Yes, Andrew, that is the type of argument I usually use when talking to
parents or the school authorities.
What I am saying is that we have to make sure that all teachers/educators
who work with Wikipedia have easy access to this type of argument.
And as I said, this may be less of a problem with the English wiki, as it
appears that some web filtering services block certain wiki articles in
English, but not in other languages. I am not too happy to find out that
the English Wikipedia is partially blocked by private cencorship companies,
I wonder what WMF has to say about that kind of filtering. When foreign
governments try to do it, there is a large outcry. But when it supposedly
is done for "our children's good", nobody protests...
Gabe
Gabe
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Mina Theofilatou <theoth(a)otenet.gr> wrote:
And an encyclopedia we should add. That's
probably the best argument
I've ever heard on this issue.
Mina
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Andrew Leung <andrewcleung(a)hotmail.com>
*To:* Wikimedia Education <education(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 19, 2014 7:31 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia Education] Integration Wikipedia into primary
and secondary schools in Serbia
One counter-argument that you can make is that a dictionary used in school
would have some dirty words that are not appropriate for school children,
yet you don't see those definitions being blacked out by permanent marker
or having the entire page ripped out because it contained those words.
Andrew
"Fill the world with children who care and things start looking up."
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 10:21:49 +0200
From: gabriel(a)thullen.com
To: education(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Integration Wikipedia into primary and
secondary schools in Serbia
Like I said before, great job for both Israel and Serbia !
There is one very important issue that we (as WM Chapters) need to
address, now that Wikipedia editing will be part of the official school
curriculum. How do we answer teachers or parents raising concerns about the
so-called "adult" material found on Wikipedia ? Some of it is downright
porn, and we (as Chapters) have to be able to answer these concerns.
[[:fr:Catégorie:Position sexuelle]] = [[:en:Category:Sex positions]] =
other interwikis
or
Commons: Category:Wiki-Sexuality Images
The Geneva education department has an Internet filter that blocks some of
the articles on the English wiki, for example
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingering_(sexual_act)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingering_%28sexual_act%29> is blocked, but
does not filter the French wiki
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doigtage.
Obviously, the web filter companies are US (aka English speaking), so they
may or may not filter other language Wikipedia pages. What we absolutely
should avoid is this type of web filtering, and certainly not such
filtering done by separate countries.
Please note that I have always been opposed to censorship in general and
opposed to censoring Wikimedia in particular. The issue has been raised a
few times over the past few years, and I have always been able to provide
adequate answers to the parents or school officials. But now that Wikipedia
editing is a part of the official curriculum, these questions need a more
"official" answer as well. Information should be freely available to all,
even so-called "adult" information. As a school teacher using the web in
class, I have to keep a watch on the web sites the students browse and
discuss with them how to deal with inappropriate web sites that slip
through the filters. I do the same when my students start surfing on sex-ed
related Wikipedia articles...
I can just imagine the uproar in Israel when one or the other of the more
conservative religious groups finds out the kind of articles young students
are subjected to in class... I say that for Israel, but the same uproar
will be possible in some of the Swiss Cantons when Wikipedia editing
becomes an official part of their curriculum (each Canton has its own
curriculum, some Cantons include religious education, some do not, and so
on). We need, at the very least, a set of arguments we can use to defend
Wikipedia. For the moment, nobody has said anything, probably because
adults are usually not very curious. Our kids, on the other hand, tend to
explore a lot more...
Anyway, that was some food for thought. I am looking forward to learning
about how you will cope with that kind of issue, I know that the same
problem might arise some day here in Switzerland.
Gabe
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Vojtěch Dostál <
vojtech.dostal(a)wikimedia.cz> wrote:
Below is my Wednesday e-mail which was denied from the conversation
because I sent it from an incorrect adress:
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Congratulations to Israel and Serbia!
Now comes the tough job for you, though! You have to prove to the public
& to the teachers that Wikipedia is actually worth having in the school
curriculum. The worst scenario is teachers and parents going crazy about
the latest government's invention. You should really make Wikipedia as
beneficial to the students as possible, and you also need to prepare the
community for an enormous workload!
Not an easy job, but worth working for!
Good luck both of you, and I will be looking forward to the first results.
Vojtěch Dostál
vice-chair
Wikimedia Czech Republic
2014-06-11 8:52 GMT+02:00 Oona Castro <oonacastro(a)gmail.com>om>:
excellent news! congratulations!
Did you guys see Israel is also to get Wikipedia included in the
curriculum of public schools? Sorry for crossposting in case it has been
shared here:
http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=18059
I'm really excited to hear and learn more about these initiatives, though
I'm really concerned about our limitations in the Brazilian education
system.
Oona
On 11 June 2014 03:42, Nurunnaby Chowdhury <nh(a)nhasive.com> wrote:
Wow..excellent news Mile!
Congratulations..
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Shani <shani.even(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Great news, Mile!
Looking forward to seeing you in London and hear some more, :-)
Shani.
On 11 Jun 2014 01:31, "Jens Best" <jens.best(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
That's really great news. Congratulations to all people involved in
preparing and realizing this important success.
best regards
Jens Best
--
Präsidium - Board of Trustees
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
web:
http://www.wikimedia.de
mail: jens.best <http://goog_17221883>@wikimedia.de <http://wikimedia.de>
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
2014-06-10 23:13 GMT+02:00 Mile Kiš <milens(a)vikimedija.org>rg>:
Hello everyone!
I am honored to inform you that several months of integrating Wikipedia
into primary and secondary schools in Serbia has finally paid off!
After the Ministry has prescribed that from September 2014 all students of
the second year of secondary school curriculum *must study wiki tools*,
Institute for the Improvement of knowledge and education has included a
course on Wikipedia in its catalog of programs of continuous professional
development of teachers, professors and other school personnel. We got
accreditation for two years. Not a lot applicants got accreditation.
This course will start in December.
first challenge we successfully crossed :) next will come.
I started writing blog post about this and hope it will be ready on 20
June.
If you have some questions I will be happy to answer you :)
Mile Kiš
Vikimedija Srbije -
rs.wikimedia.org -
00381 (0)60 7 454 772
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ljudskom znanju. To je ono na čemu mi radimo."
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