// apologies for cross-posting
Hello!
A new type of preview will soon be part of the MediaWiki software: Reference Previews.[1] This feature shows you a reference in a small pop-up when you hover over the reference number in square brackets. This way, you can look up a reference without jumping down to the bottom of the page.
What’s more is that Reference Previews can offer a quicker way to evaluate the trustworthiness of the cited source by displaying the reference type (book, web, news, journal, note) in the pop-up’s header. Thus, they can help increase trust in the article itself. These types can be applied by using citation templates, or by manually entering a class into the ref tag.
Reference Previews will be combined with Page Previews[2], a feature showing previews for linked articles. Both perform essentially the same function: previewing content before deciding to dig deeper, and easily providing more information while reading. Because of their similarities in design and behavior, both Page Previews and Reference Previews will be controlled by a single user setting. This means, all users who currently have Page Previews activated, will also get Reference Previews. Also, all readers, anonymous contributors and new users will see Reference Previews per default if they haven’t disabled Page Previews.
On several wikis, the Navigation-Popups gadget and the Reference Tooltips gadget already offer previews for references. If you want to use them instead, you can: If you have one of these gadgets enabled, you’ll see them instead of Reference Previews. Although these gadgets exist, this feature was built into a MediaWiki extension in order to make it available for all Wikipedias, just as Page Previews is.
The original request for this came from the Technical Wishes survey on German Wikipedia in 2017, where it was the number 1 wish. The Technical Wishes team from Wikimedia Germany has been working on it in cooperation with the WMF’s Reading Web team. Reference Previews have been a beta feature for several months on all Wikipedias and some other wikis, with more than 830,000 beta testers. During the beta phase, lots of feedback was collected, and several changes were made as a result.[3] Now, we plan to deploy it to a first group of wikis as a default feature on March 17. We’re still looking for wikis who want to have the default feature early, so if you’re interested, please let us know! [4] [5]
More information about this feature, including frequently asked questions, can be found on its project page on Meta. [1] A big thanks to everyone who contributed to this development, by voting, testing, giving feedback or else. Comments and questions are welcome on this talk page. [4]
Best,
Johanna
[1] Reference Previews: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/ReferencePreviews [2] Page Previews: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_Previews [3] Changes during the beta phase: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/ReferencePreviews#Beta... [4] talk page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WMDE_Technical_Wishes/ReferencePreviews [5] Phab: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T271206
בתאריך יום ד׳, 3 במרץ 2021 ב-11:44 מאת Johanna Strodt < johanna.strodt@wikimedia.de>:
Reference Previews will be combined with Page Previews[2], a feature showing previews for linked articles. Both perform essentially the same function: previewing content before deciding to dig deeper, and easily providing more information while reading. Because of their similarities in design and behavior, both Page Previews and Reference Previews will be controlled by a single user setting. This means, all users who currently have Page Previews activated, will also get Reference Previews. Also, all readers, anonymous contributors and new users will see Reference Previews per default if they haven’t disabled Page Previews.
What can people do if they want to see Reference Previews, but not Page Previews?
If an editor currently has the Reference Previews beta feature enabled and the Page Previews (Popups) feature disabled, will they get both enabled or both disabled after the deployment of the combined feature?
Thanks, Amir!
*What can people do if they want to see Reference Previews, but not Page Previews?* Currently, nothing. The plan is to offer both features in combination. As for this shared setting, we received different feedback: Some wanted a combined setting to keep the number of user settings small, others wanted a separate setting. For now, we have decided to go with a shared setting.
*If an editor currently has the Reference Previews beta feature enabled and the Page Previews (Popups) feature disabled, will they get both enabled or both disabled after the deployment of the combined feature?* The Page Previews user preferences will be respected. In a scenario where a user has Page Previews disabled, Reference Previews will also be disabled.
