studies on each of the five pillars, and the first thing the students edit is their userpage (they get very excited with the userboxes). Then they learn how to write on talk pages and create sandboxes, etc. For this course, the students choose articles based on their own research topics (for their final course monograph).
Please feel free to use and adapt this model if you think it can help. Comments are always very welcome.
Juliana.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com wrote: Awesome idea, Sage; and about time. I'm all for it! SJ
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hey folks! I just put up an Individual Engagement Grant proposal for an idea I've been kicking around for a while now: getting a course about Wikipedia onto one of the big 'massive open online course' systems that have been so successful lately (Coursera, Udacity,
edX).
Coursera classes typically have tens of thousands of students, so there's huge potential for recruiting new Wikipedians and bringing together a lot of the knowledge we've developed about teaching
*about*
Wikipedia.
If you're interested, have a look at the proposal: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/
Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Courses
And if you have an interest in *leading* a MOOC, let's talk.
Cheers, Sage Ross (in a volunteer capacity)
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- www.domusaurea.org _______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
The proposal is a little more fully baked now, and has progressed considerably since my first message. Most importantly, it looks like we've found a professor to head it, and we're shooting to develop the content beginning in June and start the course around September, on Coursera.
The format we're looking at is one where different modules are delivered by various guest lecturers with particular expertise in some aspect of Wikipedia. So if there's something Wikipedia-related that you're keen on sharing with a few thousand students, let me know (or sign up on the grant page).
The community discussion phase of the grants process goes on until February 22, so if you'd like to see it go forward, please leave a message explaining why. (Likewise, if you think it's a terrible idea, now's the time to have your voice heard.)
-Sage
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hey folks! I just put up an Individual Engagement Grant proposal for an idea I've been kicking around for a while now: getting a course about Wikipedia onto one of the big 'massive open online course' systems that have been so successful lately (Coursera, Udacity, edX). Coursera classes typically have tens of thousands of students, so there's huge potential for recruiting new Wikipedians and bringing together a lot of the knowledge we've developed about teaching *about* Wikipedia.
If you're interested, have a look at the proposal: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cour...
And if you have an interest in *leading* a MOOC, let's talk.
Cheers, Sage Ross (in a volunteer capacity)
Good news. I am curious if you see a synergy between the course and my Prezi lectures I developed?
-- Piotr
On 2/19/2013 11:03 PM, Sage Ross wrote:
The proposal is a little more fully baked now, and has progressed considerably since my first message. Most importantly, it looks like we've found a professor to head it, and we're shooting to develop the content beginning in June and start the course around September, on Coursera.
The format we're looking at is one where different modules are delivered by various guest lecturers with particular expertise in some aspect of Wikipedia. So if there's something Wikipedia-related that you're keen on sharing with a few thousand students, let me know (or sign up on the grant page).
The community discussion phase of the grants process goes on until February 22, so if you'd like to see it go forward, please leave a message explaining why. (Likewise, if you think it's a terrible idea, now's the time to have your voice heard.)
-Sage
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hey folks! I just put up an Individual Engagement Grant proposal for an idea I've been kicking around for a while now: getting a course about Wikipedia onto one of the big 'massive open online course' systems that have been so successful lately (Coursera, Udacity, edX). Coursera classes typically have tens of thousands of students, so there's huge potential for recruiting new Wikipedians and bringing together a lot of the knowledge we've developed about teaching *about* Wikipedia.
If you're interested, have a look at the proposal: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cour...
And if you have an interest in *leading* a MOOC, let's talk.
Cheers, Sage Ross (in a volunteer capacity)
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
I am really glad to see all this and I am sure you will rock!
Tom
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Piotr Konieczny piokon@post.pl wrote:
Good news. I am curious if you see a synergy between the course and my Prezi lectures I developed?
