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Hi,
I'm a bit used to votings and elections in a party organization, and am a sociologist, so maybe my level of suspection is higher than that of other people. So, first of all -- it is a good thing, somebody put's time in the voting coordination, and it is thanksworthy.
But (you expected that, didn't you ;-)) ...
Toby-
The whole setup looks very odd for Wikipedia. Why is Erik deciding by fiat how things are run?
He is the vote coordinator; somebody has to make choices on how to procede or nothing will happen.
So, the obvious question is: who made Erik the vote coordinator? I don't ask this because I think someone else should do it or because I see an actual problem here, but because this may be a weak point of wikipedias organisation. (On the other hand, I really don't like to get a wikipedia with by-laws, so I'm a bit concerned and undecided at the same time).
I think Erik is doing an excellent job and think he should be thanked for the many hours of his /own/ time he has put into this effort instead of being accused of dictating terms.
Yes, even I find it quite unusual to think that way -- every "free" work works that way. So what? What about the people who submitted logos? What about the people who took their time and voted?
This is, after all, the largest vote in Wikipedia's history and we are all learning as we move along.
Right, and so I fear we set precedence. Wikipedia has the possibility to try condorcet voting, or some other more democratic and more fair voting system. So the vote on the voting system. This vote was made FPTP in a dictatorial ;-) decision by Erik, me thinks, and initially it wasn't even clear if it should go FPTP or approval. Someone else started condorcet as an alternative way shortly thereafter. If everybody votes FPTP and condorcet, we would see the difference -- same people, same interests, but maybe a different outcome!
But at the same time the vote does have to move along.
Right.
Arguing over the vote method to use on the vote to decide what the second stage voting method should be, is, IMO a petty activity that tends to rerail the process instead of moving it along.
Maybe it slows down the voting a bit, but also it helps us to find a voting system that fits wikipedia. So maybe this slow discussion is helpful after all, in the longer run.
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