Hello all,
I already wrote something on the English Beer Parlour, but this list is probably more appropriate.
A new logo of the project Wiktionary has been voted at the end of October. But the old logo has not been replaced in any project I have visited (All the 1000+).
Why isn't it implemented now? Maybe because the logo is still incomplete, some issues are still discussed: which letter should be written? W (from Wiktionary) or A (from the alphabet)? Problems with the Japanese letters, etc.
By the pace is is going, there will never be a final version.
So, what do we do?
We could speed things up by forcing the remaining issues to be discussed (in the English Beer Parlour for example). We could also "forget" about this logo and just keep the old one. Of course it has been voted, but it looks like nobody cares now. And some people complained about the vote procedure itself.
I would have supported this logo even though I dislike it (for many reasons), but the way things went and are going now, I would not anymore. Do we still need this logo? It doesn't add anything compared to the old one (maybe more solid, but that's all).
If I could, I would just ignore the vote and either keep the current one, or begin another procedure but this time with a proper preparation (there has been too much problems), with more time to propose versions, etc. For example, if I organize a vote on fr: (the project where I work the most) with the question: "Do you want to change the logo with the new one or keep the current one?" I think there would be more votes for keeping the old. In the end, it is still the Wiktionary communities who decide, isn't it?
Here is a link to the new logo page on meta: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/logo
I would like to know your opinion about that ^^
Thanks, Darkdadaah, fr.wikt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non sollicités http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail
Matthieu Barba a écrit :
Hello all,
I already wrote something on the English Beer Parlour, but this list is probably more appropriate.
A new logo of the project Wiktionary has been voted at the end of October. But the old logo has not been replaced in any project I have visited (All the 1000+).
Why isn't it implemented now? Maybe because the logo is still incomplete, some issues are still discussed: which letter should be written? W (from Wiktionary) or A (from the alphabet)? Problems with the Japanese letters, etc.
By the pace is is going, there will never be a final version.
So, what do we do?
We could speed things up by forcing the remaining issues to be discussed (in the English Beer Parlour for example). We could also "forget" about this logo and just keep the old one. Of course it has been voted, but it looks like nobody cares now. And some people complained about the vote procedure itself.
I would have supported this logo even though I dislike it (for many reasons), but the way things went and are going now, I would not anymore. Do we still need this logo? It doesn't add anything compared to the old one (maybe more solid, but that's all).
If I could, I would just ignore the vote and either keep the current one, or begin another procedure but this time with a proper preparation (there has been too much problems), with more time to propose versions, etc. For example, if I organize a vote on fr: (the project where I work the most) with the question: "Do you want to change the logo with the new one or keep the current one?" I think there would be more votes for keeping the old. In the end, it is still the Wiktionary communities who decide, isn't it?
Here is a link to the new logo page on meta: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/logo
I would like to know your opinion about that ^^
Thanks, Darkdadaah, fr.wikt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non sollicités http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail _______________________________________________ Wiktionary-l mailing list Wiktionary-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiktionary-l
Hello, yes, imho it is not implemented because it is incomplete. Furthermore I got the impression, that the logo vote was iniciated by non wiktionary contributors and that there were much voters from outside, so that now since the voting is over they are gone and no one from wiktionary is actually interested or has got the time completing this logo. It is funny that all Wiktionarians I have spoken with do not like this new logo, maybe that is also a reason why there is no progress. Best regards Elisabeth Anderl (aka spacebirdy)
Hoi, Another thing that was really special was that people were told that during the vote people were told that the logo would be implemented willy nilly. This was a real turn off for me as in someone else will do this. Nobody has, apparently nobody cares. It was also my impression was that it was not something that was popular among the Wiktionary communities.
I do not think the best logo won so I have yet another reason why I do not bother about the implementation of this logo.
Thanks, GerardM
elisabeth anderl schreef:
Matthieu Barba a écrit :
Hello all,
I already wrote something on the English Beer Parlour, but this list is probably more appropriate.
A new logo of the project Wiktionary has been voted at the end of October. But the old logo has not been replaced in any project I have visited (All the 1000+).
Why isn't it implemented now? Maybe because the logo is still incomplete, some issues are still discussed: which letter should be written? W (from Wiktionary) or A (from the alphabet)? Problems with the Japanese letters, etc.
By the pace is is going, there will never be a final version.
So, what do we do?
We could speed things up by forcing the remaining issues to be discussed (in the English Beer Parlour for example). We could also "forget" about this logo and just keep the old one. Of course it has been voted, but it looks like nobody cares now. And some people complained about the vote procedure itself.
I would have supported this logo even though I dislike it (for many reasons), but the way things went and are going now, I would not anymore. Do we still need this logo? It doesn't add anything compared to the old one (maybe more solid, but that's all).