-- Piotr
On 2/19/2013 11:03 PM, Sage Ross wrote:
The proposal is a little more fully baked now, and has progressed considerably since my first message. Most importantly, it looks like we've found a professor to head it, and we're shooting to develop the content beginning in June and start the course around September, on Coursera.
The format we're looking at is one where different modules are delivered by various guest lecturers with particular expertise in some aspect of Wikipedia. So if there's something Wikipedia-related that you're keen on sharing with a few thousand students, let me know (or sign up on the grant page).
The community discussion phase of the grants process goes on until February 22, so if you'd like to see it go forward, please leave a message explaining why. (Likewise, if you think it's a terrible idea, now's the time to have your voice heard.)
-Sage
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hey folks! I just put up an Individual Engagement Grant proposal for an idea I've been kicking around for a while now: getting a course about Wikipedia onto one of the big 'massive open online course' systems that have been so successful lately (Coursera, Udacity, edX). Coursera classes typically have tens of thousands of students, so there's huge potential for recruiting new Wikipedians and bringing together a lot of the knowledge we've developed about teaching *about* Wikipedia.
If you're interested, have a look at the proposal:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cour...
And if you have an interest in *leading* a MOOC, let's talk.
Cheers, Sage Ross (in a volunteer capacity)
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Piotr, those Prezi slides are great! The parts that zoom in on collaboration and interaction with other users are excellent; that might be a good starting point for the modules on those topics for the MOOC.
-Sage
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Piotr Konieczny piokon@post.pl wrote:
Good news. I am curious if you see a synergy between the course and my Prezi lectures I developed?
-- Piotr
On 2/19/2013 11:03 PM, Sage Ross wrote:
The proposal is a little more fully baked now, and has progressed considerably since my first message. Most importantly, it looks like we've found a professor to head it, and we're shooting to develop the content beginning in June and start the course around September, on Coursera.
The format we're looking at is one where different modules are delivered by various guest lecturers with particular expertise in some aspect of Wikipedia. So if there's something Wikipedia-related that you're keen on sharing with a few thousand students, let me know (or sign up on the grant page).
The community discussion phase of the grants process goes on until February 22, so if you'd like to see it go forward, please leave a message explaining why. (Likewise, if you think it's a terrible idea, now's the time to have your voice heard.)
-Sage
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hey folks! I just put up an Individual Engagement Grant proposal for an idea I've been kicking around for a while now: getting a course about Wikipedia onto one of the big 'massive open online course' systems that have been so successful lately (Coursera, Udacity, edX). Coursera classes typically have tens of thousands of students, so there's huge potential for recruiting new Wikipedians and bringing together a lot of the knowledge we've developed about teaching *about* Wikipedia.
If you're interested, have a look at the proposal:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_Massive_Open_Online_Cour...
And if you have an interest in *leading* a MOOC, let's talk.
Cheers, Sage Ross (in a volunteer capacity)
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
... we're shooting to develop the content beginning in June and start the course around September, on Coursera.
Sage, this might be a great opportunity to ask Coursera to open source their delivery system soon, and if they refuse you might want to consider a free content open source platform such as Moodle (which has abundant free hosting) or https://code.google.com/p/course-builder/ or http://www.sakaiproject.org/ (formerly Stanford CourseWork.)
Also, I'm not sure if you are familiar with http://www.proctoru.com/ which Coursera uses with high stakes assessment to enable offering course credit, but I've done a little looking into the patent situation around that and I haven't been able to find convincing prior art, so that may be one particular minefield to be aware of down the road if you want to eventually offer credit. However, I still think it is very likely that substantial prior art exists, so you might want to consider asking a larger number of people to look for it.
In fact, let me do that here: Hey everyone, please see if you can find some prior art which would prevent ProctorU from obtaining patent protection on using a webcam to authenticate a high stakes assessment.