Best, Johanna
Am Mi., 3. März 2021 um 11:31 Uhr schrieb Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>:
בתאריך יום ד׳, 3 במרץ 2021 ב-11:44 מאת Johanna Strodt < johanna.strodt@wikimedia.de>:
Reference Previews will be combined with Page Previews[2], a feature showing previews for linked articles. Both perform essentially the same function: previewing content before deciding to dig deeper, and easily providing more information while reading. Because of their similarities in design and behavior, both Page Previews and Reference Previews will be controlled by a single user setting. This means, all users who currently have Page Previews activated, will also get Reference Previews. Also, all readers, anonymous contributors and new users will see Reference Previews per default if they haven’t disabled Page Previews.
What can people do if they want to see Reference Previews, but not Page Previews?
If an editor currently has the Reference Previews beta feature enabled and the Page Previews (Popups) feature disabled, will they get both enabled or both disabled after the deployment of the combined feature? _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
What about grouping them, with specific hidden options by default?
That is if you opt out the group, both are disabled. If you enable the group, you gain the possibility to unfold subcases.
Also if at some point the list become really too long, you might consider an option search filter. Actually, given that we have already more options on several tabs than what can be displayed on a confortable desktop screen, I think this length limit was already crossed a long time ago.
Cheers
Le 03/03/2021 à 12:47, Johanna Strodt a écrit :
Thanks, Amir! / / /What can people do if they want to see Reference Previews, but not Page Previews? / Currently, nothing. The plan is to offer both features in combination. As for this shared setting, we received different feedback: Some wanted a combined setting to keep the number of user settings small, others wanted a separate setting. For now, we have decided to go with a shared setting.
/If an editor currently has the Reference Previews beta feature enabled and the Page Previews (Popups) feature disabled, will they get both enabled or both disabled after the deployment of the combined feature?/ The Page Previews user preferences will be respected. In a scenario where a user has Page Previews disabled, Reference Previews will also be disabled.
Best, Johanna
Am Mi., 3. März 2021 um 11:31 Uhr schrieb Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il mailto:amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>:
בתאריך יום ד׳, 3 במרץ 2021 ב-11:44 מאת Johanna Strodt <johanna.strodt@wikimedia.de <mailto:johanna.strodt@wikimedia.de>>: Reference Previews will be combined with Page Previews[2], a feature showing previews for linked articles. Both perform essentially the same function: previewing content before deciding to dig deeper, and easily providing more information while reading. Because of their similarities in design and behavior, both Page Previews and Reference Previews will be controlled by a single user setting. This means, all users who currently have Page Previews activated, will also get Reference Previews. Also, all readers, anonymous contributors and new users will see Reference Previews per default if they haven’t disabled Page Previews. What can people do if they want to see Reference Previews, but not Page Previews? If an editor currently has the Reference Previews beta feature enabled and the Page Previews (Popups) feature disabled, will they get both enabled or both disabled after the deployment of the combined feature? _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l>-- Johanna Strodt Projektmanagerin Kommunikation Communitys Technische Wunschliste
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Hello Mathieu,
we have received feedback in both directions, both to have a shared setting and to have separate ones. We would like to start with a shared setting to see how users actually react.
Best, Johanna
Am Mi., 3. März 2021 um 23:47 Uhr schrieb Mathieu Lovato Stumpf Guntz < psychoslave@culture-libre.org>:
What about grouping them, with specific hidden options by default?
That is if you opt out the group, both are disabled. If you enable the group, you gain the possibility to unfold subcases.
Also if at some point the list become really too long, you might consider an option search filter. Actually, given that we have already more options on several tabs than what can be displayed on a confortable desktop screen, I think this length limit was already crossed a long time ago.
Cheers Le 03/03/2021 à 12:47, Johanna Strodt a écrit :
Thanks, Amir!
*What can people do if they want to see Reference Previews, but not Page Previews? * Currently, nothing. The plan is to offer both features in combination. As for this shared setting, we received different feedback: Some wanted a combined setting to keep the number of user settings small, others wanted a separate setting. For now, we have decided to go with a shared setting.
*If an editor currently has the Reference Previews beta feature enabled and the Page Previews (Popups) feature disabled, will they get both enabled or both disabled after the deployment of the combined feature?* The Page Previews user preferences will be respected. In a scenario where a user has Page Previews disabled, Reference Previews will also be disabled.
