First, proposed system will make user less likely to check what word mean in second/third language.
You mean they'll be able to find the information they're looking for more easily, and not be distracted by the information they're not looking for?
It make it more harder - for many languages definitions user will HAVE TO make an extra mouse click. Plus you can feed your curiosity about what word in question mean in other languages just by scrolling - without need for multiple mouse clicks.
It will also make user less likely to edit second third language definition, especially if languages belong to same family and user/editor speaks more then 2 languages.
If a user's going to edit information, they're going to edit information, whatever page it's on.
You seems to miss the point - if user don't see information/definition, he will never edit it. And there lots of editors, that fix or add definitions only when they use Wiktionary and see mistakes or missing information.
Also, that will make some comparisons of different languages definitions less convenient - now for words defined in two-three languages you can use scroll/mouse scroll. With proposed system, again, you have to click.
You mean you can click and bring up a new tab or window to see it side-by-side, instead of having to scroll back and forth each time you want to compare bits of information?
I mean what I said - with current system you have NO NEED to make an extra clicks at all if word defined using up to 3 or 4 languages - and there a LOT of words like that.
If you prefer multiple clicking over mouse scrolling - then current way don't have advantages over proposed one. On the other hand, proposed one don't advantages over current one either.
Really? On http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/a I get six screens of "Contents" to scroll through to see everything, and it's only got thirty languages and "Translingual" on it.
I use Wiktionary daily and look up lots of words different languages. I never had a problem finding definition using "Contents", and in fact in most cases I don't have to look/click contents menu. Simple scrolling is more then enough usually. And that is fun, from time to time, to check what word in question mean in weird languadge...
Sorry to hear you, Muke, have difficulties using/find it inconvinient to use Contents to find proper language definition. Is [[en:wikt:a]] article is a real word example? Like you come across lots of articles that got MULTIPLE screens of "Contents" menu? From my personal experience, I think I never saw one. I mean during usual, real life usage of Wiktionary. But it could be possible that we got very different search pattern behavior. If problem widespread and real, could you please provide few, like 5 or six examples of such words you expirienced in real life Wiktionary use? I really curiouse, what type of words will be that.
And, if that is the case, could it be possible that we could improve "Contents" menu itself, ruther then make an extra menu on top of the screen PLUS remove/destroy some functionality that is already there.
Vitaly, aka TestPilot, author of WikiLook (Firefox extantion, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7675)
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Muke Tever muke@frath.net wrote:
Vitaly V. dr.vitall@gmail.com wrote:
First, proposed system will make user less likely to check what word mean in second/third language.
You mean they'll be able to find the information they're looking for more easily, and not be distracted by the information they're not looking for?
It will also make user less likely to edit second third language definition, especially if languages belong to same family and user/editor speaks more then 2 languages.
If a user's going to edit information, they're going to edit information, whatever page it's on. I suspect, as well, that people who habitually edit two or more languages are used to finding the information for corresponding words on different pages; having them on the same page is merely a bonus (and increasingly less of a bonus on those future pages that may have entries for over a hundred languages on them).
Also, that will make some comparisons of different languages definitions less convenient - now for words defined in two-three languages you can use scroll/mouse scroll. With proposed system, again, you have to click.
You mean you can click and bring up a new tab or window to see it side-by-side, instead of having to scroll back and forth each time you want to compare bits of information? I don't know about your browser, but in mine it's _more_ convenient to open a link in a new tab than to duplicate one.
In terms of language selection convenience, we already got "Contents" menu with all languages clearly visible.
Really? On http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/a I get six screens of "Contents" to scroll through to see everything, and it's only got thirty languages and "Translingual" on it. (There's also a screen's worth of categories at the bottom to boot.) Even without adding more languages it'll be a lot less 'clearly visible' once more of the entries start progressing beyond the stub level and accumulate subheadings.
*Muke!
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