Wiktionary-l January 2005

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Request for Amis Wiktionary
by Pochung Chen 23 Jun '05

23 Jun '05

Dear All, We would like to open a Wiktionary for the Amis language. Amis is an Austronesian language used by the Amis -- one of the Austronesian people in Taiwan. The Amis account for about one third of Taiwan's indigenous population (i.e. 130 thousand), however, many of the younger generation do not speak the language and till now there is still no exact ststistic report of the number of real speakers. There are two prevailing writing systems of this language: the Presbyterian Church system and the International Phonetic Symbol system, the later is used only within the academic circle. We would like to edit a Wiktionary which basically employs the Presbyterian Church system but also notes the IPS so that readers can also know the exact pronounciations. At this moment there are at least three people who are willing to commit to this project. They are Nakao Eki, Afah Lisin, and Tai-ni Tsou. The former two are native speakers and the later two as ethnographers are also familiar with the academic Amis writing system. Pektiong Tan (zh-min-nan:pektiong) will help those people to get familiar with the wikipedia system. We would prefer to set the default interface language to be Mandarin with traditional character used in Taiwan (zh-tw) since most of the potential user of this wiktionary can read Mandarin with traditional character. Proposed domain name: http://amis.wiktionary.org/ Language tag for Amis: ISO 639-2: N.A. ISO 639-3 (Draft): Ami SIL: ALV RFC-3066: i-ami Sincerely, Nakao Eki, Afah Lisin, Tai-ni Tsou, Pektiong Tan Some info about Taiwanese aborigine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_aborigine

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Re: [Wiktionary-l] GEMET and Wikipedia - The Pizza Connection ;o)...
by ALBatro 22 Jun '05

22 Jun '05

Stefan Jensen wrote: >Good morning Sabine and everybody, >Great to see more people joining into the communication. I am not a frequent user of the Wicki discussion tools which Gerhard proposes to use for this but I'll try to move things over to there. (And I see Bernard is already using it). > Dear Stefan, really nice to "cybermeet" ;o) you and the others in this Wiki/EEA ring... The merit or the blame - you'll see later... - is to be put on that German Vesuvio ;o) who's definitely SabiNet... We recently got in touch in a list of discussion - LANGIT - I quitted very fast, for some reasons, after launching a project, RL - RAPTVS LINGVÆ, which she was the only replier to. As soon as Sabine has got some time to explain to me where and how to effectively start to work in/for Wiki world with the support of EEA (even if at present I'm already doing/studying really several things, and would need paid work, I'll be glad to play actually my part, also owing to its being a good reference on the whole and it will let me learn. My mother tongue is Italian, which I studied also at the university; moreover I worked as a professional proofreader and editor for ten years and am an author. As for Chinese at least - I can't assure you nothing - but I'm in high touch with some Chinese linguists (two women) who know English and are interested in Italian too. They have a sort of translation agency on the net and I created and moderate an Itlaian subforum on their Chinese website. Enough & maybe too much?, for the time being... ALBatro. Carme diem, ALBatro. __________________________________________________________ Alberto L. Beretta, FIRCA (Freelance Italian Relations & Communications Assistant). Italian proofreading - editing - composition - voiceovers - translations escorting - research - other. (www.carmediem.it, under refurbishment until 27 Aug.) - info(a)carmediem.it. Email a.l.beretta(a)virgilio.it, fax on request, (+39) 02 57501442, home office/study (+39) 338 3524079 (mobile), Via Pavese 137, 20089 Rozzano (Milan), Italy (EU).

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About language names
by Gerard Meijssen 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

Hoi, When we indicate languages in interwiki links, we write the names of those languages as it is written in that language. So we get English, Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語 etc. I think it is a nice feature. Some languages however are not written as they are written in that language, think italiano, français or sicilianu. Basically, this is wrong. The only reason I can think of why you want this, is for "esthetic" reasons. These however take not into account the sensibilities that are often associated with language names. Thanks, GerardM

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Re: [Foundation-l] Re: Swedish, Spanish, French Wikinews set up
by Gerard Meijssen 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

Erik Moeller wrote:. > ..... Aside from that, I am still skeptical that Wiktionary is at all > feasible with the current software .... This is as they say in Holland "een schot voor open doel"; on opportunity to good to miss. You may know that I am advocating the spend of money and energy to produce "the ultimate wiktionary" (see the article on Meta) in essence this is a relational database embedded in mediawiki that serves us with wiktionary content. One database to serve us all .... At this moment we are starting to use some bots in earnest. One bot doing the interwiki.py (see the article on Meta) is running now for its fourth day on the en:wiktionary and reached the word "Effort". It is doing something that will be a funcionality of the proposed database. Another bot is running on scn:wiktionary adding a word a minute, it has something like 60.000 words and giving the ambitions of all wiktionaries it should run on all wiktionaries. When it was adding content into the "ultimate wiktionary" it would need to run only once. I have a file with 19.930 words that I can use to create articles for many wiktionaries. It is a multiple of articles that are needed to seed all the different wiktionaries and, it can be done but it just takes a LOONGGG time and it is not really good because as content is added, the work done by the interwiki.py should be done again as it may lead to different results. Another big blob of content waiting to happen is the GEMET thesaurus (see article on Me*ta) and the European multilingual thesaurus on health promotion (see article on Meta). <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_multilingual_thesaurus_on_health_pr…>* So, Eric is right where he says that working on our current wiktionary using the current software is a debatable practice. It is as good as it gets though. Luckily we do have this idea of something better. This is what makes us go on, (this is the moment where you hear the song "somewhere over the rainbow" with conotations of a pot of gold).. :) Thanks, GerardM