Best, Johanna
Am Mi., 3. März 2021 um 11:31 Uhr schrieb Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>:
בתאריך יום ד׳, 3 במרץ 2021 ב-11:44 מאת Johanna Strodt < johanna.strodt@wikimedia.de>:
Reference Previews will be combined with Page Previews[2], a feature showing previews for linked articles. Both perform essentially the same function: previewing content before deciding to dig deeper, and easily providing more information while reading. Because of their similarities in design and behavior, both Page Previews and Reference Previews will be controlled by a single user setting. This means, all users who currently have Page Previews activated, will also get Reference Previews. Also, all readers, anonymous contributors and new users will see Reference Previews per default if they haven’t disabled Page Previews.
What can people do if they want to see Reference Previews, but not Page Previews?
If an editor currently has the Reference Previews beta feature enabled and the Page Previews (Popups) feature disabled, will they get both enabled or both disabled after the deployment of the combined feature? _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Why did you decide to do it like this despite requests from multiple people to keep them separated?
What are the advantages of unifying them, and why do you think they outweigh the disadvantages?
What kind of user reaction can make you change your mind—user complaints, a certain rate of disabling the preference, something else?
בתאריך יום ה׳, 11 במרץ 2021, 18:51, מאת Johanna Strodt < johanna.strodt@wikimedia.de>:
Hello Mathieu,
we have received feedback in both directions, both to have a shared setting and to have separate ones. We would like to start with a shared setting to see how users actually react.
Best, Johanna
Am Mi., 3. März 2021 um 23:47 Uhr schrieb Mathieu Lovato Stumpf Guntz < psychoslave@culture-libre.org>:
What about grouping them, with specific hidden options by default?
That is if you opt out the group, both are disabled. If you enable the group, you gain the possibility to unfold subcases.
Also if at some point the list become really too long, you might consider an option search filter. Actually, given that we have already more options on several tabs than what can be displayed on a confortable desktop screen, I think this length limit was already crossed a long time ago.
Cheers Le 03/03/2021 à 12:47, Johanna Strodt a écrit :
Thanks, Amir!
*What can people do if they want to see Reference Previews, but not Page Previews? * Currently, nothing. The plan is to offer both features in combination. As for this shared setting, we received different feedback: Some wanted a combined setting to keep the number of user settings small, others wanted a separate setting. For now, we have decided to go with a shared setting.
*If an editor currently has the Reference Previews beta feature enabled and the Page Previews (Popups) feature disabled, will they get both enabled or both disabled after the deployment of the combined feature?* The Page Previews user preferences will be respected. In a scenario where a user has Page Previews disabled, Reference Previews will also be disabled.
Best, Johanna
Am Mi., 3. März 2021 um 11:31 Uhr schrieb Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>:
בתאריך יום ד׳, 3 במרץ 2021 ב-11:44 מאת Johanna Strodt < johanna.strodt@wikimedia.de>:
Reference Previews will be combined with Page Previews[2], a feature showing previews for linked articles. Both perform essentially the same function: previewing content before deciding to dig deeper, and easily providing more information while reading. Because of their similarities in design and behavior, both Page Previews and Reference Previews will be controlled by a single user setting. This means, all users who currently have Page Previews activated, will also get Reference Previews. Also, all readers, anonymous contributors and new users will see Reference Previews per default if they haven’t disabled Page Previews.
What can people do if they want to see Reference Previews, but not Page Previews?
If an editor currently has the Reference Previews beta feature enabled and the Page Previews (Popups) feature disabled, will they get both enabled or both disabled after the deployment of the combined feature? _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Hello Amir, thanks for your questions. Having discussed this back and forth in the team, our original plan was to deploy to a few wikis first to find out how many users actually don't want a shared setting. But thanks to, among other things, the feedback we received over the last announcement, we have now come to the conclusion that separate settings make more sense. That also means, Reference Previews won't go out of beta just yet, but hopefully next month.
