It seems like every six months or so I end exposing my
frustration about the lack of attention our requests
get from developers on foundation-l. In one month we
will have been waiting for feedback on the LST patch a
full half-year. So I thought to compile all the tips
I have been given on getting features for Wikisource
in one email to see if anyone else has other
suggestions we have not tried.
The only suggestion I have gotten from the recent
foundation-l thread is to include implementation of an
extension in the development. I really don't
understand what is meant by that.
Six months back I was given the following suggestions
on development issues:
*be certain requests fit with the interests and
priorities of the group that would actually effect it
( I think this is not an issue with the Wikisource
requests)
*get someone writing code to think the requests are
useful and/or neat
(Mixed success)
*convince developer the feature *is actually
desirable*.
(We have really failed here. Even when we have gotten
editors from nearly all the active languages to
announce their support for a request in one place with
none opposing, I have been told by a developer that he
thought "there is open debate about whether this is a
desirable feature" I suggest this be read as
"convince Wikipedia editors to tell developers a
feature is actually desirable.")
*occasionally throw in a casual request for the status
of your latest (least) favourite bug.
(Mixed success)
*See if you can get someone to write a toolserver tool
that performs more or less the same function as
MediaWiki should. This has been a remarkably
successful approach at Commons, although we'd prefer
the MW solution of course.
( This really hasn't been tried. I personally don't
think Toolserver is capable of what we want in our
requests, but I am really not certain what it *is*
capable of.)
*you may want to learn PHP and the MediaWiki
codebase...
( Well not an option for me personally, but Thomas V
has gotten many things done by coding them himself )
An idea of my own, is to work at convincing the German
chapter that a feature is important as they have
employed developers. This hasn't been tried as far as
I know.
I would point out progress has made been on features
in the last six months. Thomas V has done great work
with Proofread Page extension, another addition to his
impressive resume of Wikisoure solutions. And I
especially want to say how much I appreciate the work
of Steve Sanbeg, who as a new Wikisoure contributer,
has gotten LST to be a workable extension instead of
just vague concept. I met Steve at Wikimania in
Boston and he shortly thereafter got to work on coding
LST. He also has some great ideas for using bots to
take on the next step in the en.WS Bible project after
LST is installed. So if anyone is able to attend
Wikimania this year, please recruit developers!
Birgitte SB
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I wonder what the folks on Wikisource and Wikibooks think about this
proposition .. I haven't received any feedback on it on foundation-l.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Erik Moeller <erik(a)wikimedia.org>
Date: Apr 27, 2007 3:13 PM
Subject: Proposal: LiteratePrograms.org as Wikimedia Project
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
I would like to propose (as a community member) that
http://en.literateprograms.org/
be merged into the Wikimedia Foundation family of projects. I have
spoken with the founder of LiteratePrograms, Derrick Coetzee, and he
would agree to such a merger.
LP documents computer program source code with in-line explanations
beyond simple source comments. Using a special extension, all code
belonging to an example program can be downloaded as a package with
ease. It is, in my opinion, ideally positioned to become a wonderful
learning resource for budding programmers in any programming language.
The structure of LP is fundamentally different from any existing
Wikimedia project. Yet, it is an educational project with great value.
LP currently uses the MIT/X11 license, which is similar to CC-BY, but
more suitable for source code; I believe this makes sense as these
snippets are typically so small that they should not be encumbered
further with copyleft.
WMF would be able to give the project sustainable hosting and exposure
to a vast community. What do you think? If there is no consensus, I'd
be willing to organize a community poll as we did for other projects,
but I really see very little that speaks against LP becoming part of
the WMF project family.
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Bonjour,
Ayant trouvé une bibliothèque qui « prêtent » des livres électroniques
du domaine public (et d'autres) pour 3 semaines, je me suis permis de
leur envoyer le message ci-dessous. Le comble du ridicule est qu'ils
n'ont « que 3 exemplaires » de chaque livre. Je me demande s'il faut
rire ou pleurer. Évidemment, ils diront que les livres électroniques
n'intéressent personne, puisque personne ne leur en empruntent...
http://www.numilog.com/bibliotheque/bmlisieux/catalogue.asp?theme=19&FID=&A…
Yann
Bonjour,
J'ai noté que dans la collection "Classiques" vous avez 261 livres
électroniques disponibles en 3 exemplaires chacun pour trois semaines
par personne.
Je souhaiterais vous signaler notre bibliothèque électronique (
Wikisource : http://fr.wikisource.org ) où vous pourrez trouver
gratuitement environ 3500 livres disponibles, chacun en nombre illimité,
et pour une durée de prêt également illimitée.
Vous pouvez également copier ces livres dans votre bibliothèque, étant
donné qu'ils sont dans le domaine public.
Sincères salutations,
Yann Forget
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Hello,
I have been recently asked to install the
ProofreadPage on the latin wikisource.
Currently this extension is installed on fr, en and pt.
However, it never worked on pt because the 'Pagina'
namespace is not recognized by the extension code.
In order to fix this code, it would be better to use the
namespace number. For that it is necessary to use a
consistent number across wikis. Currently the Page
namespace uses number 104 on fr and en. However it
uses number 106 on pt, which will need to be changed.
so, if you request the creation of a "page" namespace on
another subdomain, please request it to use the namespace
number 104.
Thomas
Hello All,
I wanted to propose a meeting for English Wikisourcers, to be held on IRC.
Are people interested? There are a lot of ideas out there, and it would be good
if we could coordinate our efforts and get some good things out there, while
attracting more people to help.
