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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Offline-l] How important is ZIM support in Collections?
by Thomas PT 13 Nov '13

13 Nov '13

Quantitative feedback for Wsexport un October: http://wsexport.wmflabs.org/tool/stat.php?month=10&year=2013 Le 13 nov. 2013 10:59, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> a écrit : Erik Moeller, 13/11/2013 06:51: > We're re-implementing the rendering pipeline for Collections to ensure > long-term maintainability, and our default would be to eliminate > initially all formats except for PDF if we don't absolutely have to > support them. I'll see if we can get some metrics on current ZIM file > usage via the Collection extension, but it'd be nice to get > qualitative feedback as well. > > (More background at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PDF_rendering ) All including ePub (cc Wikisource-l). Nemo _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Offline-l] How important is ZIM support in Collections?
by Federico Leva (Nemo) 13 Nov '13

13 Nov '13

Erik Moeller, 13/11/2013 06:51: > We're re-implementing the rendering pipeline for Collections to ensure > long-term maintainability, and our default would be to eliminate > initially all formats except for PDF if we don't absolutely have to > support them. I'll see if we can get some metrics on current ZIM file > usage via the Collection extension, but it'd be nice to get > qualitative feedback as well. > > (More background at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PDF_rendering ) All including ePub (cc Wikisource-l). Nemo

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Mailing list administrator
by Andrea Zanni 12 Nov '13

12 Nov '13

Hi all. I would like to raise the issue that this mailing list *seems* not to have active administrators/moderators. As per suggestion of Asaf, I asked zhaladsar (who seems to be the only admiin) several times (in these months) to be co-administrator. He never replied. Also, some users seem to have problems too (es https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aubrey#Wikisource_User_Group) How can we solve this? I'd like to be an admin of the list, I don't know * if you are OK with it * how to do this (maybe a bug in bugzilla?) Aubrey

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: Wikisource 10th aniversary proposal : Proofreading contest
by Andrea Zanni 11 Nov '13