@all: If you like the idea of having Reference Previews with a separate setting as a default feature on your wiki, please let me know. Having a few more wikis for this first step would be great.
Am Di., 16. März 2021 um 12:58 Uhr schrieb Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>:
Why did you decide to do it like this despite requests from multiple people to keep them separated?
What are the advantages of unifying them, and why do you think they outweigh the disadvantages?
What kind of user reaction can make you change your mind—user complaints, a certain rate of disabling the preference, something else?
בתאריך יום ה׳, 11 במרץ 2021, 18:51, מאת Johanna Strodt < johanna.strodt@wikimedia.de>:
Hello Mathieu,
we have received feedback in both directions, both to have a shared setting and to have separate ones. We would like to start with a shared setting to see how users actually react.
Best, Johanna
Am Mi., 3. März 2021 um 23:47 Uhr schrieb Mathieu Lovato Stumpf Guntz < psychoslave@culture-libre.org>:
What about grouping them, with specific hidden options by default?
That is if you opt out the group, both are disabled. If you enable the group, you gain the possibility to unfold subcases.
Also if at some point the list become really too long, you might consider an option search filter. Actually, given that we have already more options on several tabs than what can be displayed on a confortable desktop screen, I think this length limit was already crossed a long time ago.
Cheers Le 03/03/2021 à 12:47, Johanna Strodt a écrit :
Thanks, Amir!
*What can people do if they want to see Reference Previews, but not Page Previews? * Currently, nothing. The plan is to offer both features in combination. As for this shared setting, we received different feedback: Some wanted a combined setting to keep the number of user settings small, others wanted a separate setting. For now, we have decided to go with a shared setting.
*If an editor currently has the Reference Previews beta feature enabled and the Page Previews (Popups) feature disabled, will they get both enabled or both disabled after the deployment of the combined feature?* The Page Previews user preferences will be respected. In a scenario where a user has Page Previews disabled, Reference Previews will also be disabled.
Best, Johanna
Am Mi., 3. März 2021 um 11:31 Uhr schrieb Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>:
בתאריך יום ד׳, 3 במרץ 2021 ב-11:44 מאת Johanna Strodt < johanna.strodt@wikimedia.de>:
Reference Previews will be combined with Page Previews[2], a feature showing previews for linked articles. Both perform essentially the same function: previewing content before deciding to dig deeper, and easily providing more information while reading. Because of their similarities in design and behavior, both Page Previews and Reference Previews will be controlled by a single user setting. This means, all users who currently have Page Previews activated, will also get Reference Previews. Also, all readers, anonymous contributors and new users will see Reference Previews per default if they haven’t disabled Page Previews.
What can people do if they want to see Reference Previews, but not Page Previews?
If an editor currently has the Reference Previews beta feature enabled and the Page Previews (Popups) feature disabled, will they get both enabled or both disabled after the deployment of the combined feature? _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Hi Johanna,
since 2019 the Math extension is prepared to offer popups for mathemaical formulae as well. Therefore I think it would be good to design the settings dialog in a way that different kinds of popups can be selected. I could imagine that in the future more extensions would like to offer popups.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T208758
All the best Moritz
On Wed, 17 Mar 2021, 10:16 Johanna Strodt, johanna.strodt@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hello Amir, thanks for your questions. Having discussed this back and forth in the team, our original plan was to deploy to a few wikis first to find out how many users actually don't want a shared setting. But thanks to, among other things, the feedback we received over the last announcement, we have now come to the conclusion that separate settings make more sense. That also means, Reference Previews won't go out of beta just yet, but hopefully next month.
@all: If you like the idea of having Reference Previews with a separate setting as a default feature on your wiki, please let me know. Having a few more wikis for this first step would be great.
Am Di., 16. März 2021 um 12:58 Uhr schrieb Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>:
Why did you decide to do it like this despite requests from multiple people to keep them separated?
What are the advantages of unifying them, and why do you think they outweigh the disadvantages?
What kind of user reaction can make you change your mind—user complaints, a certain rate of disabling the preference, something else?