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Recurring vandalism on en.wiktionary.org
by cookfire 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

Recurring vandalism on en.wiktionary.org Who can I address this to, so it can get resolved? I believe we have one person who already created three user accounts to come and vandalize Wiktionary with his disgusting goatse.cx image (I'm sorry I have to bring that up again. He does other stuff as well, which we can easily turn back, but these images are over the top). Is there a possibility to find out from which IP-addresses this person is coming and to block him that way? Since he creates user accounts, all we can do is to ban him, which is utterly ineffective since he can easily create another user account. I don't think there is a way for a moderator to find out what the IP address is that a logged in user is coming from, or is there? This is usually not necessary. If you do investigate it, maybe it's a good idea to check whether he is active on other Wikimedia projects as well. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Vandalism_in_progress http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Mar… <http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Mar…> http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=MyP… <http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=MyP…> http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Jan… <http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Jan…> (apparently all he did as this user was deleted again) I hope a solution for this problem can be found. Thank you Polyglot <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polyglot> 08:18, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC) Thanks for looking in to it. I think http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Bul… <http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Bul…> can be added to the list of accounts this guy created. Polyglot <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polyglot> 10:31, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC) James, somebody managed to create a user by the name of _: http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=%C2… <http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=%C2…> What can we do about this? I'm pretty sure you are not the person to bother about this. Is there somebody else I can approach, when something like this occurs? Polyglot <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polyglot> 10:16, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC) We have a vandal, who seems to be intimately familiar with how the wiki software works: http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=%C2… <http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=%C2…> He creates user accounts we cannot block and pages we cannot delete: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/%C2%AD Is the English Wiktionary the only place where this lowlife operates? What can we do about it? Who can we contact abou this? Thanks for an answer. Polyglot <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polyglot> 16:22, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Skype
by Gerard Meijssen 21 Jan '05

21 Jan '05

Hoi, Sorry to bother you with this; many wikimedians use skype for Voice over IP (internet telephony) it is great software. It is really cool to be able to speak to someone in Australia and it costing nothing. Anyway, there is a new version for both the Macintosh and the Windows platform. The quality of service has improved. If you already use skype, look under help and check if there is a newer version. If you do not have skype, give it a spin. It is cool. Thanks, GerardM skype: gerardmeijssen

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portal
by Gerard Meijssen 20 Jan '05

20 Jan '05

Hoi, Following the great example of wikipedia, wiktionary now knows a portal too. It can already be found on www.wiktionary.org and I have asked Tim Starling if he would be so kind to change wiktioanry.org as well. So we are now all in a scramble to go to the next level so that the visibility of "our" wiktionary will be a bit better ?? I hope that we will continue to have fun and be pleased that the international character of wiktionary is better shown.

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portal page
by Gerard Meijssen 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

Hoi, For wikipedia they changed www.wikipedia.org to become a portal to show that wikipedia is a project in many languages. This is to show that wikipedia is not only English as many people think. The same is true for the wiktionary; there are many wiktionaries and, in the same manner as we have with wikipedia I propose to have wiktionary.org point to the page that can be found on META http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wiktionary.org_portal It took the wikipedia crowd two years to get to the point and change things. I expect that people will have the same arguments why they think wiktionary means en:wiktionary. However, wiktionary is much less known than wikipedia and, the other wiktionaries like pl: with over 28.000+ and gl: with 11.000+ prove that en: with 52.000+ is not the only kid on the block.There are also 9 others in between 1.000+ and 10.000- who emphasize the point. So I hope that we can agree to have a similar portal for wiktionary as we have for wikipedia. Thanks, GerardM

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12 Jan '05

Now that Wiktionary 1.4 is settling in, thought I would bring up an issue thats been on the en:Beer parlor for a while, which may benefit from some ideas from other wikt's. Plus it would take a sysop, {{sofixit}} isn't an option ;) Here it is: Its fairly common that we find copyright infringing articles. I hypothesize this is not someone trying to poison Wiktionary, but is due to ignorance. If you are like me, you've read it once and then forget that it says the following at the buttom of every edit page: You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION! Really I think this assumes the reader understands copyright as well as understands what folks in the Free Software movement consider to be 'free'. I mean, dictionary.com is free as in beer, but it isn't 'similar free' which is kind of expecting a bit from Joe User. The paragraph previous to that already gets the legal crap over with by stating you are releasing under the GFDL, I don't think we need to cover every case. It should talk to the anonymous junior high student who sees noctilucent doesn't have a definition. I'm not claiming to be a great wordsmith, but here is a try: All definitions must be written by yourself or borrowed from a public domain resource. Do not use content from copyrighted resources such as dictionary.com. I think dictionary.com is the biggest culprit, so naming it specifically will be helpful. Also its a good example of what a copyrighted resource is. We could also throw on something nice to it, like 'we want to know what you think' or 'we apperciate your input'. I'm not sure how to put it. Just to be nice and to reiterate the 'your'. --- There wasn't any further discussion of it, though Eclecticology stated his belief in their being legal gray area around copyrights on dictionaries. Any ideas?

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Greek pages disappearing
by Muke Tever 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Pages with Greek titles, that used to exist and are still listed in [[special:allpages]], are coming up empty on load, and the wiki is marking links to them as red. I have seen this happening on la: and more intermittently on en: -- is this happening anywhere else, and is there a cause for it? *Muke! -- website: http://frath.net/ LiveJournal: http://kohath.livejournal.com/ deviantArt: http://kohath.deviantart.com/ FrathWiki, a conlang and conculture wiki: http://wiki.frath.net/

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