Wiktionary-l June 2005

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Re: [Wikitech-l] en.wiktionary.org temporarily broken
by Brion Vibber 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

Tomer Chachamu wrote: > On 30/06/05, Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com> wrote: >>Someone has changed the $wgCapitalLinks setting on en.wiktionary.org, >>causing many thousands of links to break without warning -- far too many >>for humans to fix up in a reasonable amount of time. >> >>I'm really, really, really annoyed about this, and I'd appreciate it if >>whoever made this premature change would at least confess to the deed. > > > I'm really, really sorry about this: I'm sure somebody announced it in > the IRC channel and thus knew who was responsible - but I've forgotten > who it was. It was Tim. He didn't announce the change (that I noticed, anyway) and forgot to log it in the administrator's log, then happened to be away from the computer for the next several hours. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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Icelandic - "Jökull/jökull"
by Sabine Cretella 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Hi, on the Italian wiktionary someone with only IP added the above term with a capital letter. The definition says that it means "ice" or is a person's name. Now I tried to check with is.wikipedia/is.wiktionary and I found out that indeed it is a persons name, but I cannot find a reference to its meaning of "ice". Anyway when it means "ice" doesn't it need the spelling "jökull" with a lower case "j"? I hope there's someone talking this language on the list, otherwise I'll just add the name and delete the rest. Sorry for crossposting, but since this is a seldom language chances are higher that someone can help me. Ciao Sabine ___________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.beta.messenger.yahoo.com

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Re: en.wiktionary.org temporarily broken
by Klaus-Eduard Runnel 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

On 6/30/05, Sabine Cretella <sabine_cretella(a)yahoo.it> wrote: > > Klaus-Eduard Runnel wrote: > > >Maybe someone can think of a way to create automatic links to pages with > >titles differing just by the case of the first letter? E.g. it would be > >helpful to have link to "aa" from the article titled "Aa". I have had no > >success trying to accomplish something like that using the available > means > >of mediawiki. That's by the way one of the reasons why not-yet-so-big > >Estonian wiktionary has not switched over to case-sensitivite first > letters > >yet. > > > >There could be use for a magic word similar to PAGENAMEE which would > return > >the page title with spaces substituted by '+' characters. > > > > > > > Hi Klaus, as much as I know there is a bot that can revert everything to > lower case (see the mails of Biron today). So creating all pages in > lower case should be possible without problems. Thanks Sabine. Well yes, conversion should not be a problem, and a bot could also add those see-also links we were thinking of, step-by-step. We just hoped we could temporarily display a message (possibly using MediaWiki:Sitenotice) suggesting the user to try the alternatives with the alternatives listed as direct links or giving a link to a query that would search for (all kinds of) alternatives. If you then need help to > have a look at the German words that often have capital initial letters > ... let me know. > > I noted you already use templates like {{-en-}} so I suppose the > category for German is there. We do not have much German words yet, so those can be dealed with manually. > Do you have a template list somewhere? We do not have a template guide, although it would be a good idea to have it. You can check the template list at Special:Allpages http://et.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Eri%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=10 . > Ciao, Sabine Tšau :), Klaus.

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en.wiktionary.org temporarily broken
by Brion Vibber 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Someone has changed the $wgCapitalLinks setting on en.wiktionary.org, causing many thousands of links to break without warning -- far too many for humans to fix up in a reasonable amount of time. I'm really, really, really annoyed about this, and I'd appreciate it if whoever made this premature change would at least confess to the deed. Right now I'm working on an automated script to fix up the links. This change should *not* have been made before this script was reaady. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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Language counts
by James R. Johnson 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

Is there any way to add some tag to the wiktionary so that we can get a count of the number of different languages we have on a wiktionary, and the number of words in each? For example: On EN: This wiktionary has: English: 50,345 words German: 4,211 words Japanese: 123 words Spanish: 422 words .. .. And so on. Is that somehow possible by adding a language tag, say [[lang:en]] and have the tags identified per wiktionary, so that en shows up as Inglés on Spanish, Englisch on German, etc.? Thanks, James

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Why do we have them??
by Gerard Meijssen 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

Ray Saintonge wrote: > Tim Starling wrote: > >> I think we can put the blame on our use of language code lists which are >> biased towards political rather than linguistic divisions. >> >> > An important observation. In Wiktionary I keep having to beat back > the argument that a wide assortment of conlangs are acceptable > because they have been granted a code. > > Ec > Hoi, Well actually, you are beating back the arrival of conlangs in the English wiktionary. It is most definetly not universally accepted that conlangs should not exist in a Wiktionary. When conlangs do not exist exept for their occurance in a Wiktionary, that is another matter. When the spelling of words is different according to where they are used, the words are definitly needed in both forms and they need to be in a Wiktionary. Papiamento for instance has two distinct ways of spelling. It would be stupid NOT to have both official spellings in a Wiktionary. So when a language code marks a different way of pronouncing or a different way of spelling, it has its place in Wiktionary. In Wikipedia you can say things like "both can speak and read their versions of a language" in a Wiktionary you represent the existing spelling of words and you are not involved in judging if a spelling is political correct or not. In Ultimate Wiktionary, we want to have it a user preference that will allow you to select what languages you want to add. The languages that will be allowed to start with will be the ones that have a language code. Within a language there will be room for distinct spellings. There will also be room for old spellings; this is particularly relevant for the Dutch language as it will have new spelling rules that will be published on October 15 and will be the official spelling from August 1 2006 onwards. Thanks, GerardM

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hello
by James R. Johnson 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

Hello everyone, I'm new to this list, so I hope I'll be able to contribute. I work mainly on the Anglo-Saxon wiktionary, which now has over 1000 entries! Thanks, James

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Export Dictionary?
by Brian Suda 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

I have been on this list awhile, when i originally joined i was interesting in the possibility of exporting the wiktionary data as .dict format. Now that the newest version of OSX 10.4 has a built-in dictionary that uses the dict:// to look-up words i was interested to see if anyone on the technicaly side would like to explore the possibility of either exporting the Wiktionary database as .dict format, or run a dictionary daemon that would access the wiktionary database server and return dict entries. It would be read-only, but it would be another interesting way to access the wiktionary besides the web interface. Does anyone on the tech list know if this is even possible? I'm not asking you to do it (i can write the export), i was wondering if there is some sort of database schema available to extract the data into dict format, or are the entries too fragmented to even attempt an export? -brian -- brian suda http://suda.co.uk

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Re: Licenses
by Jimmy Wales 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

Gerard Meijssen wrote: > I do ask the board: When the Ultimate Wiktionary is life, do we allow > all and any use of our data and do we allow at least other Open or Free > organisations to use the content of the UW in their applications without > restrictions ? I am very sorry, but I do not understand the question. I support that people should be able to freely use our data, but as per specific questions, I don't quite get what you are asking. --Jimbo

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The reason for not too many definitions on European wiktionaries
by Sabine Cretella 26 Jun '05

26 Jun '05

This question came into mind this morning since lately there were some discussions on this theme on the list (also on the wikipedia list really) - and there is quite an obvious reason. Instead of writing it only here in the list I wrote in on my blog as it is read by also other comunities. If you would like to know what I wrote, just klick here: http://sabinecretella.blogspot.com/ I am also adding the same text on my portal http://www.wesolveitnet.com Ciao, Sabine ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it

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