There are discussion on en at Wikipedia talk:Deletion reform and at Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_policy and at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion
In summary, various things have been suggested: Technical: a/ narrowing the criteria for A7, notability, which is the worst of the problem b/ providing for a holding period on the pattern of PROD c/ requiring a minimum period after creation d/ categorizing them better, again after the manner of PRODSUM e/ having an intermediate class between speedy and Prod.
Organizational: a/ encouraging and facilitating deletion review, and encouraging more participants b/ listing all speedy deletions in an easy to review format showing the person placing them and the deleting admin
Interpersonal: a/ informal individual feedback about deleting admins & informal encouragement to ask for feedback b/ informal individual encouragement to go to deletion review
Formal a/ individually tracking decisions, and asking for process against over-active deletors and admins, on the grounds that it amounts to vandalism or abuse of power. ==and of course doing these in an organized way, which I am reluctant to start discussing at this point.
and there are an additional 2 problems, so tricky I want to mention them separately a/ An admin can single handedly delete immediately without listing first for speedy, and they do--I was incredulous when i first heard this was possible b/ An admin can delete during the process of an AfD, by unilaterally deciding to close early, which is often done after only 1 or two voices is heard. b'/ and in fact, Anyone can list for speedy during the progress of an AfD.
but, and this will be the counter-arguement to all, and it is a very good one, there is a very large number of total garbage that must be deleted as soon as possible to avoid encouraging it.
Note that I have omitted a few dozen suggestions on those pages that I think not quite to the point.
I'd like opinions, especially from those with extensive experience in the present system and who support it. Actual discussion should of course take place on the policy pages mentioned.
David Goodman DGG
On 4/12/07, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
So what are we going to do about it?
Mark
On 11/04/07, David Goodman dgoodmanny@gmail.com wrote:
People will make incorrect speedy judgments based on many kinds of bias, and also just out of carelessness or recklessness. In the last few few weeks on en WP, there have been speedies of UK High Court Judges, American college presidents, landmark novels, major sports figures whose careers were thought hoaxes, and so on. The error rate seems to be about 1%, but that can amount to 10 a day.
Speedy is essential for keeping up with the vandalism, but it exemplifies the problems caused by permitting any editor to do anything -- and by rapid moving unilateral process without oversight. David Goodman DGG
On 4/11/07, J.L.W.S. The Special One hildanknight@gmail.com wrote:
You could also use {{hangon}}.
I hope people will not make quick notability judgements influenced by systemic bias.
2007/4/12, Frederick Noronha fred@bytesforall.org:
Thanks all. But I did post in the talk page. I mentioned my ongoing work in this field. Three entries were nominated for speedy deletion. Two were not. And one was. The logic seems a bit hard to fathom. Anyway, I think the Wikipedia is doing a great job. Keep on at it. FN
On 12/04/07, Maury Markowitz maury_markowitz@hotmail.com wrote:
The articles were nominated for speedy deletion because the nominator thought they were not notable. Sadly, systemic bias influences the nominator's judgement of notability. Articles on Singaporean topics get nominated for deletion all the time.
Worse than that, this article clearly meets all notibility requirements. Simply type it into Google. I am restoring immediately.
Frederick, I do have a suggestion. When you see any one of these delete messages POST IN DETAIL ON THE TALK PAGE. If you do not, someone coming across the page has no information on which to base their decision.
Maury
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