בתאריך יום ה׳, 11 במרץ 2021, 18:51, מאת Johanna Strodt < johanna.strodt@wikimedia.de>:
Hello Mathieu,
we have received feedback in both directions, both to have a shared setting and to have separate ones. We would like to start with a shared setting to see how users actually react.
Best, Johanna
Am Mi., 3. März 2021 um 23:47 Uhr schrieb Mathieu Lovato Stumpf Guntz < psychoslave@culture-libre.org>:
What about grouping them, with specific hidden options by default?
That is if you opt out the group, both are disabled. If you enable the group, you gain the possibility to unfold subcases.
Also if at some point the list become really too long, you might consider an option search filter. Actually, given that we have already more options on several tabs than what can be displayed on a confortable desktop screen, I think this length limit was already crossed a long time ago.
Cheers Le 03/03/2021 à 12:47, Johanna Strodt a écrit :
Thanks, Amir!
*What can people do if they want to see Reference Previews, but not Page Previews? * Currently, nothing. The plan is to offer both features in combination. As for this shared setting, we received different feedback: Some wanted a combined setting to keep the number of user settings small, others wanted a separate setting. For now, we have decided to go with a shared setting.
*If an editor currently has the Reference Previews beta feature enabled and the Page Previews (Popups) feature disabled, will they get both enabled or both disabled after the deployment of the combined feature?* The Page Previews user preferences will be respected. In a scenario where a user has Page Previews disabled, Reference Previews will also be disabled.
Best, Johanna
Am Mi., 3. März 2021 um 11:31 Uhr schrieb Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>:
בתאריך יום ד׳, 3 במרץ 2021 ב-11:44 מאת Johanna Strodt < johanna.strodt@wikimedia.de>:
Reference Previews will be combined with Page Previews[2], a feature showing previews for linked articles. Both perform essentially the same function: previewing content before deciding to dig deeper, and easily providing more information while reading. Because of their similarities in design and behavior, both Page Previews and Reference Previews will be controlled by a single user setting. This means, all users who currently have Page Previews activated, will also get Reference Previews. Also, all readers, anonymous contributors and new users will see Reference Previews per default if they haven’t disabled Page Previews.
What can people do if they want to see Reference Previews, but not Page Previews?
If an editor currently has the Reference Previews beta feature enabled and the Page Previews (Popups) feature disabled, will they get both enabled or both disabled after the deployment of the combined feature? _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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בתאריך יום ד׳, 17 במרץ 2021, 11:16, מאת Johanna Strodt < johanna.strodt@wikimedia.de>:
Hello Amir, thanks for your questions. Having discussed this back and forth in the team, our original plan was to deploy to a few wikis first to find out how many users actually don't want a shared setting. But thanks to, among other things, the feedback we received over the last announcement, we have now come to the conclusion that separate settings make more sense.
Thank you!
That also means, Reference Previews won't go out of beta just yet, but
hopefully next month.
@all: If you like the idea of having Reference Previews with a separate setting as a default feature on your wiki, please let me know. Having a few more wikis for this first step would be great.
Can you please define the details of what does this mean? My guess is: * "Reference Previews" will move from the "Beta features" tab in the preferences to the "Reading preferences" section in the "Appearance" tab. * "Enable page previews" and "Enable reference Previews" will both be on by default for logged-out users and new accounts. * Existing accounts who disabled the Reference Previews beta feature will have the reference previews disabled. * Logged-out users will be able to disable each feature and this selection will be saved in a cookie. * If the preference is enabled, but the user also has the corresponding gadget enabled, the gadget will be shown, and the feature from the extension will not be shown.
Is this indeed the plan?
Hi Amir,
Can you please define the details of what does this mean? My guess is:
- "Reference Previews" will move from the "Beta features" tab in the
preferences to the "Reading preferences" section in the "Appearance" tab.
--> Correct.
- "Enable page previews" and "Enable reference Previews" will both be on
by default for logged-out users and new accounts.
--> Correct.
- Existing accounts who disabled the Reference Previews beta feature will
have the reference previews disabled.