I've done a little more looking on the MOOC-for-credit high stakes assessment authentication patent situation, and it seems to me that this news story -- http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=72302 -- combined with the fact that the company involved was able to obtain a European patent -- http://www.google.com/patents/EP1987505A2 -- referencing a U.S. application, but was apparently unable to obtain a U.S. patent for a very similar application -- http://www.google.com/patents/US20070117082 -- which according to http://portal.uspto.gov/pair/PublicPair is still pending.
That application "11/603,258" does not seem to be doing very well in the U.S. per the following transaction history, so there is probably prior art. It would be a good idea to try to look for it anyway, I'd say, but at this point I doubt it is very urgent.
12-05-2012 Date Forwarded to Examiner 12-03-2012 Response after Non-Final Action 12-03-2012 Request for Extension of Time - Granted 06-05-2012 Electronic Review 06-05-2012 Email Notification 06-05-2012 Mail Non-Final Rejection 05-31-2012 Non-Final Rejection 12-28-2011 Date Forwarded to Examiner 12-23-2011 Request for Continued Examination (RCE) 12-28-2011 Disposal for a RCE / CPA / R129 12-23-2011 Workflow - Request for RCE - Begin 06-29-2011 Electronic Review 06-29-2011 Email Notification 06-29-2011 Mail Final Rejection (PTOL - 326) 06-23-2011 Final Rejection 04-28-2011 Date Forwarded to Examiner 03-23-2011 Response after Non-Final Action 03-23-2011 Affidavit(s) (Rule 131 or 132) or Exhibit(s) Received 03-23-2011 Request for Extension of Time - Granted 10-12-2010 Electronic Review 10-12-2010 Email Notification 10-12-2010 Mail Non-Final Rejection 10-06-2010 Non-Final Rejection 09-20-2010 Oath or Declaration Filed (Including Supplemental) 09-21-2010 Date Forwarded to Examiner 09-20-2010 Request for Continued Examination (RCE) 09-21-2010 Disposal for a RCE / CPA / R129 09-20-2010 Request for Extension of Time - Granted 09-20-2010 Workflow - Request for RCE - Begin 05-17-2010 Email Notification 05-17-2010 Mail Advisory Action (PTOL - 303) 05-13-2010 Advisory Action (PTOL-303) 05-11-2010 Affidavit(s) (Rule 131 or 132) or Exhibit(s) Received 05-12-2010 Date Forwarded to Examiner 05-11-2010 Amendment after Final Rejection 03-23-2010 Electronic Review 03-23-2010 Email Notification 03-23-2010 Mail Final Rejection (PTOL - 326) 03-16-2010 Final Rejection 01-26-2010 Date Forwarded to Examiner 12-22-2009 Response after Non-Final Action 12-22-2009 Request for Extension of Time - Granted 06-22-2009 Electronic Review 06-22-2009 Email Notification 06-22-2009 Mail Non-Final Rejection 06-18-2009 Non-Final Rejection 11-21-2006 Information Disclosure Statement considered 10-09-2008 Case Docketed to Examiner in GAU 06-06-2008 Case Docketed to Examiner in GAU 03-29-2008 Case Docketed to Examiner in GAU 10-17-2007 Withdraw Flagged for 5/25 10-15-2007 Flagged for 5/25 05-24-2007 PG-Pub Issue Notification 03-14-2007 IFW TSS Processing by Tech Center Complete 11-21-2006 Reference capture on IDS 11-21-2006 Information Disclosure Statement (IDS) Filed 11-21-2006 Information Disclosure Statement (IDS) Filed 02-05-2007 Application Dispatched from OIPE 02-05-2007 Application Is Now Complete 01-24-2007 Payment of additional filing fee/Preexam 01-24-2007 A statement by one or more inventors satisfying the requirement under 35 USC 115, Oath of the Applic 01-24-2007 Applicant has submitted new drawings to correct Corrected Papers problems 12-14-2006 Notice Mailed--Application Incomplete--Filing Date Assigned 12-05-2006 Cleared by OIPE CSR 11-29-2006 IFW Scan & PACR Auto Security Review 11-21-2006 Initial Exam Team nn
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:01 PM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
... we're shooting to develop the content beginning in June and start the course around September, on Coursera.
