Hoi, It is all well and good for a project to insist on a policy. However there are two problems with doing it this way for the Commons project: * The insistence of the Commons community that they are a law onto themselves * The Commons serves as a resource to all projects whereby its policies directly affect ALL other projects
The consequence of this is that arguments that are derived from the Commons community are made irrelevant because the arguments from other projects are not heard either (deliberately).
If you want to be nice, you have to listen to the arguments of others. In the past it was made quite clear that the Commons community does not want to do that.
Thanks, GerardM
On 6/29/06, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/29/06, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
I have a hard time listening to people who make loud an emotional complaints about exclusion when we talk about registration, because it's patently untrue. Registration excludes no one. If you want to argue on the basis of more complicated editing/uploading dissuading new people from discovering the joy of contributing then I can follow that argument.. But to claim that we're discussion a policy of exclusion? Thats just trolling.
It's important noting the philosophy behind a change like the one proposed. Many forums require registration and e-mail confirmation to discourage spam and abuse. This is not the philosophy of the wiki, where you typically develop complex measures of surveillance, prevention and intervention rather than erecting barriers to entry.
But the change is not to proposed to make it harder to upload. The change is proposed to make it easier to contact uploaders, which is a legitimate concern. If this becomes an opt-in measure for each wiki community (each of which may have its own reasons for wanting or not wanting it), I really see no compelling reason against it.
One could make the argument (and I believe Kat did) that it is harsher to uploaders to just delete their pictures without asking. The idea here is not to _exclude_ people. The idea is to be nice to them. But I think it's OK for Commons to be "harsh", because it follows a very strict standard of freedom and it's important for people to learn that. I'm not sure if the rest of the Commons community will agree, but essentially, I think there needs to be a consensus-oriented discussion on each wiki before a feature like this is activated.
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