As I said, some of this is WMF-specific. For example, WMF could coordinate its requests for surveys and consultations so that they happen on a predictable monthly basis instead of sending what feels like 10+ notifications every month for separate consultations and surveys, with some of those being repeat requests (personally I think a ceiling of 2 requests per consultation/survey would be appropriate). I'm in favor of consultations, but there can be too much of a good thing. Information overload is as much of a problem as lack of communication.
I don't have a solution to this package of problems, but I think it would be worth researching and trying to refine information flows for greater efficiency and effectiveness, and to make more effective use of everyone's time. I imagine that large organizations (e.g. IBM) have people whose jobs are focused on improving information workflows within their organization, and I think that WMF and the community could benefit from that kind of approach to communications and information management.
Pine
On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
(branching this into a new thread as it gets quite off topic)
Pine: Why do you think the solution lies with the Wikimedia Foundation?
Lodewijk
2017-03-18 22:52 GMT+01:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:
My point is more or less the same one that you're making. Communications (too much and too little) and information overload are both challenges. I don't think there's going to be a silver bullet solution, but I hope that WMF will invest effort into addressing this set of problems during the
next
Annual Plan. Some of this is WMF-specific, but some of it also relates to how we've organized ourselves in the community through organic growth and over time we've developed so many channels that one wonders if we would benefit from some consolidation and pruning.
Pine
On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 2:15 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
You mean, "how to deal with people who complain they weren't consulted then turn around and complain they were excessively consulted"? At this point, the appropriate thing would be to put forward a plausible solution rather than complain they did the thing you claimed they hadn't sufficiently done.
- d.
On 18 March 2017 at 20:39, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Chris,
That last paragraph assumes that people (1) know where to look and
(2)
have
hours to spend watching countless channels for announcements. On the
other
hand, there's also a problem of burying people in so many
announcements,
surveys, and consultations that people start to tune it all out. This
is
part of a larger set of communications and "information overload"
problems
that I'm hoping that WMF will address, particularly during its next
Annual
Plan.
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