I think you are misunderstanding the purpose of that change Kpjas
First notice what the top of that page is saying in terms of description
"We use Intlwiki-L, to coordinate Wikipedia across different languages. Please take a look at the Wikipedia Embassy and join if you're interested in the future of these projects"
It is about *coordination*, not so much stating the *existence of other languages*, fact that is already stated otherwise.
Second : that change should not be a surprise. A couple of days ago, tc wrote in the talk page
"I'd like to redirect this page to Wikipedia:Multilingual coordination. I think that better expresses the intent of this page, and doesn't carry any nationalistic baggage. It's also an active name--describes an ongoing process, rather than a fuzzy entity of unclear definition."
I don't think I saw any no-wait answer to his comment, but only support from Mav.
I think using the word "international wikipedias" is not a good idea, because 1) it stress out the "national" part of the wiki, which is wrong since our wikis are defined by langage rather than by nationalities 2) it set up by default two groups, the international one and the english one 3) as Mav said, it excludes Esperanto
The choice of the "non-english page" is better, for it focuses back on the language. But it still maintain a two groups settings.
This new page title is imho better for it removes that separation, and, yes, insists on the evolution most of us desire.
No, it does not make us a subproject, notice the en.wiki is also in the list.
This said, I think our stats have nothing to do on this page. They should be on another page. They have nothing to do with coordination.
I don't think we can agree to "the smaller have to subdue" rule.
I don't understand why this new title makes you think that.
If there is something to complain about, let me give you an example.
It seems that from the fr.wiki, I can link an english article with [[w:blabla]] or a meta article with [[m.blabla]]. Is there any way I can directly link a french article on the en.wiki ? I don't think so. Maybe I am wrong. If I am, please somebody explain to me how I do that. If I am not, why is it that a link can only go one way, and not the other?
That is a coordination issue. The fact it is between english language and a non-english language is irrelevant. It should just work between a language and another, whatever the language.
--- "Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz" kpj@gower.pl wrote:
Hi all,
Cunctator moved 'Wikipedia:Non-English Wikipedias' to 'Wikipedia:Multilingual coordination'.
One might think that there are no Wikipedias in other languages anymore. Are we destinied to be just a division of Wikipedia for Multilingual coordination ?
It seems to be rather unfair to people involved in Wikipedias in other languages.
- some contributors of Wikipedias in other
languages have put a lot of effort and passion into creating "their" Wikipedias. They may or may not care much about the English WP 2. Non-English Wikipedias have only recently been given more attention by Wikipedia community at large which is dominated by English speaking crowd 3. we always wanted help and coordination but we felt put aside a little
I suppose there is a general consensus in non-English Wikipedias about the current policies and plans towards ONE Wikipedia in different languages but I don't think we can agree to "the smaller have to subdue" rule.
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