Hi all,
There's been some discussion at
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource_talk:WikiProject_Social_media#Twi…
about the @wikisource Twitter account (and others).
I've just been made a team member of @wikisource, and we should add some
more people too.
The idea is that @wikisource is the cross-Wikisource account, and each
language Wikisource can also have its own account (e.g. @wikisource_fr
@wikisource_de, etc. here's a list I started this morning:
https://twitter.com/wikisource/lists/wikisources/members are there any
others?)
So, who wants to be added, and what are your Twitter usernames?
We'll also have @wikisource_en later today or tomorrow; same deal.
The passwords for these accounts are held by Aubrie Johnson, the WMF
social media person.
Thanks,
Sam.
Hi Anne,
Thank you for the confirmation.
I've got a question both for you and for the wikisourcerers, do we want and
should we keep using WSexport or should we try to integrate WSexport
functionalities into more general tool? (for the second option, we need to
exchange about our specific needs and desires).
My point of view is that we are quite happy with WSexport right now so we
could say « if it ain't broken don't fix it » but on the other hand the
maintain a specific tool tailored for our specifities but it could be
useful for others and there is always the risk that nobody maintain it
anymore (a more general tool generally - but not always - having more
chances of being maintain).
I'd like to hear you point of view and the point of view of people
maintaining WSexport (mainly our beloved wikisourcerer supreme Tpt ;) )
Cdlt, ~nicolas
Anne Gomez, 11/10/2017 02:12:
> In case you're interested, the Foundation will be working to replace OCG
> over the coming months. I wanted to make sure you're aware in case you
> rely on any of this infrastructure and/or have plans for further
> development dependent on it.
>
> What this means in the short term is that PDF book rendering (through
> Book Creator) will be shut off for a few months at least while a
> suitable replacement is researched, tested, and built.
>
> Here's the full write up:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/PDF_Functionality
>
> Let me know if you have any questions or if this has major impact to
> your work.
It does, of course. Wikisource and Wikibooks users sorely need to print
books for offline reading, it's something we keep hearing from anybody
in "real life".
Removing basic functionality and downgrading existing features for no
gain is an excellent long-run method to kill projects like Wikibooks,
Wikisource and Wikiversity whose potential users (such as teachers and
other OER folks) may prefer alternative platforms which show more care.
Nemo
Hi everyone,
>From January to April of this year, we had hangout session to talk more
directly about Wikisource (see
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group#2017 for
the notes of these sessions).
Among subjects that can be discuss:
- Wikisource and Wikidata (and some infos about the WikidataCon in Berlin
last weekend)
- a second Wikisource conference in 2018 ?
- various issues or accomplishments you want to share or need help from
others
- the Wikisource Community User Group
What do you think of doing this again? Who would be interested to join? (it
was during week-end - Saturday or Sunday - afternoon to allow people from
all other the globe to join in, I suggest Saturday 4 from 14:00 UTC to
15:00 UTC
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=November+Wikisour…
).
Cdlt, ~nicolas
I've just been experimenting with adding a quick-statements generator to
https://tools.wmflabs.org/ws-search — search for something, with 'linked
to wikidata = no', and then each row of the results has a popup with
code you can copy and paste into quickstatements.
I don't know if that sort of thing is useful. It's not working with many
fields yet, but I'm finding it faster than entering the basics manually.
—sam.
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To: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
Sent: 24/10/2017 11:48:51 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017
Gerard,
Then ... what would be valuable is a tool that can change the interwiki
badge. At the moment, there are no tools that enable us to be able to
change a work from not proofread, to proofread, to validated. We know
the status of each work at the respective Wikisource through the Index:
ns page, so we should be able to botify pushing that status through to
the interwiki. There was a technical inability that prevented it being
done from memory. and I have a ticket there somewhere in the phabricator
morass for Wikidata.
For example enW validated works are at
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:PagesWithBadges?badge=Q20748093
[I know that I have incrementally changing flags for the works that I
have done, but as a manual process it just takes time. ]
Taking the validated and proofread works (from Index namespace at enWS)
would give you 4000 works. Once that is done, we can then also start
pulling that data back to the wikis, and with good templating we can
then look utilise that on Author pages.
Regards, Billinghurst
------ Original Message ------
From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
To: "billinghurst" <billinghurstwiki(a)gmail.com>; "discussion list for
Wikisource, the free library" <wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: 23/10/2017 10:48:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017
>Hoi,
>A Wikipedia matra is be bold and another is that things are a work in
>progress. In my opinion, what we need is the name of a book, its author
>and the fact that people can read it. All the other stuff like what
>"version" is a particular book pales in comparison. We should not let
>the quest for perfection be the enemy of the good.
>
>Also Archive.org and Open Library are two different entities. Both the
>Open Library and the Internet Archive have their own identifiers for
>authors and they are not necessarily linked. We are talking about books
>from the Open Library and they are available as an E-book or a PDF.
>
>My problem is not with Open Library, my problem is that we do not know
>what is available from Wikisource as a finished good ready for reading.
>In the end what we advertise is the author the book, versions are
>secondary.