11 Nov '13

> Hi David, > > A couple of thoughts on this, based on Kerry Raymond's earlier post to the > WMAU list:- > > 1. What is the purpose of this competition, other than to celebrate the > 10th anniversary? Is it to attract new users? Is it to get some key works > transcribed very quickly? Is it to distribute movement-funded prizes to > long-term contributors? The purpose of the competition will drive how it > is structured. > > 2. As has been pointed out, an e-Reader, at least in Australia (and > probably most other developed English speaking countries) is not all that > impressive a prize, especially if you already have one or don't have an > interest in having an e-Reader. I think a slightly better prize would be a > gift certificate to somewhere like Amazon or Fishpond, so at least the > winner can choose something they know they'll like. This may be different > in other countries, of course. > > 3. A point-based system like what you propose is easy enough to > administer, but if the approach is to attract new users, they'll probably > notice that anyone that doesn't get in within the first couple of days is > probably at a massive disadvantage to getting the prize. In turn, this > will make the motivational aspect of the prize disappear for anyone that > comes late. If we're counting on the prize to get users to do some work, I > think we'd be disappointed. This can be solved a bit by having a prize > pool that can be broken into smaller pieces, so rather than a $100 e-Reader > you can distribute a $20 voucher every day (for example). This would mean > that those who arrive late still have a chance of getting something. > > 4. My experience with running competitions like this is that if you > approach it with a "build it and they will come" mindset, the only entrants > you'll get are people who are already contributing in that fashion anyway. > There needs to be some hook to get people who have not previously heard of > or contributed to Wikisource to contribute. Otherwise they're never going > to hear about it and we're never going to get our new users. Is there some > mechanism to advertise this widely beyond just existing Wikisource users? > > 5. WMAU's experience with the "Pitch In!" project, where we did have the > support of a major public institution as a hook to get those new users in, > is that it's actually quite hard to get new users to Wikisource to 'stick'. > I think we can expect a lot of users to do a single page, and a lot of new > users to vanish once the contest is over. If recruitment is the goal, then > there needs to be a strategy to continue engaging with users who arrive for > the competition so that we retain them. > > I don't want to be the one that pours cold water on the whole idea (I do > think it'd be wonderful to do *something* for the 10th anniversary), but > I'm not clear on what we're actually trying to achieve with this > competition. > > Cheers, > Craig Franklin > > Hi Craig, thanks for the suggestions. Our idea is that, right now, every community can organize the constest as it will. The main problem is that there is one interested user for community, in this ml :-), so it is hard enough to make the contest happen, let alone make a very good and succesful one. In this regard, I'm more perfect is the enemy of the good: our people resource are scarce, so if there is a little contest with a little prize, I'm happy :-) Your points, especially 3 and 4, are really good insights and I'll take them in the Italian Village Pump. I would say that the sitenotice is a good place to promote and advertise the contest. It.wikisource also has a "window" on the Wikipedia main page, and we can put it there too. Moreover, we have access to Facebook and Twitter wikimedia pages, so we can boost it on those. If someone of you is willing to write a blogpost in the Wikimedia blog, both for the Wikisource Community User Group and the Wikisource contest, is welcome to :-) Aubrey > > > > On 7 November 2013 09:40, David Cuenca <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Since this is the first time we do it and we don't have enough >> organizational capacity, it will be easier to hold independent contests. >> >> For the Catalan edition we are planning to do as follows: >> - the contest will be open from Nov 24th 00 UTC till Dec 1st 23:59 UTC. >> - 2 organizers select 3 books in secret (more will be added if needed). >> The books have OCR of acceptable quality and they are not too hard to >> format. The books chosen will be disclosed when the contest begins. One >> sample page will be offered, plus links to relevant help pages. We are >> putting it all together here: >> https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/Viquitexts:Viquirepte_10%C3%A8_aniversari >> - the participants get 3 points for each completely corrected and >> formatted page, if they validate someone else's page, they get 1 point >> - the organizers can disqualify a participant if they mark pages as done >> without actually working on them >> - the prize will be an ebook reader (model TBD) >> >> KRLS has told me that he will try to have a counting script ready, if >> not, we will count it manually. >> >> So how many contests are we going to have? Italian, Catalan and, maybe >> WM-DC or WM-AU organize the English version? >> >> When everything is clear we should prepare an annoncement and publish it >> next week on the Wikimedia blog. >> >> Cheers, >> Micru >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Regarding the cotest: >>> how do you like an international contest, with both local wikisource and >>> single user chart? >>> >>> Something like Wiki Loves Monuments, like this: >>> https://toolserver.org/~emijrp/wlm/stats.php >>> >>> The real problem is that we *don't* have a way (right now), to associate >>> clearly proofredings and validation with single users. >>> I don't know how phe's tools count them, but I'm sure something could be >>> done. >>> toolserver.org/~phe/statistics.php?diff=1 >>> >>> Aubrey >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Craig Franklin < >>> cfranklin(a)halonetwork.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, that would be well within the realm of what the WMAU "Volunteer >>>> Support Programme" would be able to fund, if one of our members were to >>>> apply: >>>> >>>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Volunteer_Support_Programme >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4 November 2013 22:18, Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, I'd be 100 dollars/euros, something low budget (like a Kindle or >>>>> a Kobo). >>>>> >>>>> Aubrey >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Craig Franklin < >>>>> cfranklin(a)halonetwork.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>> >>>>>> What sort of cost are we looking at to buy some nifty gadget as a >>>>>> prize? Is it something that could be done through our Volunteer Support >>>>>> Programme? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Craig Franklin >>>>>> President - Wikimedia Australia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1 November 2013 16:55, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Great concept. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think this would a great little project, and worth the expense for >>>>>>> the WMAu chapter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I helped run a small wikisource competition with Wikimedia Indonesia >>>>>>> (esp. Ivonne & Siska) to transcribe a 550 page dictionary, and found it to >>>>>>> be very successful, but does require quite a bit of time to run and help >>>>>>> newbies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ill write up a proposal if another WMAu member is willing to second >>>>>>> and help organise the competition in Oz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: "David Cuenca" <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> Date: Oct 31, 2013 10:09 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource 10th aniversary proposal : >>>>>>> Proofreading contest >>>>>>> To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" < >>>>>>> wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> >>>>>>> Cc: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Talking with some members of Amical Wikimedia about how to celebrate >>>>>>> the 10th aniversary, one of the proposals was to organize a proofreading >>>>>>> contest. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Basically, we would select some books for the participants to >>>>>>> proofread and validate and they would gather points for each page without >>>>>>> errors. The person with the most points would win a Kindle donated by >>>>>>> Amical Wikimedia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, we have been thinking that with the help of some members of >>>>>>> the Wikisource User Group and other Chapters, then we could escalate it to >>>>>>> an international proofreading contest, instead of being just regional. I >>>>>>> guess ideally we would need 3 kindles and at least a volunteer from each >>>>>>> community to organize it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you think of the idea? Would you or any chapter that would >>>>>>> like to get involved? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Micru >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>> Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Etiamsi omnes, ego non >> > > > > > -- > Etiamsi omnes, ego non >

