Hoi, I have a 8878 big botanical glossary that I want to add to the wiktionary. I already have asked Andre Engels to help me out with preparing the upload and helping me out with doing things more easily aided by programs.
However some words are capitalised and some are not as they should be. I do not want to upload all these words before the capitalisation has been turned off for nl:wiktionary. It is just to much work to have it corrected at a later date.
At this moment the slim majority that prevents en:wiktionary to forego first letter capitalisation are some IP-numbers that have it for the Nayes. This "democratic" process prevents both nl:wiktionary and de:wiktionary from having the requested capitalisation turned off. In the discussions on en: it is stated that each project has the choise to decide on this issue. This is however not the case as the programmers want to have all wiktionaries the same way.
In order to have some more discussion on the subject, I send this message both to the wiktionary and wikitech list. I also send it to Jimbo Wales as he does not monitor the wiktionary list afaik. (I spoke with him on sunday..). Please, let us discuss this issue. The nl:wiktionary is on 3123 words, we will already have a big job to get things working again after the transfer. With time this will only increase and again, I will not upload the glossary and have to do these eventually as well.
Questions: *How are we goint to resolve this issue? *How can we turn capitalisation off, preferably in a fased way? *Are there ways to help out with programs? *How long are we going to discuss this issue before coming to a workable decision. NB not only for the wiktionaries but also the system maintenance?
Thanks, GerardM
Gerard.Meijssen schreef:
Hoi, I have a 8878 big botanical glossary that I want to add to the wiktionary. I already have asked Andre Engels to help me out with preparing the upload and helping me out with doing things more easily aided by programs.
However some words are capitalised and some are not as they should be. I do not want to upload all these words before the capitalisation has been turned off for nl:wiktionary. It is just to much work to have it corrected at a later date.
At this moment the slim majority that prevents en:wiktionary to forego first letter capitalisation are some IP-numbers that have it for the Nayes. This "democratic" process prevents both nl:wiktionary and de:wiktionary from having the requested capitalisation turned off. In the discussions on en: it is stated that each project has the choise to decide on this issue. This is however not the case as the programmers want to have all wiktionaries the same way.
In order to have some more discussion on the subject, I send this message both to the wiktionary and wikitech list. I also send it to Jimbo Wales as he does not monitor the wiktionary list afaik. (I spoke with him on sunday..). Please, let us discuss this issue. The nl:wiktionary is on 3123 words, we will already have a big job to get things working again after the transfer. With time this will only increase and again, I will not upload the glossary and have to do these eventually as well.
Questions: *How are we goint to resolve this issue? *How can we turn capitalisation off, preferably in a fased way? *Are there ways to help out with programs? *How long are we going to discuss this issue before coming to a workable decision. NB not only for the wiktionaries but also the system maintenance?
Thanks, GerardM
I would also like to see things moving regarding capitalisation. Most of the regular contributors on the English Wiktionary are in favor of switching off the first letter capitalisation for the Wiktionaries. As far as the contributors of the English Wiktionary are concerned, they cannot make decisions that impact other Wiktionaries, or at least it shouldn't be this way. It is unfortunate that it does.
So let's finally get things right and switch off capitalisation. The people that have contributed to the English Wiktionary from the beginning have been wanting to ask this from the beginning as well. We were told that we were going to have to make do with software as it was written for the encyclopedia though, so we did. Now that it became possible, it should also be done.
Jo
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Gerard.Meijssen schreef:
Hoi, I have a 8878 big botanical glossary that I want to add to the wiktionary. I already have asked Andre Engels to help me out with preparing the upload and helping me out with doing things more easily aided by programs.
However some words are capitalised and some are not as they should be. I do not want to upload all
these
words before the capitalisation has been turned off for nl:wiktionary. It is just to much work to have it corrected at a later date.
At this moment the slim majority that prevents en:wiktionary to forego first letter capitalisation are some IP-numbers that have it for the Nayes.
This
"democratic" process prevents both nl:wiktionary
and
de:wiktionary from having the requested capitalisation turned off. In the discussions on
en:
it is stated that each project has the choise to decide on this issue. This is however not the case as the programmers want to have all wiktionaries
the
same way.
In order to have some more discussion on the subject, I send this message both to the wiktionary and wikitech list. I also send it to Jimbo Wales as he does not monitor the wiktionary list afaik. (I spoke with him on sunday..). Please, let us discuss this issue. The nl:wiktionary is on 3123 words, we will already have a big job to get things working again after the transfer. With time this will only increase and again, I will not upload the glossary and have to do these eventually as well.
Questions: *How are we goint to resolve this issue? *How can we turn capitalisation off, preferably in a fased way? *Are there ways to help out with programs? *How long are we going to discuss this issue before coming to a workable decision. NB not only for the wiktionaries but also the system maintenance?
Thanks, GerardM
I would also like to see things moving regarding capitalisation. Most of the regular contributors on the English Wiktionary are in favor of switching off the first letter capitalisation for the Wiktionaries. As far as the contributors of the English Wiktionary are concerned, they cannot make decisions that impact other Wiktionaries, or at least it shouldn't be this way. It is unfortunate that it does.
So let's finally get things right and switch off capitalisation. The people that have contributed to the English Wiktionary from the beginning have been wanting to ask this from the beginning as well. We were told that we were going to have to make do with software as it was written for the encyclopedia though, so we did. Now that it became possible, it should also be done.
I and a couple of the real developers discussed the various issues and proposed techniques for improving the capitalisation of Wiki titles as requested by the various "factions" (: including what non-English Wiktionaries or at least some of their vocal users would like.
I have already experimented with the codebase to come at this problem in various ways, and Jamesday posted a summary of what we talked about on IRC at http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/case-sensitivity_vote
We would like to hear feedback and clarifications from everybody with your various viewpoints in this talk page please.
Andrew Dunbar (hippietrail)
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