If I could, I would just ignore the vote and either keep the current one, or begin another procedure but this time with a proper preparation (there has been too much problems), with more time to propose versions, etc. For example, if I organize a vote on fr: (the project where I work the most) with the question: "Do you want to change the logo with the new one or keep the current one?" I think there would be more votes for keeping the old. In the end, it is still the Wiktionary communities who decide, isn't it?
Here is a link to the new logo page on meta: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/logo
I would like to know your opinion about that ^^
Thanks, Darkdadaah, fr.wikt
Hello, yes, imho it is not implemented because it is incomplete. Furthermore I got the impression, that the logo vote was iniciated by non wiktionary contributors and that there were much voters from outside, so that now since the voting is over they are gone and no one from wiktionary is actually interested or has got the time completing this logo. It is funny that all Wiktionarians I have spoken with do not like this new logo, maybe that is also a reason why there is no progress. Best regards Elisabeth Anderl (aka spacebirdy)
I can confirm that - none of the editors of the Polish Wiktionary like the new logo or the idea of changing it.
Also, who can tell, perhaps in half a year someone else will start another vote on meta and we'll have to change the logo again... and again...
--[[m:user:tsca]]
[2007-01-08 22:41] Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, Another thing that was really special was that people were told that during the vote people were told that the logo would be implemented willy nilly. This was a real turn off for me as in someone else will do this. Nobody has, apparently nobody cares. It was also my impression was that it was not something that was popular among the Wiktionary communities.
I do not think the best logo won so I have yet another reason why I do not bother about the implementation of this logo.
Thanks, GerardM
elisabeth anderl schreef:
Matthieu Barba a écrit :
Hello all,
I already wrote something on the English Beer Parlour, but this list is probably more appropriate.
A new logo of the project Wiktionary has been voted at the end of October. But the old logo has not been replaced in any project I have visited (All the 1000+).
Why isn't it implemented now? Maybe because the logo is still incomplete, some issues are still discussed: which letter should be written? W (from Wiktionary) or A (from the alphabet)? Problems with the Japanese letters, etc.
By the pace is is going, there will never be a final version.
So, what do we do?
We could speed things up by forcing the remaining issues to be discussed (in the English Beer Parlour for example). We could also "forget" about this logo and just keep the old one. Of course it has been voted, but it looks like nobody cares now. And some people complained about the vote procedure itself.
I would have supported this logo even though I dislike it (for many reasons), but the way things went and are going now, I would not anymore. Do we still need this logo? It doesn't add anything compared to the old one (maybe more solid, but that's all).
If I could, I would just ignore the vote and either keep the current one, or begin another procedure but this time with a proper preparation (there has been too much problems), with more time to propose versions, etc. For example, if I organize a vote on fr: (the project where I work the most) with the question: "Do you want to change the logo with the new one or keep the current one?" I think there would be more votes for keeping the old. In the end, it is still the Wiktionary communities who decide, isn't it?
Here is a link to the new logo page on meta: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/logo
I would like to know your opinion about that ^^
Thanks, Darkdadaah, fr.wikt
Hello, yes, imho it is not implemented because it is incomplete. Furthermore I got the impression, that the logo vote was iniciated by non wiktionary contributors and that there were much voters from outside, so that now since the voting is over they are gone and no one from wiktionary is actually interested or has got the time completing this logo. It is funny that all Wiktionarians I have spoken with do not like this new logo, maybe that is also a reason why there is no progress. Best regards Elisabeth Anderl (aka spacebirdy)
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, Another thing that was really special was that people were told that during the vote people were told that the logo would be implemented willy nilly. This was a real turn off for me as in someone else will do this. Nobody has, apparently nobody cares. It was also my impression was that it was not something that was popular among the Wiktionary communities.
I do not think the best logo won so I have yet another reason why I do not bother about the implementation of this logo.
Thanks, GerardM
Hmm... I suppose I should've noticed this thread before installing a customized version of the new logo at the Vietnamese Wiktionary the other day. [1] As I told Smurrayinchester, the new logo's author, two of wikt:vi:'s main contributors voted for this logo, and another abstained, in effect saying "the vote has taken so long that the logo probably won't ever change". [2] (We only ever have three active contributors at one time, at most, so that's saying something.) So I didn't think the change would be controversial at wikt:vi:, and in fact, no one has said a word about it. :)
As for one of the issues surrounding the new logo: according to Californiacondor, the Japanese Wiktionary is fine with the Katakana character being used. [3]
I guess wikt:vi: is now pushing the issue, since, well, it's up there on all our pages. I'll make sure to keep our copy of the logo updated, though, in case we get agreement on any of the proposed logo tweaks.
[1] http://vi.wiktionary.org/wiki/H%C3%ACnh:Wiki.png [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/logo/archive-vote-4#Blank_vote [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Smurrayinchester#Wiktionary_Logo
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