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Wikisource 10th aniversary proposal : Proofreading contest
by David Cuenca 07 Nov '13

07 Nov '13

Talking with some members of Amical Wikimedia about how to celebrate the 10th aniversary, one of the proposals was to organize a proofreading contest. Basically, we would select some books for the participants to proofread and validate and they would gather points for each page without errors. The person with the most points would win a Kindle donated by Amical Wikimedia. However, we have been thinking that with the help of some members of the Wikisource User Group and other Chapters, then we could escalate it to an international proofreading contest, instead of being just regional. I guess ideally we would need 3 kindles and at least a volunteer from each community to organize it. What do you think of the idea? Would you or any chapter that would like to get involved? Micru

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource
by David Cuenca 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de>wrote: > MediaWiki used to handle this inconsistently: multiple links for the same > language where shown in the sidebar, but not recorded in the database. This > inconsistency was fixed a few months ago - now, only one link per page can > exist. I suppose that's why the template no longer works. > Someone's bug is someone else's feature... Anyhow, on fr-ws they already have a custom menu on the left to link with other wikimedia projects ("Compléments") which is loaded by: https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js Example: https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Victor_Hugo If you want to add a similar menu for editions then it should be compatible with: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DoubleWiki I'm not suggesting to always great a work *page* on wikisource, even if > there is > only one edition in that language. I'm saying that there should always be > an > *item* for the work on wikidata, even if there is only an item for one > edition. > Sorry, I misunderstood you. Yes, I agree it makes sense to create an item for the work on wikidata. Micru

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource
by David Cuenca 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de>wrote: > However, MediaWiki only supports one link per target site in the sidebar. > > Maybe an on-page navigation box could be used instead of "proper" language > links? > > With the help of JavaScript, the contents of that nav box could then be > moved > into the sidebar. That's a bit hackish, but would work ok, I think. > On English Wikisource they were using this template to allow more than one link per language: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Interwiki-info However it seems that is not working now on this page (the interwiki list should be much larger according to the wikitext): https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Raven_%28Poe%29 > > I think it would be a good idea to always have that, for consistency and > structural integrity. > It makes sense to create "work pages" for works with several editions in a given language (5-10% depending on language) since it is the equivalent of having a desambiguation page, but having a big number of "work pages" on Wikisource for works that only have one edition might be detrimental for the user experience, unless they are redirects. How far is the development of using redirect pages as sitelinks? --Micru

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource
by David Cuenca 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