Danny
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I would like to remind those of you who are bloggers to consider
joining Planet Wikimedia, which has grown nicely in recent weeks:
http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/
(Polish also active, German about to go live)
It shows recent wiki-tagged posts from Wikimedians on one page. You
can add your blog by putting a request for inclusion on:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet_Wikimedia
Included blogs should tag their wiki-related posts, or be exclusively
about the topic. This policy has made Planet Wikimedia, in my opinion,
highly on topic and useful, and I would love to see it scale to
hundreds of blogs eventually. Hence, no exceptions. ;-)
For those of you from smaller projects: Think of this as an excellent
opportunity to promote the best work your project is doing, to get new
people excited about it. As an example of this principle, take a look
what some English Wikinewsies are doing in the "Original Reporting"
group blog: http://wikinewsreports.blogspot.com/
If you don't have a blog yet, you can set one up easily, e.g. at:
http://wordpress.com/ or http://blogger.com
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Peace & Love,
Erik
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I'm (re)sending this to lots of lists -- people, we need more
submissions! Please be bold in sending us your papers -- we'd love to
see you in Taiwan this year. :-)
Please forward to other relevant lists as well! See
http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_Participation/distribution
for the ones we've already covered.
Erik
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Hello,
Mark Williamson wrote:
> There was some debate about this regarding Ancient Greek.
>
> Should Ancient Greek texts be put on the Greek Wikisource, since the
> interface is by default in Modern Greek, which will be difficutl to
> understand for some people looking for texts in Ancient Greek? Should
> it have its own Wikisource with an interface in Ancient Greek?
>
> Nobody suggested housing it at Oldwikisource... but I for one was in
> favor of having a new Wikisource with an interface in Ancient Greek.
>
> Mark
The issue is not the language of the interface. You can change the
language of the interface anyway once you are logged in.
The issue is "Are there enough contributors to manage an independant
subdomain?" If the subdomain is plagued with spams and crap because
people don't care to survey and clean it when needed, it is better not
to create it. If there are regular contributors willing to manage to
subdomain, then fine, create it.
Regards,
Yann
> On 05/04/07, Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net> wrote:
>> Yann Forget wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 4/2/07, *Birgitte SB* wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Due to past conversations I have had with people
>>>> involved with incubator, I read the comment about
>>>> "merging processes" differently than you did. Perhaps
>>>> I am mistaken, and that is not what was meant in this
>>>> case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> This clearly shows the misunderstanding of what Wikisource is and what
>>> [[:oldwikisource:]] is meant for.
>>>
>>> Although some Wikipedias will remain small for a long time because of
>>> lack of contributors, some Wikisources will never get more than a few
>>> dozen or hundreds of pages, simply because the original content in that
>>> language doesn't exist. Another example is Sanskrit (a bit more than
>>> 1700 pages) which could qualify to have its own subdomain because of the
>>> amount of content, but does not because of lack of contributors.
>>> Although we could dream to have the whole of Shakespeare and Victor Hugo
>>> translated in Sanskrit, the quantity of existing Sanskrit texts will
>>> never be more than a few thousand pages. For some other languages, it
>>> will ever be much less, so creating and *maintaining* a wiki for only a
>>> few pages is quite a waste of work and time. That's why
>>> [[:oldwikisource:]] exists and will continue to do so. In that sense,
>>> this interwiki name is also badly chosen.
>>>
>> Of course the fundamental difference is that a Wikipedia is there for
>> the benefit of those who currently write in and work in that language.
>> A Wikisource contains texts in its language even if it is a dead
>> language. Old English texts do not need a complete interface in Old
>> English.
>>
>> Ec
--- Luiz Augusto <lugusto(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/2/07, Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb(a)yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I also agree with this, and see no need to merge
> the
> > process into Incubator.
> >
> > Birgitte SB
>
>
> Sorry, but I don't see anyone trying to move text
> units from the
> [[:oldwikisource:]] to the [[:incubator:]]. I think
> that [[:oldwikisource:]]
> is working as a great place for texts with no
> sufficient users to make a new
> community getting hosted *and* a Incubator-like for
> new Wikisource wikis and
> no one (neither I) is trying to change it.
>
> I have proposed at
>
http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#Wikisource:Language_domai…
> move the *requests* for new Wikisources to the
> Meta-Wiki, due to the
> current delay to open any new wikis using a simple
> vote. I'm dejected to see
> someone requesting to open a new wiki since the July
> 2006 and up today
> voting on it [1], awainting to start to work on a
> specific wiki.
>
> [1]
Due to past conversations I have had with people
involved with incubator, I read the comment about
"merging processes" differently than you did. Perhaps
I am mistaken, and that is not what was meant in this
case.
However there are people who have been clear with me
that they think [[:oldwikisource:]] should be
completely merged into [[:incubator:]] in the long
term. Personally I don't like to see the process of
starting new Wikisources taken over, because outside
people simply fail to appreciate the reality of
wikiSOURCE, where the content already exists in
tangible form (with corresponding dialects and
orthographies already pre-determined for each edition
of a text). Processing requests at meta has led to
people being encouraged to start a new wikisource for
a variation of a language without ever trying to work
in the existing wiki (or even talking to them). [1]
The people I have spoken to from incubator also seem
unable to see the intrinsic differences between a
wikisource and a wikipedia. From what I can see they
are planning a one-size fits all process, with no
differences in handling based on projects. Despite
the fact that there are strong arguments for having
one Wikisource where there are several Wikipedias with
related languages. If plans have changed, or I am
simply mistaken, please correct me.
[1]
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Anci…
The full page seems to have been lost on meta, so I
linked one of my contributioins there
Birgitte SB
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