Le 23/04/2013 00:18, Laurent Jauquier a écrit :
Hi All,
Sorry for the late answer.
@Jan-Bart:
Hello, and thank you for your intervention. Yes, Wikimini and Wikikids.nl are very similar projects, both in their background andthe way they evolved. I remember that I translated your explanation page in French, but this was a while ago: http://wikikids.wiki.kennisnet.nl/Wikikids:Pr%C3%A9sentation_en_fran%C3%A7ai... :-)
The funny thing is that I would say that Wikikids.nl is more similar to Vikidia in its principles than to Wikimini ! One of its promoter wrote recently "The Dutch WikiKids has both purposes: learn how to edit on a wiki and profide suitable information for children. Both purposes are important, in my opinion." ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikikids#Talk:Wikikids.2FFor_children_or... )
*You* actually wrote about them that "adults may [just] help in the process" http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikikids%2FReview_of_current_exi...
@Samuel and @Mathias:
(...) Is there discussion between wikimini and vikidia editors about the differences between their goals and policies?Hello Samuel and Mathias. Yes, there have been a few discussions in the past. The page reported by Mathias was a discussion I started on their wiki in 2010. I think it was the last one. I previously (in 2009) started a dedicated forum to talk about potential collaborations (and even rapprochements) between the projects. The forum is not live anymore, but if I recall correctly, it only contained 4 or 5 messages. At this time, Mathias proposed to import the content and users of Wikimini into Vikidia and to redirect our domain (wikimini.org http://wikimini.org) to their own, while letting users chose between the two "interfaces". On our side, I have to admit that we did not have any concrete idea (better or not) to offer at this time. I don't recall any other discussions in between, but maybe I'm wrong.
Your proposal on this 2010 discussion, ( http://fr.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Wikimini_et_Vikidia ) to which I anserwed by the one you mention, was that Vikida would switch its reader target to 13 to 18 years old people, and cohabit in this manner with Wikimini which would be for 8-13 years old children.
One of my arguments against that was that I disagree with the assumption that this proposal held, which is that children schould write for children, and teenagers for teenagers. The fact that teenagers (and adults and children) write on Vikidia doesn't mean that the content should be labeled for teenager rather than for younger children that need this content (they notably ask for more articles and more content in each article on the guestbook when asked for "what they think about Vikidia" throught the sitenotice). In the same way, Wikipedia is roughly written by students/academics for high-school pupils, there is a kind of interval between the average editor and average reader.
I made some statistics to compare these 3 wikis (Wikikids.nl, Wikimini and Vikidia) and I will upload it soon. It appears among other things that the average size of articles of Wikimini is 47% of the one of Vikidia, wheras Wikikids.nl/Vikidia makes 59%.
However, I think that we should have sometimes some assessment of the level of the content and how it fits with the readers it announces. This could be either by some automatic analysis (that may compare to some publications for children dedicated to the same age range) or by real-life methodical tests with children. This has been on our todo list for a few months...
Bye !