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Cary Bass wrote:
> While the English Wiktionary community may or may
not be
> satisfied with the logo as-is, in the interest of maintaining a
> visual identity, one logo has to be used across projects, whether
> or not the English Wiktionary wants it or not.
I'd like a chance to
rephrase this, for poor grammar, as well as
unintended harshness.
Cary Bass wrote:
Dominic wrote:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>> When I read what is proposed, the
impression is given that a
>> process will start with a compulsory outcome. I understand
>> the rationale for one shared logo and favicon. The problem is
>> that it is people outside of Wiktionary that want to improve
>> the Wiktionary "brand" and the last time it was very much
>> these outsiders that made the selection.
>>
Exactly. Despite the fact that fr.wikt and a few
others
eventually adopted the logo, the logo debacle was not en.wikt's
making. It wasn't a refusal to accept the the outcome of the
proposal, it was a reluctance to be dictated to by people who
weren't a part of the community. I'm afraid this will be
interpreted the same way, if we're proposing to just slap a
sitenotice on all the Wiktionaries telling them to discuss a new
logo. There needs to be community impetus for the change, so that
the meta discussion evolves out of actual community desire for a
new logo. We should start at places like en.wikt's
[[Wiktionary:Beer parlour]], fr.wikt's
[[Wiktionnaire:Wikidémie]], and es.wikt's [[Wikcionario:Café]],
not foundation-l.
I have to respectfully disagree that a proposal that will
affect
all these projects has to originate in thirty different places.
Since there is no central Wiktionary community, the Meta project,
and Foundation-l as well as Wiktionary-l (which was cross-posted)
is the place to get the discussion going.
While the English Wiktionary community may or may not be satisfied
with the logo as-is, in the interest of maintaining a visual
identity, one logo has to be used across projects, whether or not
the English Wiktionary wants it or not. The discussion has to get
started, no matter where it is, and meta and the two mailing lists
are, in fact, the appropriate place to start the discussion. I do
expect (and have asked) that links to that discussion are made from
those projects (and in the Central Notice as well)
I would find it sad if the English Wiktionary were to choose not to
involve itself in a process that will ultimately affect its
appearance; however, I don't anticipate this will actually be the
case.
Cary
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The Wiktionary projects should maintain a unique visual identity. It
is of the utmost importance that the identity be unique to Wiktionary,
but common among the projects.
Also, I want to point out: Guillaume Paumier did a great presentation
at Wikimania 2007 on Visual Identity here:
<http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proceedings:GP1>
The PDF linked has some well-researched information about Visual
Identity, and the workshop was extremely interesting.
Cary
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