>Thanks,
> GerardM
>
>On 23 October 2017 at 12:36, billinghurst <billinghurstwiki(a)gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>Hi Nicolas,
>>
>>Still my biggest issues/hurdles for good data are
>>capture of information from WS to WD — it just is hard work, WEF tool
>>is still not sufficiently alignedthe ever problematic inability to
>>link WP book to WS edition through Wikidatathat cannot capture
>>information for Wikidata at archive.org, and relate that through to
>>the file at Commons, and then the edition at Wikisource (or pick
>>another starting point and interrelate0the inability to create an
>>edition from a book/work, the inability to create a work from an
>>edition
>>Maybe you can even ask what we need to improve to get bots to run
>>through and autocapture, is our meta-data in headers not suitable?
>>What is it that is problematic?
>>
>>Thanks for asking.
>>
>>-- billinghurst (being so remote for the action <sigh>)
>>
>>
>>------ Original Message ------
>>From: "Nicolas VIGNERON" <vigneron.nicolas(a)gmail.com>
>>To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library"
>><wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>><mailto:wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
>>Sent: 23/10/2017 7:30:44 PM
>>Subject: [Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>For information, the WikidataCon is this week-end in Berlin. While
>>>there is no talk nominatively around Wikisource, there is some
>>>intervention on relation subjects (inventaire.io, WikiCite, German
>>>National Library, FRBR, and so on).
>>>
>>>The event is sold out, but you can follow remotely some of the
>>>presentation (link will be added here :
>>>https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Program/Remote
>>><https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Program/Remote>
>>>).
>>>
>>>I'll be there and I'll be happy to talk about Wikisource, who else
>>>will be there?
>>>
>>>Cdlt, ~nicolas
>>
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>>
>
If it's ok for you, today I will endorse the new Wikimedia strategy[1]
on behalf of the Wikisource Community User Group.
I participated in the early drafting of the strategy (until May-June), but
later on unfortunately I didn't follow it closely.
I think the new strategy is open enough to be include a lot of what we do
in Wikisource, and I hope that this will lead to increased support from
Wikimedia Foundation and Chapters to our project.
Aubrey
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction#…
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From: "billinghurst" <billinghurstwiki(a)gmail.com>
To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library"
<wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: 12/10/2017 6:21:28 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?
The validation flag for wikisource on wikidata is a manual switch, and
none of the available external tools/toys are able to tweak it at this
point of time.
-- billinghurst
------ Original Message ------
From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library"
<wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: 12/10/2017 5:14:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?
>Hoi,
>What does it take to get the validation-status in Wikidata. If anything
>it is the most important attribute. Knowing what people can read trumps
>everything.
>Thanks,
> GerardM
>
>On 12 October 2017 at 07:22, Sam Wilson <sam(a)samwilson.id.au> wrote:
>>Nope. The validation-status data is unlikely to ever be in Wikidata.
>>The tool below gets this information from category-membership of Index
>>pages.
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 12 Oct 2017, at 01:18 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>Hoi,
>>>Is there a query in Wikidata for all the validated and complete books
>>>in Wikisource?
>>>Thanks,
>>> GerardM
>>>
>>>On 12 October 2017 at 06:14, Sam Wilson <sam(a)samwilson.id.au> wrote:
>>>> > No validated works found for ko
>>>>
>>>>The ws-cat-browser is saying it can't find any validated and
>>>>categorized
>>>>mainspace works on kowikisource.
>>>>
>>>>Is this correct? Is there any meant to be anything in the
>>>>validated-index category?
>>>>https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%B6%84%EB%A5%98:%EA%B2%80%EC%A6%9D%EB%90%…
>>>><https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%B6%84%EB%A5%98:%EA%B2%80%EC%A6%9D%EB%90%…>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Sam.
>>>>
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Hi all,
For information, the WikidataCon is this week-end in Berlin. While there is
no talk nominatively around Wikisource, there is some intervention on
relation subjects (inventaire.io, WikiCite, German National Library, FRBR,
and so on).
The event is sold out, but you can follow remotely some of the presentation
(link will be added here :
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Program/Remote ).
I'll be there and I'll be happy to talk about Wikisource, who else will be
there?
Cdlt, ~nicolas
Here:
Pagina:D'Ayala_-_Dizionario_militare_francese_italiano.djvu/46
<https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Pagina:D%27Ayala_-_Dizionario_militare_franc…>
and immediately previous and following pages both the text and some
formatting from Internet Archive file bub_gb_lvzoCyRdzsoC_abbyy.gz
<https://archive.org/download/bub_gb_lvzoCyRdzsoC/bub_gb_lvzoCyRdzsoC_abbyy.…>
(in
previous pages only some templates have been added and a little bit of
regex manipulation has be done)
Internet Archive _abbyy.gz files are gzipped, enormous xml files where any
detail of FineReader OCR output is exported - but, even if enormous and
terribly complex, they can be parsed and any detail (a little bit
painfully...) can be used; presently, only bold, italic, smallcaps and
paragraphs have been explored, translated into wiki code by a prettily
simple python code.
Alex