Sage, this might be a great opportunity to ask Coursera to open source their delivery system soon, and if they refuse you might want to consider a free content open source platform such as Moodle (which has abundant free hosting) or https://code.google.com/p/course-builder/ or http://www.sakaiproject.org/ (formerly Stanford CourseWork.)
Also, I'm not sure if you are familiar with http://www.proctoru.com/ which Coursera uses with high stakes assessment to enable offering course credit, but I've done a little looking into the patent situation around that and I haven't been able to find convincing prior art, so that may be one particular minefield to be aware of down the road if you want to eventually offer credit. However, I still think it is very likely that substantial prior art exists, so you might want to consider asking a larger number of people to look for it.
In fact, let me do that here: Hey everyone, please see if you can find some prior art which would prevent ProctorU from obtaining patent protection on using a webcam to authenticate a high stakes assessment.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:01 PM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
... we're shooting to develop the content beginning in June and start the course around September, on Coursera.
Sage, this might be a great opportunity to ask Coursera to open source their delivery system soon, and if they refuse you might want to consider a free content open source platform such as Moodle (which has abundant free hosting) or https://code.google.com/p/course-builder/ or http://www.sakaiproject.org/ (formerly Stanford CourseWork.)
I'm very interested in porting the course to other, more open MOOC platforms if it goes well.
In terms of a Coursera-like experience, it looks like Class2Go (also out of Stanford) is a promising project. It's an open source project started by some of the Stanford professors who had previously done some of the courses that laid the groundwork for Coursera. (I took Jennifer Widom's databases course the term before Coursera launched, and it had pretty much the same format as Coursera now uses; Widom is now doing the same course with Class2Go.)
edX is also expected to become open source at some point soon. (I've not used their platform, but I expect it will also be strong.)
P2PU is still evolving, and porting the course to there would mean some format changes--typical P2PU classes are more go-at-your-own-pace-independently affairs--but I think it'd be worth doing.
Wikimedia UK is using Moodle for their "Virtual Learning Environment" project, which I'm eager to check out sometime soon.
-Sage
This looks exciting, I'll have to explore more! Given this conversation perhaps people on this list would be interested in having a look at the mooc Wikipedia page - which is ok at the moment but could certainly be improved if people have ideas.... Cheers Simon
-----Original Message----- From: education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:education-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Sage Ross Sent: 23 February 2013 21:53 To: Wikimedia Education Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Massive open online course(s) about Wikipedia
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:01 PM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
... we're shooting to develop the content beginning in June and start the course around September, on Coursera.
Sage, this might be a great opportunity to ask Coursera to open source their delivery system soon, and if they refuse you might want to consider a free content open source platform such as Moodle (which has abundant free hosting) or https://code.google.com/p/course-builder/ or http://www.sakaiproject.org/ (formerly Stanford CourseWork.)
I'm very interested in porting the course to other, more open MOOC platforms if it goes well.
In terms of a Coursera-like experience, it looks like Class2Go (also out of Stanford) is a promising project. It's an open source project started by some of the Stanford professors who had previously done some of the courses that laid the groundwork for Coursera. (I took Jennifer Widom's databases course the term before Coursera launched, and it had pretty much the same format as Coursera now uses; Widom is now doing the same course with Class2Go.)
edX is also expected to become open source at some point soon. (I've not used their platform, but I expect it will also be strong.)
P2PU is still evolving, and porting the course to there would mean some format changes--typical P2PU classes are more go-at-your-own-pace-independently affairs--but I think it'd be worth doing.
Wikimedia UK is using Moodle for their "Virtual Learning Environment" project, which I'm eager to check out sometime soon.
-Sage
_______________________________________________ Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Good grades for a conservative minded movement. :)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants_talk:IEG/Wikipedia_Massiv...