Yes, that would be it: one work-item (acting as hub), x edition items connected to the work-item, each edition-item connected to its corresponding Wikisource page with a sitelink and, on Wikisource, an auto-generated nav bar that lists all sitelinks from all edition-items on the left (equivalent to the current interwiki link list). If there is more than one edition per language "author citation (P835)" or "author (P50)" value can be shown next to the language name. For connecting works with editions we already have "edition (P747)" and "edition of (P629)". On Wikisource I don't think it is necessary to have always a "work page", this only happens when there is more than one edition for any given language. The most important part is to automate the creation of a work-item on Wikidata whenever is needed to link one edition to another (same or different languages) and, of course, show the generated nav bar on all edition pages . Wikipedia(s) will be connected to the work-items as usual. "Template:Infobox book" needs some work to be able to show work- and edition-item data. I have started a proposal for this task as a possible Code-In, but maybe the second part needs arbitrary item access. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Code-In#Lua_templates --Micru On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de>wrote: > This sounds feasible, yes. > > If I understand correctly, you want one item for each work (or work > expression?), and one for each edition of that work. The editions would > link > back to the work with a is-edition-of property (or the other way around: > the > work item would have an "editions" statement for each edition; I prefer the > former in principle, but must advise you to go with the latter initially - > that > way it will work without queries). > > On wikisource, there would be a page about the work, which the work-item > would > have a sitelink to. On that wiki page, you would use lua to list all the > editions. Each edition-item may in turn have a sitelink to a wikisource > page > about that edition (right?) and you want to use these to automatically > generate > a navigation bar. > > Yes, that should work with what we have available in Lua already. > > -- daniel > > Am 04.11.2013 16:59, schrieb David Cuenca: > > Actually a query or Lua would be much better solution for Wikisource > instead of > > sitelinks (well, author pages can have sitelinks that is no problem). > > > > According to the data model that we have been defining for Wikisource > [1] there > > should be a top-level item (work item) representing all the editions > that a text > > has, then there should be sub-items for each edition (example of a book > with > > several translations [2]). Each one of those sub-items is the one that > should be > > connected with a "sitelink", although there will be only of them per > item. > > > > Ideally, the script or the query should examine which items are > connected with > > the property pair "edition/edition of", collect the sitelink of each > language > > and list them all for each one of them. > > > > Is that factible? > > > > Cheers, > > Micru > > > > > > [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Books_task_force > > [2] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6911 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikidata-l mailing list > > Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non

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archive.org switched to ABBYY FineReader 9.0
by Federico Leva (Nemo) 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

As you know, many of us use archive.org to OCR their books: <https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Help:DjVu_files#The_Internet_Archive> For a while, they've been stuck with FineReader 8.0. I've just noticed the last OCR processes use 9.0, which has 5 more languages and 2 more dictionaries: http://www.abbyy.com/support/finereader_90_ts/RecognitionLanguages/ http://www.abbyy.com/support/finereader_80_ts/RecognitionLanguages/ I think it's worth re-doing OCR on any archive.org DjVu you're using (and you definitely must do so if it's one of those languages). I'm a (limited) admin there, so feel free to give me on my talk lists of items where to update OCR: https://wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Nemo_bis Nemo

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource
by David Cuenca 05 Nov '13

05 Nov '13

Excellent news! :) For the author pages it is quite straight-forward. For the bibliographic metadata the easiest would be to connect wikidata items with the "Book:" page generated by the (planned) Book Manager extension. The "Book:" page is supposed to provide the book structure and act as a metadata hub for both books with scans (those with Index: page) and books without scans (there was no solution for those yet) Project page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Book_management Bugzilla page: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15071 Example: http://tools.wmflabs.org/bookmanagerv2/mediawiki/index.php?title=Book:The_I… Problem, the extension is not finished yet and neither Molly nor Raylton have time to keep working on it. Some bugs are still open and the fields in the template would need to be maped to Wikidata properties. All this is not relevant for phase 1 (if it is done only for books), but it will become relevant for phase 2. Is there anyone that could volunteer as an OPW mentor to help a potential student to finish this project? Cheers, Micru On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > The next sister project to get language links via Wikidata is > Wikisource. We're currently planning this for January 13. > The coordination is happening at > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikisource On this page we're > also looking for ambassadors to help spread the messages to the > different language editions of Wikisource. Please help if you can. > > > Cheers > Lydia > > -- > Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher > Product Manager for Wikidata > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. > Obentrautstr. 72 > 10963 Berlin > www.wikimedia.de > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. > > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg > unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das > Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non

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