Andre Engels wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Tim Starling wrote:
> > logged-in users, that way most edits go to a web server which is close
> > to the master DB.
> Would it not be better to keep the mirrors read-only, and have them redirect
> to the master for write-access? To have writing in several places causes
> significant overhead in avoiding edit conflicts and such.
There is a lot of hypothesis and discussion here. Have you considered
that there are some 40-60 page views for every single edit? What about
using some real statistics instead of guessing? (Just my hypothesis.)
Plus the tech discussion should be on wikitech-l, not wikipedia-l.
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics reports 40 views per
edit, as an average since July 2002. More recently, the English
Wikipedia has received:
Month Edits per month Page views views/edit
--------- --------------- ---------- ----------
July, 2003 212K 9.9M 46
Aug, 2003 248K 13.0M 52
Sept 1-24, 2003 227K 13.9M 61
As a comparison, the fast response time susning.nu wiki features 100
page views per edit. A faster Wikipedia would receive more page
views, probably 30M per month. The number of edits per month would
also increase, but perhaps not as much.
The Wikipedia statistics are spread out over too many places, and none
of these pages are wiki-editable, so I cannot add cross-reference
- Webalizer graphs, http://www.wikipedia.org/stats/
- Article count, http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics
- Erik Zachte's edit count, http://www.wikipedia.org/wikistats/
older version at http://members.chello.nl/epzachte/Wikipedia/Statistics/EN/Sitemap.htm
Lars Aronsson (lars(a)aronsson.se)
Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se/
Erik, - re: massive fundraising campaign.
Well, I'd be willing to donate a few hundred dollars. Where do I send
I originally applied to become a "Developer" because I hoped I might be
able to do something to speed up the response time. Unfortunately, I
haven't made the effort to wade through all the source code - and last
time I checked, there weren't any Requirements Document or Architectural
I've had quite a bit of experience with client-server programming, and
I've managed to get more speed out of various systems. It's often a
matter of using a profiling tool to identify bottlenecks.
How many hits an hour do we get during primetime?
When are the servers going to be upgraded? This is
holding up distribution of the press release (we've
already hit the 300,000 figure) since the downtime
associated with the upgrade is not something we want
to present potential news users or donators to. It
would also be nice for them to have responsive page
load times. Either way I would still like to delay the
English press release distribution one week after
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I wanted to add search of National library of Serbia (http://www.nbs.bg.ac.yu)
to Special:Booksources, but it needs unique ID for every search. I could make
a PHP script that would go around this, would it be included in Wikipedia?
I am posting this here (as opposed to sourceforge) since this idea needs
some discussion, etc.
I often think that viewing the latest version of the page after just editing
it is not necessary.
When I press "Save" button, all I need is the message that "data is now
saved," not the whole article/ page.
So it would be nice to have that option in one way or another. It could be
either a user option or
two save buttons with the edit box. Or "data is now saved" is the default,
and there is a link to the
page just edited. (The last option is similar to the way login proceeds. You
get a link to the previously visited page after logging in successfully.)
And I am speculating that if the page is not displayed after saving, it
would save some server load.
Even if I am wrong here, I don't have to wait for a page to load. So I can
save some time.
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I have enabled numbered headings but I think this should be bypassed
when the heading is just a single letter (used quite a lot in
alphabetical lists) as it looks quite strange. See
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases if you have headers
enabled to see what I mean.
Actually, perhaps it would be better to put a colon between the number
and header. "6: F" instead of "6 F", which looks like a school class
Mav asked, "When are the servers going to be upgraded?"
To which I say:
Yeah, I just failed to recruit a published author last month, because
response time was so slow that she said, "I think that website is down."
Any way of keeping response time under 10 seconds consistently?