Congrats, Sage.
Tom
Yes, very exciting to see progress.
MOOCs are just taking off here in the UK and there's a lot of interest, a lot of both good and bad experiences being reported. Institutions are keen to get on the bandwagon. I think news of a Wikipedia MOOC would generate a lot of interest from the UK.
One very influential education consultant told me recently that Wikimedia would be the ideal, credible entity to *provide* MOOCs, being institution-neutral and noncommerical, but as the proposal discussion notes, we don't really have the infrastructure ourselves yet.
On 8 March 2013 00:53, Everton Zanella Alvarenga tom@wikimedia.org wrote:
Good grades for a conservative minded movement. :)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants_talk:IEG/Wikipedia_Massiv...
Congrats, Sage.
Tom
-- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing."
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
Hi, Martin.
May you share with us who is this education consultant?
Tom
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Martin Poulter infobomb@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, very exciting to see progress.
MOOCs are just taking off here in the UK and there's a lot of interest, a lot of both good and bad experiences being reported. Institutions are keen to get on the bandwagon. I think news of a Wikipedia MOOC would generate a lot of interest from the UK.
One very influential education consultant told me recently that Wikimedia would be the ideal, credible entity to *provide* MOOCs, being institution-neutral and noncommerical, but as the proposal discussion notes, we don't really have the infrastructure ourselves yet.
On 8 March 2013 00:53, Everton Zanella Alvarenga tom@wikimedia.org wrote:
Good grades for a conservative minded movement. :)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants_talk:IEG/Wikipedia_Massiv...
Congrats, Sage.
Tom
-- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing."
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- Dr Martin L Poulter Wikipedia contributor http://enwp.org/User:MartinPoulter Associate, Wikimedia UK http://uk.wikimedia.org/ Musician http://soundcloud.com/martin-poulter http://myspace.com/comapilot Person http://infobomb.org/
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
It was a private chat over dinner so I don't want to attach this person's name to a particular opinion, but there's no secret that we've been doing outreach with Jisc (jisc.ac.uk) which employs some very influential people in the education sector. The higher education system here in the UK is rather top-down compared to, say, the US, so my education outreach work has targeted management, national advisory bodies and people whose research area is open education, as well as university teaching staff.
On 11 March 2013 21:02, Everton Zanella Alvarenga tom@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi, Martin.
May you share with us who is this education consultant?
Tom
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Martin Poulter infobomb@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, very exciting to see progress.
MOOCs are just taking off here in the UK and there's a lot of interest, a lot of both good and bad experiences being reported. Institutions are
keen
to get on the bandwagon. I think news of a Wikipedia MOOC would generate
a
lot of interest from the UK.
One very influential education consultant told me recently that Wikimedia would be the ideal, credible entity to *provide* MOOCs, being institution-neutral and noncommerical, but as the proposal discussion
notes,
we don't really have the infrastructure ourselves yet.
On 8 March 2013 00:53, Everton Zanella Alvarenga tom@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Good grades for a conservative minded movement. :)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants_talk:IEG/Wikipedia_Massiv...
Congrats, Sage.
Tom
-- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing."
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- Dr Martin L Poulter Wikipedia contributor http://enwp.org/User:MartinPoulter Associate, Wikimedia UK http://uk.wikimedia.org/ Musician http://soundcloud.com/martin-poulter http://myspace.com/comapilot Person http://infobomb.org/
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
-- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing."
Education mailing list Education@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
It was not approved.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5352785&oldid=5305686
May we could look for funding on more innovative places?
Tom
-- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing."
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga tom@wikimedia.org wrote:
It was not approved.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5352785&oldid=5305686
May we could look for funding on more innovative places?
I'm looking into that. (Suggestions or contacts with potential funders would be most welcome.)
-Sage
Yes, a pity it wasn't funded. (And a pity there wasn't more substantial feedback.) But perhaps next time without Coursera? :)
Take care
Jon