Wiktionary-l June 2004

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Random stuff to add to Wiktionary
by Timwi 10 Jun '04

10 Jun '04

Hi, I meant to post this here a long time ago, but I never got around to it. Before Wiktionary existed, I had made a website called "Languages in Languages" where people could enter the names of all languages in all other languages. It is far from complete, but I'm pretty sure that you can find stuff there that isn't already in Wiktionary. By now I'm pretty fed up with this site, and Wiktionary is way better anyway, so I'm asking you to go through the data and integrate it all into Wiktionary. http://timwi.dyndns.org:8989/cgi-bin/a.cgi Please notice, however, that this URL only works when my computer is online (and I'm in England, so if you're in the US you'd have to try it early in the day). If you want the entire data on one page, you can have it here: WARNING: 2.4 MB FILE ! http://timwi.dyndns.org:8989/cgi-bin/a.cgi?r=l WARNING: 2.4 MB FILE ! Once you are sure that you have taken all the information into Wiktionary, let me know, so I can finally take this thing down :) Greetings, Timwi

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The wiki software is written for wikipedia
by Gerard.Meijssen 10 Jun '04

10 Jun '04

LS, When I follow what has happened the last few days, I can not help but come to the conclusion that things are done with wikipedia in mind. Take for instance those lines that are "gratis" when you use headings. They make excellent sense when in Wikipedia but they look _horrible_ in wiktionary. Have a look at http://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/Breton for instance. It does not look good. Take a look at the restriction on the number of messages (5) per page. This is "reasonable" in wikipedia, but when you want to internationalise a page and use messages to indicate things that differ from language to language, like the gender of a word, you can have dozens words that are masculine and you get garbage as a result. When there are problems, they seem to be relatively quickly fixed for the wikipedia's but, for the wiktionaries the consistency is lacking. When you have an environment like wiktionary/wikipedia they _need_ to be the same in order to be able to fix things and understand the behaviour of the software. The wiktionaries do not behave in a same way. You can create an article with a Chinese (characters) name in English but not on the nl:wiktionary (and others). We have just had a major disaster. What I expected in the aftermath was some consolidation. However, now the "Enhanced recent changes (not for all browsers)" in preferences is up the creek!! What concerns me is that for us "simple" users there is no idea what problems are being tacled. What the priorities are and if things still get tested prior to production. *Is the idea that we have stabilized?? *Do we still have database problems? (anecdotal evidence says we do) *Is there a moratorium on minor stuff so that there is the peace and quiet to fix the major stuff? Sorry for being difficult, GerardM

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Re: Reworked css & other problems
by Tomasz Sienicki 09 Jun '04

09 Jun '04

Gabriel Wicke wrote: > I've just committed some major changes: I don't know if there's a connection here, but this afternoon 'Enchanced recent changes' stopped working for me (I can't open the lists of changes that are groupped together). Checked in Firefox and Konqueror. While I am at it, some feedback from pl.wiktionary.org: * editing MediaWiki:monobook.css doesn't seem to have any effect (I tried 'a {text-decoration: none;}'). It works in user/css though * interwiki links Wiktionary -> Wikipedia ([[w:this sort]]) are broken again: they point to www.wikipedia.org instead of the national Wikipedia * the Template: namespace (Szablon:) doesn't exist (?). Sometimes {{text}} results in the same as [[text]], sometimes it results in displaying 'text.29">' * limiting {{messages}} to five occurences per page is a bad idea in case of Wiktionaries, where entries need to follow specific patterns in a much higher degree than on Wikipedias -- tsca * Tomasz Sienicki

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Technical problems on nl:wiktionary
by Gerard.Meijssen 09 Jun '04

09 Jun '04

LS, On the nl:wiktionary, we use the message {{m}} a lot. It is used to indicate the gender of a word. With words like Engels (English) we have many translations that require a gender indication. This used to work fine, now however, from the fifth onwards it does not produce the text that is in the message ''m'', but it gives us a [[Sjabloon:M]] which is plain wrong. Any suggestions why and what can be done ?? Thanks, GerardM

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PayPal update
by Daniel Mayer 07 Jun '04

07 Jun '04

U.S. Dollar (Primary): $4,330.40 USD Canadian Dollar: $195.05 CAD Euro: �1,646.27 EUR Pound Sterling: �560.10 GBP Yen: �5,239 JPY Current Total in U.S. Dollars: $7501.42 USD Total of of 28 May 2004: $4662.08 USD Difference: $2839.24 USD Also, could a developer include a donations link at the end of the 'Database is read only ...' message? That should increase the donation rate. -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

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Lost articles on nl:wiktionary
by Gerard.Meijssen 06 Jun '04

06 Jun '04

Some more research: *I can now make an article in the Chinese language *Articles with a ? in the title I cannot rename. (I am moderator) *Many messages are lost to me. (not all) the lost messages start and end with a "-". Is there a backup to remedy things?? Thanks, GerardM

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Nl.wiktionary
by Gerard.Meijssen 06 Jun '04

06 Jun '04

Yesterday evening, we have been converted to the new software. I was hopefull that the conversion would also solve the problem we have with non alphabetical characters. Now, this situation is worse as characters like äëïöü àéèêç are not even shown in the bodies of the text as they were not shown in the titles of articles. Could someone have a looksee what is amiss ?? Thanks, GerardM

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