Hi Bart,
The visual editor is in development, and in no way done, which is why it has not been deployed yet. According to this week's Signposthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-01-09/Technological_roadmap, it is slated for release in April. Rest assured, the developers working on it are well aware of all that is currently missing and need work; tables and templates are the most difficult things to put in place, and indeed the main reasons why it is so difficult to make a visual editor. But they are working on just that, and I'm looking forward to seeing the result. :-)
2012/1/9 Bart bart.humphries@gmail.com
I posted at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_editor#Can_this_handle_templates_a... if the visual editor can handle tables and templates, and giving examples of different types of tables. As I said there, either a template or a table (sometimes both) are seen on every English Wikipedia article that isn't a stub or something like that (all 3+ million of those article pages) and even on most stubs, since pages have infobox templates, stub-marking templates, etc. If this visual editor cannot handle either templates or tables, it's going to be fairly useless for anything except the lightest of editing. If it can handle those, then this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Banaticus
On 9 January 2012 20:02, Gorilla Warfare < gorillawarfarewikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe this is what Asaf means: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor. The demo is here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox.
Pretty cool, if you ask me!
- GW
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Bart banaticus@gmail.com wrote:
Which visual editor? I thought there was no true visual wikimedia editor, since it would have to basically be its own server, what with templates, etc.
Banaticus
On 20 December 2011 18:12, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi, Jan.
Thanks for sharing this! It's very valuable to see the different
models
of engagement with educators around the world. I had been involved in
some
educational outreach myself in Wikimedia Israel, and they have been doing a lot more of that in the past few months, and I hope they could share their experiences and models (in English) soon too.
Some comments in brief about your report:
- the GEP operated by the WMF is certainly only _one_ model, and
obviously neither the only nor the first model to successfully engage with education. It is very likely that the GEP model is not suitable for all geographies, and that we don't have the resources to engage in the GEP model everywhere. So it's great to collect models-that-work, for others to learn from
and
maybe try.
- re the community's openness to technical features such as the
visual
editor: it's best to start a conversation about it sooner rather than later. Has the visual editor been discussed at all in the cswp community? Have people played with the demo?
- Do you have thoughts about how to expand work in the Czech Republic
without taking up so much of Chmee2's time? I.e. can this scale to support, say, 20 concurrent classes?
Once again, thanks for sharing! It would be great to find a corner to record this more lastingly, perhaps on the Outreach wiki. Is there anyone on this list willing to curate this?
Cheers,
Asaf
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Juan de Vojníkov juandevojnikov@gmail.com wrote:
This is a cross mail to educational-l and WMCZ board.
Hi folks,
on December 12, 2011 seven Czech Wikipedians (mostly scollars and researchers) met in a tearoom in Prague, Czech Republic to disscuss issues relating cooperation between Wikipedia and an educational
institutions.
At first some of the projects were presented and participants had a possibility to ask details about these projects. Then broad discussion on
different
topics continued.
At the time, there is one project running by the cooperation between Wikipedians and teacher and one project which is runnig just by
teacher
iniciative. Other ambassador x educational institution projects are
in
the different stage of preparation (mostly attracting teacher and training). There is not just interest from the side of Wikipedians to start such cooperation, but also teachers directly come to use Wikipedia in the classroom by the means of edditing it.
Seemingly the most successful project, running at this time on cs.wp, from which we may learn is the cooperation between user:Chmee2[1] and a teacher of ecology from the Institute for Environmental Studies from Faculty
of
Science of the Charles University. Chmee2 was contacted at Wikikonference 2010 after presenting a project aiming to develop articles about protected areas (=ecology) by a Ph.D. student, who introduce him to the
teacher.
Half a year later around 30 students were instructed how to edit
Wikipedia.
If they create NPOV, good article with references and images, they will recive a credit. User Chmee2 periodically reads students work, repair it and offer them a feedback. Thus the teacher doesn't have extra work with that.
To
the end of the semester students present chosen protected area (e.g. via
MS
PowerPoint) in class. Teacher and Chmee2 give them a feedback and together with the teacher and other students they give them questions to push them to think about the topic. Thus it gives students 2 values: a) they study and understand the topic, b) they got variegation in education and good feeling that their work will be useful. Chmee2 says: "The ambassador must
have
a time for such project. While in U.S. people are proud of having an editing experience with Wikipedia and they can have it in CV, in the Czech Republic that is nothing special and there is a luck of motivation. Thus ambassadors are old Wikipedians themselves."
So it seems, that this might be one of the models which may work in
the
environment of the Czech Republic, while to see if other ambassador like programs will work we have to wait some time.
Thus we spent quite a lot off time in discussing the motivation
factor
for students, teacher and/or ambassadors. It seems in it there would be a need of some credit system supporting ambassadors and/or teacher to
become a
valuable part of such cooperation. But this encounter legal issue of schools – you have to negotiate it with school functionaries. User:Hawkzn things it might be possible, while User:JirkaDI sees it like structural
problem.
Other "problems" comes when newbies coming to the Czech Wikipedia. There is a luck of mentors for them and they have to face both technical (wikisyntax, templates, standards) and social problems (unpleasant users, lack of social interaction, just templates on their discussion page). Thus we have agreed to focus on setting up some features from en.wp such gadget Cite[2] or Wikilove. At this time User:Vojtech.dostal comes up with
the
information that Wikimedia Foundation's (WMF) developers is close to WYSIWYG editor for Wikipedia, but user Chmee2 is afraid that most of the good tools from WMF might be reject by the local community.
The group is not just aware how to motivate more people to get into
the
cooperation and how to create friendlier environment for newcomers,
but
also comes up with questions how to communicate an offer to a teacher to start participate and how to motivate her/him to start up with the project. Thus participants will share their experience via Wikipedia on WikiProject EDU.[3]
Finally could be assumed that this first meeting and hopefully not last, come up with a lot of answers and positive mood to continue with such work and overstep problems which will come up. There is a common will to continue in such work. Participants understand they should be slow in getting more work and work together, but as every participant has some amount of internal pride, they will probably work separately developing and testing new models. Some of them call to go to younger leaners (high school, elementary), others disagree and call to join seniors (via lifelong learning courses).
If you understand Czech you can joint us via Ambassadors's page[4]
and
see there also our projects and their state.
Best regards, Juandev Chmee2
[1] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Chmee2 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_expander [3] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:WikiProjekt_EDU [4] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Ambasadorstv%C3%AD
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