On ĵaŭ, 2003-01-30 at 16:11, Anthere wrote:
Ah, another thing
Curry is asking for the banning.
Of Philippe, no?
I put here the last articles posted on the french wikipedia that are triggering this wish.
[snip]
I say "this is really shocking, isn't it"
My fellow seem to consider these writings are non-acceptable by french law, thus should not be on Wikipedia.
Hmm... I can't speak for French law, of course...
On race http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Race&oldid=25534
On racisme anti-blanc http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Racisme_%E0_l%27envers&oldid=...
On racialisme http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Racialisme&oldid=25542
These all need *desperately* some contextualisation, as they are about terms whose usage carries a point of view with them. Naked as they are, these do strike me as 'the kind of thing a racist would say, then say "hey! i'm not racist, just _racialist_, and see how innocent it is!"'.
I'd be rather curious to see what kind of law they might break, though...
The current versions of these articles aren't necessarily the best way to handle it; I think they would do better to discuss *and debunk* racist notions as much as possible, putting them in the proper context so when some kid hears about "racialism" or "reverse racism" and then looks it up on Wikipedia they'll see a rational, neutral explanation of what makes some people think and speak that way -- so they'll _understand_ why to discount those ideas. Pretending the terms don't exist or saying "oh, that's just what RACISTS think, if you touch them it might rub off on you! stay away!" strikes me as ineffective, or even counterproductive ("look, those Wikipedians are so biased they're afraid to take us on rationally!"). There are lessons to be learned from the evil that men do.
On [religion] et homosexualité http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Homosexualit%E9_et_religion&o...
It's a fact that some religions (or some religious traditions) consider homosexuality a sin, and that some people use this as a basis for a stance against gay rights.
Of course it needs expansion and detail (I would agree the current revision is better). Compare: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_homosexuality
On islam and homosexualité http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Islam_et_homosexualit%E9&oldi...
That's a direct translation of the first two paragraphs of the English article: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_of_homosexuality
Later revisions have I think improved it with mention that there are somewhat more tolerant traditions in Islam as well.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)