On 9 January 2012 20:02, Gorilla Warfare <
gorillawarfarewikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:
> I believe this is what Asaf means:
> <
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor>. The demo is here:
> <
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox>.
>
> Pretty cool, if you ask me!
>
> - GW
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Bart <
banaticus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Which visual editor? I thought there was no true visual wikimedia
>> editor, since it would have to basically be its own server, what with
>> templates, etc.
>>
>> Banaticus
>>
>> On 20 December 2011 18:12, Asaf Bartov <
abartov@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> > Hi, Jan.
>> >
>> > Thanks for sharing this! It's very valuable to see the different models
>> > of
>> > engagement with educators around the world. I had been involved in some
>> > educational outreach myself in Wikimedia Israel, and they have been
>> > doing a
>> > lot more of that in the past few months, and I hope they could share
>> > their
>> > experiences and models (in English) soon too.
>> >
>> > Some comments in brief about your report:
>> >
>> > 1. the GEP operated by the WMF is certainly only _one_ model, and
>> > obviously
>> > neither the only nor the first model to successfully engage with
>> > education.
>> > It is very likely that the GEP model is not suitable for all
>> > geographies,
>> > and that we don't have the resources to engage in the GEP model
>> > everywhere.
>> > So it's great to collect models-that-work, for others to learn from and
>> > maybe try.
>> >
>> > 2. re the community's openness to technical features such as the visual
>> > editor: it's best to start a conversation about it sooner rather than
>> > later.
>> > Has the visual editor been discussed at all in the cswp community?
>> > Have
>> > people played with the demo?
>> >
>> > 3. Do you have thoughts about how to expand work in the Czech Republic
>> > without taking up so much of Chmee2's time? I.e. can this scale to
>> > support,
>> > say, 20 concurrent classes?
>> >
>> > Once again, thanks for sharing! It would be great to find a corner to
>> > record this more lastingly, perhaps on the Outreach wiki. Is there
>> > anyone
>> > on this list willing to curate this?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Asaf
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Juan de Vojníkov
>> > <
juandevojnikov@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This is a cross mail to educational-l and WMCZ board.
>> >>
>> >> Hi folks,
>> >>
>> >> on December 12, 2011 seven Czech Wikipedians (mostly scollars and
>> >> researchers) met in a tearoom in Prague, Czech Republic to disscuss
>> >> issues
>> >> relating cooperation between Wikipedia and an educational institutions.
>> >> At
>> >> first some of the projects were presented and participants had a
>> >> possibility
>> >> to ask details about these projects. Then broad discussion on different
>> >> topics continued.
>> >>
>> >> At the time, there is one project running by the cooperation between
>> >> Wikipedians and teacher and one project which is runnig just by teacher
>> >> iniciative. Other ambassador x educational institution projects are in
>> >> the
>> >> different stage of preparation (mostly attracting teacher and
>> >> training).
>> >> There is not just interest from the side of Wikipedians to start such
>> >> cooperation, but also teachers directly come to use Wikipedia in the
>> >> classroom by the means of edditing it.
>> >>
>> >> Seemingly the most successful project, running at this time on cs.wp,
>> >> from
>> >> which we may learn is the cooperation between user:Chmee2[1] and a
>> >> teacher
>> >> of ecology from the Institute for Environmental Studies from Faculty of
>> >> Science of the Charles University. Chmee2 was contacted at
>> >> Wikikonference
>> >> 2010 after presenting a project aiming to develop articles about
>> >> protected
>> >> areas (=ecology) by a Ph.D. student, who introduce him to the teacher.
>> >> Half
>> >> a year later around 30 students were instructed how to edit Wikipedia.
>> >> If
>> >> they create NPOV, good article with references and images, they will
>> >> recive
>> >> a credit. User Chmee2 periodically reads students work, repair it and
>> >> offer
>> >> them a feedback. Thus the teacher doesn't have extra work with that. To
>> >> the
>> >> end of the semester students present chosen protected area (e.g. via MS
>> >> PowerPoint) in class. Teacher and Chmee2 give them a feedback and
>> >> together
>> >> with the teacher and other students they give them questions to push
>> >> them to
>> >> think about the topic. Thus it gives students 2 values: a) they study
>> >> and
>> >> understand the topic, b) they got variegation in education and good
>> >> feeling
>> >> that their work will be useful. Chmee2 says: "The ambassador must have
>> >> a
>> >> time for such project. While in U.S. people are proud of having an
>> >> editing
>> >> experience with Wikipedia and they can have it in CV, in the Czech
>> >> Republic
>> >> that is nothing special and there is a luck of motivation. Thus
>> >> ambassadors
>> >> are old Wikipedians themselves."
>> >>
>> >> So it seems, that this might be one of the models which may work in the
>> >> environment of the Czech Republic, while to see if other ambassador
>> >> like
>> >> programs will work we have to wait some time.
>> >>
>> >> Thus we spent quite a lot off time in discussing the motivation factor
>> >> for
>> >> students, teacher and/or ambassadors. It seems in it there would be a
>> >> need
>> >> of some credit system supporting ambassadors and/or teacher to become a
>> >> valuable part of such cooperation. But this encounter legal issue of
>> >> schools
>> >> – you have to negotiate it with school functionaries. User:Hawkzn
>> >> things it
>> >> might be possible, while User:JirkaDI sees it like structural problem.
>> >>
>> >> Other "problems" comes when newbies coming to the Czech Wikipedia.
>> >> There
>> >> is a luck of mentors for them and they have to face both technical
>> >> (wikisyntax, templates, standards) and social problems (unpleasant
>> >> users,
>> >> lack of social interaction, just templates on their discussion page).
>> >> Thus
>> >> we have agreed to focus on setting up some features from en.wp such
>> >> gadget
>> >> Cite[2] or Wikilove. At this time User:Vojtech.dostal comes up with the
>> >> information that Wikimedia Foundation's (WMF) developers is close to
>> >> WYSIWYG
>> >> editor for Wikipedia, but user Chmee2 is afraid that most of the good
>> >> tools
>> >> from WMF might be reject by the local community.
>> >>
>> >> The group is not just aware how to motivate more people to get into the
>> >> cooperation and how to create friendlier environment for newcomers, but
>> >> also
>> >> comes up with questions how to communicate an offer to a teacher to
>> >> start
>> >> participate and how to motivate her/him to start up with the project.
>> >> Thus
>> >> participants will share their experience via Wikipedia on WikiProject
>> >> EDU.[3]
>> >>
>> >> Finally could be assumed that this first meeting and hopefully not
>> >> last,
>> >> come up with a lot of answers and positive mood to continue with such
>> >> work
>> >> and overstep problems which will come up. There is a common will to
>> >> continue
>> >> in such work. Participants understand they should be slow in getting
>> >> more
>> >> work and work together, but as every participant has some amount of
>> >> internal
>> >> pride, they will probably work separately developing and testing new
>> >> models.
>> >> Some of them call to go to younger leaners (high school, elementary),
>> >> others
>> >> disagree and call to join seniors (via lifelong learning courses).
>> >>
>> >> If you understand Czech you can joint us via Ambassadors's page[4] and
>> >> see
>> >> there also our projects and their state.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Juandev
>> >> Chmee2
>> >>
>> >> [1]
http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Chmee2
>> >> [2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_expander>> >> [3]
http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:WikiProjekt_EDU
>> >> [4]
http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Ambasadorstv%C3%AD>> >>
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