On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:53:56 -0500, Olve Utne utne@nvg.org wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:10:12 -0700, Mark Williamson wrote:
what would http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noreg redirect to?
Try this: http://nb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noreg
Yes, this does take you to the Norsk (bokmål) article Norge, where you can then click on the interwiki link to Nynorsk (soon probably to be renamed Norsk (nynorsk)) to be taken to the Nynorsk article Noreg. I think this is a relatively minor problem that is outweighed by the general advantages of the drafted solution.
Hmmm... This looks like much more than a "minor problem" to me.
A Gedankenexperiment: What would bokmål users say if we turned the chairs around, making http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norge point to http://nn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noreg, and making them click on "norsk (bokmål)" to read about "Norge"?
I'll tell you what they (we) would say: "we will not accept it"!
So what makes you say that nynorsk users should put up with it?
There is an alternative solution though[, which] can be done quite easily in specific cases by creating a disambiguation page on nb: -- in this particular case it would contain links to :nb:Norge and :nn:Noreg
What if the title is exactly the same in "norsk (bokmål)" and "norsk (nynorsk)", which will in fact be the case for at least half of all articles? Should http://no.wikipedia.org then automatically make the choice for you and send you to bokmål, even if the nynorsk article is bigger or better? What if the bokmål article is a stub and the nynorsk one isn't?
To me, point 4) of Olve's proposal does not seem like an acceptable way to go.
Olve and some others have actually listed "relative size of community" as an argument *for* letting "no:" point to bokmål only. If anything, that should be an argument for promoting nynorsk; certainly not bokmål! It sounds to me like some of the people here are taking it for granted that the bokmål community will always stay bigger than the nynorsk community, "so why not just resign and give the bokmål camp exclusive rights to the common language code"?
That, I believe, is what's called a "self-fulfilling prophecy"! At least it is definitely the opposite of promoting equality between the languages.
The best argument for creating (not keeping!) a bokmål Wikipedia on "no:" that I have heard so far, came from Lars Alvik:
no: and nn: is right next to each other, compared to nb: and nn:
(nl: in between),
so in a alfabetizied interwikilist, nynorsk and bokmål would get splitted.
However, I think this beauty flaw is better solved by sorting the interwiki links by their legible output rather than by their cryptic language codes. (This would require no extra work when adding new interwiki codes, unless you do not know the name of the language you are adding, in which case you probably shouldn't be the one adding it anyway. Reordering existing interwiki links could be a nice little task for a bot.)
Ulf Lunde