Hoi, There is an acrimonious discussion on nl:wikipedia. This has to do with some people who consider wiktionary to be external to wikipedia and, they consider the information that a dictionary supplies to be of no additional value to wikipedia.
I want to diffuse this situation and I need the help from the developpers for that. The content of other wikipedia's can be found by clicking on the left hand side under "in other languages". I would like a method that allows us to link to the wiktionary article in that general area.
*This will remove any standard references to wiktionary from the wikipedia article itself. *The content of a sister article in another wikipedia should (theoretically) not add information to a wikipedia article as, it should only present the information in another language. As the referal to other wikipedia's is an established fact, the inclusion in that space of wiktionary information should not be a problem as wiktionary DOES add relevant information to the wikipedia article (translations, etymology, pronounciation etc) * Technically, the link requires a parameter as some wiktionaries do not have first character capitalisation.
The link from Wiktionary to Wikipedia is not a problem; here it is accepted that encyclopedic information should find its way in Wikipedia. The fact that dictionary information has no place in Wikipedia is also an established and respected fact.
Thanks, GerardM
I fail to understand what the argument is about.
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
There is an acrimonious discussion on nl:wikipedia. This has to do with some people who consider wiktionary to be external to wikipedia and, they consider the information that a dictionary supplies to be of no additional value to wikipedia.
I would disagree with them about that.
I want to diffuse this situation and I need the help from the developpers for that. The content of other wikipedia's can be found by clicking on the left hand side under "in other languages". I would like a method that allows us to link to the wiktionary article in that general area.
A link in the article should accomplish that more easily.
*This will remove any standard references to wiktionary from the wikipedia article itself.
Why would you want to do that?
*The content of a sister article in another wikipedia should (theoretically) not add information to a wikipedia article as, it should only present the information in another language. As the referal to other wikipedia's is an established fact, the inclusion in that space of wiktionary information should not be a problem as wiktionary DOES add relevant information to the wikipedia article (translations, etymology, pronounciation etc)
The reality is that the sister article is written by a separate group of people without reference to what is written in your chosen language. There's no rule to say that they must have the same information in all cases. Controversial subjects especially are affected by the attitudes of the separate groups of participants.
- Technically, the link requires a parameter as some wiktionaries do
not have first character capitalisation.
The link from Wiktionary to Wikipedia is not a problem; here it is accepted that encyclopedic information should find its way in Wikipedia. The fact that dictionary information has no place in Wikipedia is also an established and respected fact.
But there is some overlap.
Ec
Ray Saintonge wrote:
I fail to understand what the argument is about.
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
There is an acrimonious discussion on nl:wikipedia. This has to do with some people who consider wiktionary to be external to wikipedia and, they consider the information that a dictionary supplies to be of no additional value to wikipedia.
I would disagree with them about that.
But it is the argument. And like you, I disagree.
I want to diffuse this situation and I need the help from the developpers for that. The content of other wikipedia's can be found by clicking on the left hand side under "in other languages". I would like a method that allows us to link to the wiktionary article in that general area.
A link in the article should accomplish that more easily.
This link is what these people do not want and the existing link is what they object to. They say it is "advertizing an external website" and "as the people have no use for dictionary data, we can do without".
*This will remove any standard references to wiktionary from the wikipedia article itself.
Why would you want to do that?
I do not care where there is a link from a wikipedia article to a wiktionary articel *as long as this link is there* !!! I do NOT want to remove the links from wikipedia to wiktionary. I am of the opinion that both Wikipedia and Wiktionary are sister projects and complement each other.
*The content of a sister article in another wikipedia should (theoretically) not add information to a wikipedia article as, it should only present the information in another language. As the referal to other wikipedia's is an established fact, the inclusion in that space of wiktionary information should not be a problem as wiktionary DOES add relevant information to the wikipedia article (translations, etymology, pronounciation etc)
The reality is that the sister article is written by a separate group of people without reference to what is written in your chosen language. There's no rule to say that they must have the same information in all cases. Controversial subjects especially are affected by the attitudes of the separate groups of participants.
You are right, that is why it is theoretically; in the real world wikipedia articles have sometimes contrasting information in different languages.
- Technically, the link requires a parameter as some wiktionaries do
not have first character capitalisation.
There is the additional reason that for all kinds of reason the titles of the article is not the name of the subject, disambiguation is one.
The link from Wiktionary to Wikipedia is not a problem; here it is accepted that encyclopedic information should find its way in Wikipedia. The fact that dictionary information has no place in Wikipedia is also an established and respected fact.
But there is some overlap.
Ec
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Ray Saintonge wrote:
I want to diffuse this situation and I need the help from the developpers for that. The content of other wikipedia's can be found by clicking on the left hand side under "in other languages". I would like a method that allows us to link to the wiktionary article in that general area.
A link in the article should accomplish that more easily.
This link is what these people do not want and the existing link is what they object to. They say it is "advertizing an external website" and "as the people have no use for dictionary data, we can do without".
Sounds like an extreme view to me!
Why would you want to do that?
*This will remove any standard references to wiktionary from the wikipedia article itself. I do not care where there is a link from a wikipedia article to a wiktionary articel *as long as this link is there* !!! I do NOT want to remove the links from wikipedia to wiktionary. I am of the opinion that both Wikipedia and Wiktionary are sister projects and complement each other.
We may disagree about HOW the Wikiweb is structured, but we do agree that these interwiki relationships should exist. A sister site is part of the family. You make it sound like they are a little kid who wants to keep himself hidden in his own room. :-)
- Technically, the link requires a parameter as some wiktionaries do
not have first character capitalisation.
There is the additional reason that for all kinds of reason the titles of the article is not the name of the subject, disambiguation is one.
This is a technical issue which should in time be solvable.
Ec
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