I'm Canadian, and I try to work on the French wikipedia sometimes.
Malhereusement, le français n'est pas ma langue maternelle. However, I'm
not sure it would help to have French-Canadians there, especially as the
French-Canadians on the English wikipedia can barely work together (with
themselves and with English-Canadians like me) on Quebec-related articles.
Adam Bishop
From: "Constans, Camille (C.C.)"
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To: "'anthere8(a)yahoo.com'"
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Subject: RE: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Press release : Logo putsch on the
FrenchWikipedia !
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:18:44 -0500
Just as Tarquin would put it (and put it on fr actually), the french
wikipedia is very much French, not french speaking. Some
outside call it
Wikipedia Française :-( Because it is essentially poved by
France culture.
Most of people one fr are french.... It will be nice if we could have some
africans or canadian to work with us.
Some articles on french cities, do not mention the
city is in France,
because it is obvious :-)
We dont think about other country :) But I make the same mistake for cities
in other country, when I speak about Orlando, I think a Orlando in
Florida...
Date articles, current events, are focused on
french events
We're french :)
When two words are used, one canadian, one french,
some think the
*correct* one is the french (see previous discussion about gay
and gai,
and what is "correct" anyway)
Difficult question. Why dont using the two words ? with a redirect
And this is not even mentionning that the proper
way to write
is the one
suggested by the French Academy or the French Typographic
Code. Perhaps
Canada has a chance as well here, but I doubt a decree in
Algeria about
how to use french would be given much consideration :-)
Difficult question too, i would like to know it works between American
People and british people ?
We seek to have images legal issues respect the
"french" legislation.
Because most of wikipedians are french, and they hope to be able to speak
or distribute the french wikipédia "in law".
The association will be set in France.
Others could be set in Belgium, Canada, and I hope in Senegal....
A hosting server would be in France likely.
It's juste an idea, because the french association could be work on it. Why
an another server in an another contry ?
The idea of local association is good. But here,
it will just add a
layer of cultural weight.
The goal of this association is not to take the power on the french
wikipedia, this association could just help the wikipedia with funds,
publicity, forums, etc...
France culture is already *so* heavy, that a
Christmas logo, which in
itself *could be* npov if other celebrations were respected as
well, is
*smelling* culture dominency again.
Yeah, it's true. But it could had a bit of fun :)
It is just another step. Dominancy over content,
over style, logo :-)))
Do you think we're really pov ? We're working to prevent that, I hope...
Of course, many editors are french, so that is not
so surprising. But
that does not mean we should not try to compensate our bias.
Agree
Not a long time ago, on ml, there was a discussion
over how to reach
npov on international wikipedias, given that the variety of
participants
is more limited than on en. This is worrying me deeply as well. We are
not currently trying to work toward npov I fear, we are still
trying to
understand the concept. Of course, some will disagree with
that opinion
of mine :-)
Juste your opinion Anthere, I think most of people try to work npov. See
all the battles on religious articles.
18 months ago, I thought that if I could attract
more french speaking
people on the french wikipedia, from the en: stock, they could help us
to fight France cultural dominancy.
I also thought that if some french users could also work on
the english
wikipedia, that would help, if they could see how people were doing in
another place. That is what I did, even if I am not really part of the
english wikipedia.
That is why I hoped so much for mixing all of us.
That, if it was hard for some of us to understand npov, international
mixing could help.
That, if it was hard for some of us, to accept the one different,
international mixing could help.
That, if it was hard for us to solve conflict resolution, because we
have no expert on this, international cooperation, mediation, where
international would be welcome in english commitee, even at observers,
to learn, it would help. Or if international commitee could be
set, that
would help.
But yeah, right, no. There is here, and there. No confusion.
One belongs
here, or belongs there.
I do not know what to think of what is going on. Except that each time
there is a discussion on something on fr, it can't stay polite.
Sometime it stay polite :) We have some latin blood ;-)
So when Tarquin says he wants to talk about it on
the international
list, one answer is "that he should keep his ridiculous threats for
himself". This is how disagreement and willingness to talk with other
members of the same project is interpretated : a threat.
Tarquin present this as a war declaration : I wont work on fr wikipédia
until some things changes ! And He said : I will say to international ml
that fr is npov and prefer to work on style than on content. As if we were
small children who didn't respect the rules! Personnaly I dislike this !
As a matter of interest, I would be curious to
know how those
internationals, that are split between wikipedias assume that. I find
extremely disconcerting to see two parts of a "common" project
being so
different. It is a bit like that psychological disorder :-)
Do you think we're really different ? I'm sure there's some probleme as
ours on en, de, nl, oc, oups not oc, there's no yet enough people :)
I hope this issue be solved Tarquin, because fr
needs you badly.
As I said, leaving is not a solution. Tarquin choose to leave, it's his
choice. Athymik does it some weeks ago.
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