--> We're currently discussing this. Reference Previews will probably be visible to everyone who doesn't use Reference Tooltips or Navigation Popups. But it will be easy to opt out via a cog wheel inside the pop-up.
- Logged-out users will be able to disable each feature and this selection
will be saved in a cookie.
--> Correct.
- If the preference is enabled, but the user also has the corresponding
gadget enabled, the gadget will be shown, and the feature from the extension will not be shown.
--> Correct.
I will update the project page in the course of this week to reflect these changes.
Hope that helps, Johanna
Hello, here is an update on the deployment of Reference Previews:
* As you may have noticed, Reference Previews [1] were not deployed in March, as was originally planned. The deployment as a default feature is planned for May 5 on a group of wikis [2]. More wikis will follow over the course of the year.
* The decision to have a combined setting for Reference Previews and Page Previews was revisited, so you will be able to toggle both types of previews on and off independently. That change has now been implemented, along with a few other fixes for reported issues. * Reference Previews will become opt-out for all users, both logged in and logged out [3]. (As before, if you're using the gadgets Reference Tootips or Navigation Popups to see popups for references, you won't see Reference Previews.)
If you have any feedback or questions, please let me know on the project’s talk page. [4]
For WMDE’s Technical Wishes team
Johanna
[1] project page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/ReferencePreviews
[2] wikis for first round of default deployment: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/ReferencePreviews#Stat...
[3] opt-out feature: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/ReferencePreviews#Opt-...
[4] talk page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WMDE_Technical_Wishes/ReferencePreviews
Am Mi., 3. März 2021 um 10:43 Uhr schrieb Johanna Strodt < johanna.strodt@wikimedia.de>:
// apologies for cross-posting
Hello!
A new type of preview will soon be part of the MediaWiki software: Reference Previews.[1] This feature shows you a reference in a small pop-up when you hover over the reference number in square brackets. This way, you can look up a reference without jumping down to the bottom of the page.
What’s more is that Reference Previews can offer a quicker way to evaluate the trustworthiness of the cited source by displaying the reference type (book, web, news, journal, note) in the pop-up’s header. Thus, they can help increase trust in the article itself. These types can be applied by using citation templates, or by manually entering a class into the ref tag.
Reference Previews will be combined with Page Previews[2], a feature showing previews for linked articles. Both perform essentially the same function: previewing content before deciding to dig deeper, and easily providing more information while reading. Because of their similarities in design and behavior, both Page Previews and Reference Previews will be controlled by a single user setting. This means, all users who currently have Page Previews activated, will also get Reference Previews. Also, all readers, anonymous contributors and new users will see Reference Previews per default if they haven’t disabled Page Previews.
On several wikis, the Navigation-Popups gadget and the Reference Tooltips gadget already offer previews for references. If you want to use them instead, you can: If you have one of these gadgets enabled, you’ll see them instead of Reference Previews. Although these gadgets exist, this feature was built into a MediaWiki extension in order to make it available for all Wikipedias, just as Page Previews is.
The original request for this came from the Technical Wishes survey on German Wikipedia in 2017, where it was the number 1 wish. The Technical Wishes team from Wikimedia Germany has been working on it in cooperation with the WMF’s Reading Web team. Reference Previews have been a beta feature for several months on all Wikipedias and some other wikis, with more than 830,000 beta testers. During the beta phase, lots of feedback was collected, and several changes were made as a result.[3] Now, we plan to deploy it to a first group of wikis as a default feature on March 17. We’re still looking for wikis who want to have the default feature early, so if you’re interested, please let us know! [4] [5]
More information about this feature, including frequently asked questions, can be found on its project page on Meta. [1] A big thanks to everyone who contributed to this development, by voting, testing, giving feedback or else. Comments and questions are welcome on this talk page. [4]
Best,
Johanna
[1] Reference Previews: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/ReferencePreviews [2] Page Previews: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_Previews [3] Changes during the beta phase: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/ReferencePreviews#Beta... [4] talk page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WMDE_Technical_Wishes/ReferencePreviews [5] Phab: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T271206
-- Johanna Strodt Project manager community communications Technical Wishes
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